today was just sad & sick, what the world must think of us

[mopaul]

i've never seen any sick shit like what went down today. we stepped back as a nation about 2 or 3 hundred years, showing the mutilated bodies of our so called enemies on prime time to justify our lust for land and oil and power. we are a sick, sick nation, and in the eyes of the world we must look extremely barbaric and medieval. and our president seemed absolutey stimulated and goulishly happy to make reference to the deaths of these two arab men. our justification was seemingly to prove that the two were really dead, and the word on the streets of the arab cities is that the whole thing was faked. meanwhile, the arab nations looks upon us with a new hatred never before witnessed. our nation has been shattered in two short years and we are on the very deliberate brink of armageddon.

it's reaching the crisis level now ladies and gentlemen. these men without souls or remorse are dragging us all down into hell with them, and they will not suffer being questioned or stopped in their designs. these are not the type of men who will be reasoned with, these are the type of men WHO MUST BE STOPPED.

[heidiho]

1. Comparing it to Holocaust photos, Somalia, etc.

What if Saddam had bombed Kennybunkport a few years ago and showed photos of Chimpy and Jeb dead on Arab TV? To me, it doesn't matter
what they have done or didn't do, we are now a rogue nation of assasins. We have invaded and occupied a foreign soverign country and lied about our reasoning to boot.

As a Christian and a human being, I am appalled.

Oh, but I forgot, "these were bad people."

We have been outraged as a nation when a foreign government shows photos of dead Americans on television. We have stooped to the level of terrorists, in my humble opinion.

[caribmon]

7. Being in Europe

Yea... I would say you are f**ed. Word on the street in Holland is America is gross fro displaying these pics to the world and thrusting them in the face of young children in Europe. Shame on you George... I hope your country takes you down. It's bad enough I have to censor my television in Europe for my two year old daughter and Fox Cartoons that litter our world. I refuse to let her see the violence that permeates your world.

[Lars39]

10. I've got teens & I don't want them exposed to this barbarism.

It is the equivalent of an enemy's head on a stake for all to see and fear. Instead of fear, though, I just feel disgust and a determination
to oust the cretin.

[mopaul]

43. yes, america is out of control now

and i'm sure you realize that not all of us are happy about it.
but the mass propaganda is proving very effective on a large percentage of americans. i just have to shake my head and brace myself for what is surely coming. can you suggest any publications or internet sites that we americans could view to get an idea of how the europeans see america? maybe i don't really want to know.

[Mike_from_NoVa]

47. Here's a site for an international take on America

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/default.stm

Amazing stuff here.

[oneighty]

2. Well the all hat

would be Texas gunslinger has the 'Gunman's strut' down pretty good. Now he needs to practice the 'Hitler Jig'. He has the facial expression for that part pretty well mastered.

180

[mopaul]

6. his body language today was very hitlerian

also like mussolini, not as grand, but just as psychotic. he is at his most focused when he's in front of an adoring crowd, the only kind he appears in front of, and throws raw meat to them, and reacts to their jingosim. anyone who has ever studied the fascists from the mid 20th century, or remembers them, or watched them on documentaries, recognizes what madmen look and act like.

[MuseRider]

3. You got it right.

I have never felt so totally disgusted and that is saying something because along with you and all of our friends here we have been disgusted ever since the selection.
The maladministration and the right wing press is appealing to the very lowest emotions we all have. Revenge, fear and hatred. I feel like I am sitting in the midst of a lynch mob. It is disgusting, sad and scary. They must be stopped.

[annagull]

4. well put, heidiho and mopaul

I just cannot believe the United States of America supported the assassination, then the broadcast of the grizly bodies. I woke up wondering what country I was in--seems more like a 3rd world banana republic every day.

[celestia671]

5. I agree!

Imo, the US would have done better to try and capture the Hussein boys alive. That way, they could have a better chance of locating Big Daddy and all of those dangerous weapons they were so hot to find a couple of months ago!

[glarius]

11. They didn't want them alive....Funny they don't mention the 14 yr.old boy

they killed too...They always refer to the 2 Hussein brothers and "2 others". It wouldn't look so nice to display a 14 yr. old kid in his death throes would it?...:puke: It's all so disgusting!

[KC]

8. I agree

The whole thing was disgusting. And they actually seemed proud and pleased to be able to show those horrible photos. Barbaric behavior doesn't even come close to describing it!
This sure won't stop terrorism, it will only create more hatred and cause more terrorist acts against us.
When will people learn ??
KC

[matt819]

9. Well said

One of the better posts today.

[xxqqqzme]

12. agree! I am greatly

disturbed by the, I can only call it glee, manner this was all accomplished. I find it interesting every other 'card' has been captured, but the sons R gunned down. god forbid, they should B taken alive. They would have revealed there R NO WMD & would have exposed the rat bastard squatter & the kriminal kabal.

[DulceDecorum]

13. Laws of War : General Orders No. 100

INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF ARMIES OF THE UNITED STATES IN THE FIELD
Prepared by Francis Lieber, promulgated as General Orders No. 100 by President Lincoln, 24 April 1863.

SECTION IX
Assassination
Art. 148.
The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lieber.htm#sec9

President Lincoln was himself assassinated in an act of unspeakable barbarism.

[mopaul]

19. thanks for that DD

good to hear from you. it reminds me of the old cowboy days, the photos of the outlaws propped up in coffins with signs tied around their necks with their names and crimes scrawled in charcoal. or the photos of john dillinger and bonnie and clyde and pretty boy floyd full of holes and stitched up. it's sick.

[oustemnow]

37. Wasn;t our gov't supposedly infuriated by the Richard Perle tapes?

And I think there was one other instance, either in Afghanistan or Iraq, when the US Admin expressed outrage over televised images of prisoners, I think on Al Jaseera (sp?).

This is somehow better?

[Mike_from_NoVa]

48. uhhh DANIEL Pearl

Richard Perle is the f$%#wad behind this whole mess.

[Skittles]

14. it is unbelievably sickening

and the whole story is just so much garbage. If they REALLY wanted to show the Iraqis they "got the brothers" WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE THEM ALIVE and PUT THEM ON TRIAL? It is not a proud time to be American.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

41. The Iraqi people should have had the opportunity to put them on trial.

Bush has taken away what should have been the Iraqis people's right to establish justice and put the creeps on trial. They were the ones that were victimized by the sons.

Of course, we all know the Bush Corp would never allow that to happen since they are the ones that put Saddam in power and armed him.

[mopaul]

46. exactly, i believe they were silenced before they could expose bushco

all other hussein henchmen have been collected alive and used as a source for intelligence, some even paid huge sums for their info.
but these men were silenced.

[mandyky]

15. You wanna bet this brings on a Bagdad bop that

resembles Mogadishu(sp). Our hypocrisy - we griped about war crimes when AlJezera showed pics of the dead from the 507th, but it is perfectly okay for us to blast it all day ofthe Husein boys. We wonder why people don't like America ... well if they did not like us before, this won't win any friends or influence any people to like us now.

[Wonder]

16. I still haven't seen them.

I know people placed them in one of the threads in LBN. I didn't access the link. Not because I am in denial about it. Today's barbaric spectacle does indeed take us back to the dark ages. we are devolving. I have no need to look at those pictures to get the picture. I refuse.

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[Wonder]

20. The Disgust People Feel

is not because they feel two good guys just got offed?

[annagull]

21. No one believes this administration anymore

Those two young women and the rest of the Iraqis would have been better served if Uday and Qusay had been led to a TRIAL instead of blown to bits. Since all the Bushistas do is LIE, nobody believes they actually caught the Hussains. Go back to FR and enjoy your bloodlust with the other monkies.

[mopaul]

26. good points annagull

monekeybrain forgets WE created the monster hussein and he works for bushco

[mopaul]

22. gotcha

yeah yeah right

[izzie]

18. Is pretty bad and it makes one a shamed of our gov.

What has happened to us?

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[annagull]

27. Hey Monkey--wrong again--3 killed

The U.S. Central Command says a troop convoy from 101st Airborne Division came under rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire early Thursday, near the city of Mosul.

The attack was the second in as many days on troops from 101st Airborne Division, which is based in Mosul, and carried out the military operation that killed Saddam Hussein's sons, Uday and Qusay, Tuesday.
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=0D6C0454-4398-44EB-B9288532B0B5D0B5

The retribution will continue to cost us. I have family fighting in Iraq, and all I want is for them to come home from this LIARS WAR/

[greenwow]

32. You still call them family???

I have family fighting in Iraq, and all I want is for them to come home from this

Wow, you are tolerant. They volunteer to kill people for money for the Bush junta, and you still consider them family?

[annagull]

34. so all of the soldiers over there are cold blooded killers to you?

Maybe some of us didn't have the same economic opportunites as you did. Maybe none of us imagined we would invade a country that never attacked us. Save your judgemental bullshit, if you are lucky enough not to have to worry about any of your family in constant danger, just consider yourself blessed.

[greenwow]

35. Sigh

> Maybe some of us didn't have the same economic opportunites as you did.

So needing money is a valid excuse for doing something wrong?

> Maybe none of us imagined we would invade a country that never attacked us.

Why do so many of those people assume that they never would have to kill someone? Don't join if you have a problem with killing people.

> If you are lucky enough not to have to worry about any of your family in constant danger...

Families around the world are in danger because of those type of people. Why not be critical of the people that empower thugs like Bushy?

[annagull]

38. defending your country is not "wrong"

and your answers are just plain loopy. You answer questions never asked:
me:Maybe none of us imagined we would invade a country that never attacked us.
you:Why do so many of those people assume that they never would have to kill someone? Don't join if you have a problem with killing people.

Huh? I didn't say they had a problem doing their job, I said they had a problem with this war. Go back to your ivory tower, greenwow, where the good people live and nothing bad must ever happen.

[bodhisattava]

28. This is shameful

My pride in America took a beating today as I saw the pictures
and the glee with which everyone connected with this display
conducted himself.It is clear that the Arabs have become the new untermenschen of our times and our rulers are beginning to display the same Nazi savagery that William Shirer so ably chronicled for us.
Not content with flouting the United Nations, men like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and their cabal are now bidding to outdo the
barbarians of just fifty years ago.To think that this is being done in our name and we, the people, are relegated to being helpless witnesses to this barbarism!

[are_we_united_yet]

29. Agree 100%

It was a sad day for America. Partly in the sense that Americans gawked and rubber necked as though it were some gruesome car wreck (which it was). Not realizing it was a great opportunity to find the WMD(which probably don't exist).

[bodhisattava]

30. Where are our moral leaders?

After the appalling display of the bodies of Uday and Qusay and one their children, it would seem the outrage should bring out our clergy,University presidents,writers, artists and others to protest the barbarism of the Bush henchmen.If these people are not outraged
by this, they can take all their sermons, doctorates, pious pronouncements and shove it up their you know what.It is at times like this we need our moral leaders to step up and speak to the powers that be without fear.If we see silence, we know that we are in a steeper decline than even MoPaul has indicated.

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. God must be so proud of his boy right now...

I wonder what he said to him...?

[bodhisattava]

33. The Bush people are moral cowards

When ordinary Americans are struggling everyday against the economic devastation brought about by our rulers and display courage, kindness
and fellowship to those who suffer everyday, our rulers who have so much privilege and power go and waste it in raw display of naked force against a country and its people who have done us no harm and have intended no harm. When all the excuses for invading Iraq have been exposed as lies, Mr.Bush struts on to a carrier in military garb he avoided using when needed and now in an abject display of cruelty gloats at the display of dead bodies of his enemies as though he is a medieval warlord.

None of this should come as a surprise to us because Mr.Bush is simply beyond the pale as his past history clearly demonstrates.

[maggrwaggr]

36. Give me a break. You want to see nasty photos from Iraq?

There are plenty.

The U.S. had no choice but to show these pictures.

If you expected anything else, you're not living in the real world.

What pisses me off is that the media DOESN'T show pictures of the dead from this "war". They sanitized it, and now they're showing two dead bodies, you're "horrified?"

You want pictures of the real victims of the war, go here:

http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm

You should be pissed off that THESE pictures WEREN'T shown in the media.

[mopaul]

42. actually m, i DON'T want to see shot up corpses of ANYONE

the pictures were shown as a kind of barbaric message to the entire muslim world. i've seen shot up, mutilated corpses before, soldiers, civilians, none of it is pretty. but this represents a new phase in american history, the displaying of dead enemies. it opens the floodgates, and it will be met in kind with similar photos, as we try to out brute each other. i will agree with you, it pisses me off too that they don't show ALL of the real gore and blood and guts and carnage. they should. in fact, it's easy to find such images anytime you want. this is the face of war, blasted, shattered lives, of bad guys, and good guys, and innocent children.

i see your point, and i hope you see mine. after all i have read about the two brothers, they should have been killed a long time ago.
they were subhuman scum of the worst imaginable kind. we as a nation have been softening our sensibilities to such images over the last 60 years or so, and some are shocked and horrified by the pictures. i was not shocked at all, just disgusted at the obvious propaganda and mental manipulation of our own regime, there is nothing they won't do to achieve their ultimate goal, which is roman type imperialism.

as the release the 9-11 report, with dozens of pages redacted to protect our sensitive citizenry from knowing about how we kiss the saudi's asses, even though it was saudi fanatics who attacked us, i suggest we show all the bloody facts. i suggest we show all the blood and horror of what it is we are doing the world over. i was just repulsed by our war hungry oil overlords salivating over the victory, and leering at the images like it was pornography.

it would be interesting to have a collection of photos of all the INNOCENT people we've mutilated since bush took office. there are literally thousands killed, crippled, and devastated by nothing other than the greed of the military/inustrial/oil complex. and bush himself is never more happy than when he's talking about death and executions and carnage. he and his henchmen are ghoulish and without human souls. they are not ordering all this military mayhem to protect you and i, or for lofty notions of democracy and freedom, but for the further enrichment of already super wealthy billionaires.
the soldiers who die, and the innocents who get in the way mean nothing to these men.

prepare for dead u.s.soldiers to be displayed in a similar fashion now, and don't be shocked when it happens. this could have all been handled in a more appropriate way. and don't forget, WE didnt' give a shit about hussein and his boys for decades, knowing full well what they were up to. don't forget rumsfeld and reagan themselves with daddybush's help provided saddam with all the money and power he ever dreamed of as long as he was doing our bidding.

[Spentastic]

44. "The U.S. had no choice but to show these pictures. "

Er? Why? Because they have a credibility problem?

Like you I'm annoyed that other images have not been shown. However the choice TO show these two is telling.

Don't show our soldiers but here are a couple of dead people for ya.

[mopaul]

45. & the timing, on the day the 9-11 probe is released

as if to counteract the lies told to go to war. to hide the fact that we support terrorist nations ourselves. to cover over the fact that bushco orhestrated 9-11 to set off ww3.

[MyClaud]

39. God help us all

The Bush regime has done it again...and here I didn't think he could get much worse. Those pictures are sick, and for Bush to beam about "his" accomplishment proves he is sick too. What I can't help but think about is the fact that somewhere in Iraq (most likely) is a mother who has lost her boys and a grandchild. Yes, they were the nastiest kind of kids a parent could spawn, but they left someone greiving for them. As a mother I can't help but think how I would feel if one, let alone two, of my kids...not to mention my grandkids were killed then their pictures plastered on worldwide television.

It's okay for us to show Iraqi dead, but it's not okay for them to show dead Americans. This entire fiasco has been one contradiction after another. I'm sickened by the state of our nation and I have a very hard time believing so many people are fooled by Bush and his party line. Is Hitler his secret hero?

If California can get rid of a govenor, can't we do the same with a president?

[VOX]

40. Tantamount to heads on a stake in the town square for all to see...

I will not look at the photos. Even if these guys were monsters, I will not be a participant in this. The America I know -- the America I remember -- would never be so goddamn barbaric.

These are the new Dark Ages.