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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:22 AM
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"And they're coming back sick right now."

http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=12799&lang=en

07/22/03 (Buffalo News) The American use of depleted uranium munitions in both Persian Gulf wars has unleashed a toxic disaster that will eclipse the Agent Orange tragedy of the Vietnam War, a former top Army official said Monday evening.

-snip-


Called to active duty in 1990, Rokke said, he was assigned to develop procedures for cleaning up uranium contamination after "they decided to use depleted uranium munitions" in the war to expel Iraq from Kuwait.

"They didn't tell anybody what they were doing. Why would they? Depleted uranium munitions are the ultimate weapon. Each round fired by an Abrams tank (represents) 10 pounds of solid uranium-238. The purpose of war is to kill and destroy."

-snip-


The United States blew up Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in Kuwait and on the Saudi Arabian border in the first gulf war, Rokke said. As a precaution, American personnel were inoculated before entering the field, but "we were told not to record it, and it's not in the soldiers' medical records."

Uranium munitions were also used during the recent war in Iraq, he added.

"It's like playing darts," he said, "except you're playing with 10 pounds of solid uranium and it catches fire immediately. You lose nearly 40 percent of the round in uranium dust. It contaminates air, water and soil for all eternity."
-snip-
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our troops are contaminated. the Iraqi people are doubly contaminated. here in the US the workers at the plants that make these weapons are contaminated.

no one seems to care
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:32 AM
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1. I care
I've said before, this ONE reason alone was enough reason for me to be totally against the war -- the fact that our children would be exposed to it again, and the fact that we would undoubtedly use more of it.

It is absolutely heartbreaking to me.

Eloriel
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:50 AM
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4. If you haven't yet done so check out www.umrc.net
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 11:50 AM by JohnyCanuck
UMRC stands for the Uranium Medical Research Centre. One of their lead researchers Dr. Asaf Durakovic MD PhD was formerly head of nuclear medicine at the VA's department of nuclear medicine in Wilmington, Delaware. He was also a colonel in the US Army.

He got sacked after writing Bill Clinton a letter asking for a full investigation into the affects of depleted uranium on GW1 veterans. He was having to treat these veterans in his capacity as a doctor with the VA and felt the hazards of Depleted Uranium were being purposely downplayed.

Dr Durakovic began to campaign on behalf of his patients but soon ran into a brick wall. No-one wanted to listen to his story. The records and lab samples of his patients were repeatedly lost. The two doctors who did the tests were fired. His car was sabotaged on two occasions and he began to receive anonymous threats.

Was there a reason officials didn’t want information on DU victims of the Gulf War to become public? According to Dr Durakovic there are two main reasons – and they both involve money. By the year 2000 the bill to clean up waste uranium from the US nuclear industry would have amounted to more than $200 billion. So a lot of cash could be saved if the uranium was recycled in the arms industry. And of course there is the issue of compensation. The US Government would have to pay out billions if it could be conclusively proven that DU-coated weapons were causing illness in returned American troops.

But money seems a petty concern when we are talking about changes to the human gene pool. ‘Deformities among children born to Gulf War vets are well-documented as is the rising incidence of birth malformations in Iraq,’ Dr Durakovic stresses. ‘What will happen in future generations? I have seen the effects of radiation worldwide. The consequences of DU are immeasurable.’

In February 1997 an exasperated Durakovic wrote to President Clinton on behalf of Gulf War veterans asking for an inquiry into DU contamination. Two months later he was fired from his job as Chief of Nuclear Medicine at the Department of Nuclear Medicine at the Veteran’s Administration Authority in Wilmington, Delaware. Two of Durakovic’s original 24 patients are now dead and 12 more are seriously ill. He warns that as many as 80,000 US soldiers may have been contaminated with DU.


http://www.newint.org/issue305/interview.htm

Now Dr. Durakovic appears to do research funded throug the UMRC and there most recent project has been research on uranium pollution in Afghanistan after the US lead Operation Enduring Freedom. Anyone interested in what he has to say on this issue can check out www.umrc.net .

I know some people are convinced that the radiation hazards presented by depleted uranium are insignificant (although Dr. Durakovic and a few others are apparently not so convinced). Whatever the case, it looks to me like there could be some really nasty side effects associated with the use of depleted uranium in munitions, whether it is from radiation or heavy metal toxicity.



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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:38 AM
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2. Okay, when thse soldiers FINALLY come home...
after who-kows-how-long, and if we can even get the 3ID out of the country safely, what are they coming home to? Joblessness, slow, early death with debilitating symptoms, nightmares about their tour of duty, no health care, cut benefits....

And WE don't "support the troops," cuz we didn't want them over there in the first place?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:44 AM
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3. It Gets Worse
Read This:

http://www.arabia.com/pina/article/english/0,14183,408148,00.html

Snip:

Mysterious Diseases Haunt U.S. Troops In Iraq
July 18, 2003, 06:59 PM


"He asserted that three soldiers who suffered these symptoms did not respond to medical treatment in Iraqi hospitals and were flown to Washington for medication .."

The military source reported a media blackout by U.S. officials to hide such information from the public.

U.S. officials did not come up with an explanation for the symptoms, which NATO experts tend to believe result from direct exposure to powerful nuclear radiations of the sophisticated B-2 bombs used in the war on Iraq, particularly in striking Iraqi Republican Guards forces who deployed to defend the vicinity of Baghdad airport.

On April 25, the British Observer quoted military sources as affirming that depleted uranium shells and bombs used by U.S. and British troops during Iraq invasion were five times more than the number used during 1991 Gulf war.



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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:13 PM
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5. I care, but what is one supposed to do when sick vets refuse to see this
for themselves? I know 2 of them. One is older and developed symptoms a few years ago that included fatigue and seizures. He has since developed a rare type of brain tumor. I asked his wife if they had researched DU and its effects and the documented cases of other vets. Her response was that the Pentagon and the DOD says that there is nothing to it so there's nothing to it and it's not what caused his illness. She then let me know in a hurry that the conversation was over and that the military wouldn't lie about such a thing.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:37 PM
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7. arghhh!
the willful ignorance of the 'murikan public is astounding!
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CafeToad Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:54 PM
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8. The willful ignorance also seems to permeate DU2
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 01:10 PM by CafeToad
(with DU2 being used to denote 'Democratic Underground' as opposed to DU, which will be 'depleted uranium' for the purposes of this thread).

In almost every thread on the topic of DU, somebody points out that persons suffering from gulf war syndrome were exposed to a witch's brew of toxins and pathogens, as well as poor sanitation, extreme heat and sunlight, dehydration, etc. etc. It is quite possible that DU may play a small role IN COMBINATION with everything else they were exposed to.

If uranium were indeed a major factor in causing gulf war syndrome, then everyone in coal burning areas in the USA would also be expected to be suffering from it since the combustin of coal releases significant quantities of uranium. For more information, please refer to this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=169&mesg_id=169&page=

More information added on edit:

Commercial uses of DU:

Since 1985, MSC has converted over 6 million pounds of depleted uranium into more than 70,000 safe, useful products. MSC has performed this work under a radioactive material operating license issued by the State of Tennessee under NRC guidelines. MSC performs its depleted uranium operations in a special controlled area that is continuously monitored and where the air is drawn through high energy filters to remove any airborne dust and particles.

MSC has the only depleted uranium rolling mill licensed for commercial use in the United States. MSC can also cast depleted uranium into various shapes and then machine the part to tight tolerances. Depending on the depleted uranium application, MSC can also clad the uranium in stainless steel or coat the depleted uranium in a safe material for human handling.

Depleted uranium products manufactured by MSC include components for scientific instruments to containers for spent fuel shipping casks. Depleted uranium is an excellent shield against nuclear radiation, and therefore is used as a lining for radwaste containers that are being shipped for processing or disposal. The depleted uranium can be rolled into sheets and then formed in MSC’s drum making equipment into a cylinder that can then be seam welded and used as a sleeve shield for a radwaste container.

In the medical field, depleted uranium has been used for biomedical isotope shields, calorimeters, and radiographic cameras. Depleted uranium can be melted and molded into shapes that use the shielding and density characteristics of the metal to absorb radiation or to direct it in a particular direction depending on its medical application.

Another excellent application for depleted uranium is as a counterweight. Currently, depleted uranium is used as a counterweight in both commercial and military aircraft. Because of its density, 18.95 gm/cc, depleted uranium can supply a significant mass in a small area. Counterweights can be moved to compensate for fuel consumption or shifting cargo loads.

Depleted uranium is currently being investigated as a replacement for lead in elevator counterweights, fork truck counterbalances, and crane counterweights. Because of the density of depleted uranium, the appropriate mass takes up significantly less space allowing for either a more compact design or room for additional components. The depleted uranium, because of its residual radioactivity, cannot be easily disposed off at the end of its useful life. MSC is able to lease depleted uranium to a customer. At the end of its useful life the depleted uranium parts can be returned to MSC for proper disposal under its license.


from http://www.mfgsci.com/metprod.html




DU has also been widely-used in dentures:

Up to the early 1980s, natural and depleted uranium has been widely used for dental porcelains to obtain a natural color and fluorescence of dentures and the superficial parts of crowns.

http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/ruxt.html



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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:24 PM
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11. Human Handling
Coat the depleted Uranium in a SAFE material for human handling? Hmmm why would they want to do that? Could it be some depleted Uranium is more depleted than other 'Depleted' Uranium and is not safe under any conditions unless shielded?

You have destroyed your own argument.

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CafeToad Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:52 PM
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14. How have I destroyed my own argument?
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 02:09 PM by CafeToad
My argument is that we are constantly exposed to uranium (of which depleted uranium is the safest isotope) and whatever additional exposure occurs on the battlefield is inconsequential (by itself, perhaps in combination with other factors, it does play a role in Gulf War syndrome).

Addressing the 'coat the depleted uranium in a safe material' issue - uranium causes chemical toxicity - it is a heavy metal like lead. My computer, using an-old style monitor, has about four pounds of lead in it, enough to kill me and most of the people who work in my office under some conditions - but it hasn't done so yet because it is "coated for safe human handling" by several layers of materials. AT home, I have a few liters of bleach that is also shielded from human handling, god forbid that it falls into the wrong hands and somebody uses it to commit war crimes!

I suggest that if you want to get a general feel for how ubiquitous exposure to uranium is, check out federal regulatory guidelines at

http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/uregusa.html#EPADWRADFI

Someplace in this information presented at this link you will find that the limit for uranium in bottled drinking water is 30 micrograms per liter. At that level, Lake Michigan contains about 150,000 tons of solubilized uranium, or about 500 times more than was used in Gulf War I. Somehow, common sense has to apply someplace - selective searching of the web to find alarmist DU sites that hype the medical horrors of DU exposure somehow smacks of the Bush administration's selective use of intelligence to justify the gulf war in the first place. I would think that would be beneath DU2'ers.

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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:25 PM
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16. Nonsense
I have worked with nuclear materials.. Nuclear materials are not safe under any conditions. That is why one must wear radiation detection devices when working with radioactive materials no matter their level of radiation. Lead is not radioactive, need not be shielded, it is in fact is a excellent shild from radiation. Also we are not talking about water in Lake Michigan. We are talking about depleted U238 which will have trace amounts of U235 and other Isotopes more or less depending on degree of 'Depletion" any exposure over time is a serious health problem. It is being exploded and burned, breathed by humans, some of our soldiers are breathing this stuff. It is not good for them. The damage from radiation is cumulative.

I certainly would not be willing to enter the battlefield and depend on the Generals telling me. "This stuff will not hurt you." Would you?

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CafeToad Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:55 PM
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17. Depleted uranium is not shielded because of its radiation
It is shielded because of its chemical toxicity.

In fact, it (similar to lead) is used to shield radiation:

"Depleted uranium products manufactured by MSC include components for scientific instruments to containers for spent fuel shipping casks. Depleted uranium is an excellent shield against nuclear radiation, and therefore is used as a lining for radwaste containers that are being shipped for processing or disposal."

http://www.mfgsci.com/metprod.html#du

Therefore, the comparison to lead is indeed most apt.


And it's not true that "Nuclear materials are not safe under any conditions" - of course you wear a radiation detection badge to ensure that you do not exceed exposure limits, not because a low level of exposure is harmful.

Once again, I urge you to check out this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=169&mesg_id=169&page=

in particular posts #1 and 7.


And about Lake Michigan - I've seen lots of people swimming in it. I'm sure that they've ingested their share of DU from the lake water (which is a bit different than inhaling it, but nevertheless it's inside the body either way - and the DU in the lake water is much more bioavailable because its already solubilized). Furthermore, 30 micrograms per Liter is allowed in bottled drinking water (80 micrograms was under consideration as the limit) - once again, if this was harming people, don't you think there would have been lawsuits by now?.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 03:42 PM
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19. So, based on the information
you are reporting here you are willing to enter the battlefield and expose your self to these things that will not harm you?

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CafeToad Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 04:15 PM
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20. No, I would not want to enter the battlefield
First of all because I'm a complete coward and don't want to get blown up.

Secondarily, because of the REAL health hazards present. Namely, the large amounts of hydrocarbon residues from partially burnt fuels, explosives, propellants and plastics that result from modern mechanized warface. Many of these hydrocarbon residues are 'greasy' and stick around in the environment for a long time are are quite dangerous - benzene, to give a well-known example, is carcinogenic and most likely causes birth defects.

Third, the extreme heat and unsanitary conditions, poor nutrition, infectious diseases would keep me away.

Finally, it's just common sense that exposure to potentially dangerous materials like DU be reduced if possible; however considering the above-mentioned points, it'd be of little concern considering that I live about 30 miles downwind (OK, not on all days) of a coal-fired generating plant that's already spewing uraniun into the air, and since there about 4 grams of uranium in every kilogram of soil in my garden already, somehow the threat of the DU in the battlefield just isn't that scary.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:40 PM
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13. It's the inhaled particles that UMRC claim are deadly.
Cafe Toad you said:

MSC has the only depleted uranium rolling mill licensed for commercial use in the United States. MSC can also cast depleted uranium into various shapes and then machine the part to tight tolerances. Depending on the depleted uranium application, MSC can also clad the uranium in stainless steel or coat the depleted uranium in a safe material for human handling.

Depleted uranium products manufactured by MSC include components for scientific instruments to containers for spent fuel shipping casks. Depleted uranium is an excellent shield against nuclear radiation, and therefore is used as a lining for radwaste containers that are being shipped for processing or disposal. The depleted uranium can be rolled into sheets and then formed in MSC’s drum making equipment into a cylinder that can then be seam welded and used as a sleeve shield for a radwaste container.



However as UMRC sees it, the problem with DU in munitions is that it explodes and burns becoming extremely small particles of uranium oxide which can be inhaled and trapped in the lungs and also remain on the ground to contaminate food and water supplies. This is not the case with solid depleted uranium used in counterweights etc.


Fiction: Alpha particles can't penetrate clothes and skin.

Fact: This statement ignores the most prevalent and dangerous pathway for Uranium to get into the human body. Inhaled Uranium can remain in the lungs and bones for years where it continues to emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Each alpha particle can traverse up to several hundred cells causing somatic and genetic alterations. Multiply this by billions of such particles and a huge amount of cellular damage becomes possible. The majority (50-70%) of the airborne DU particles sampled during the testing of 105 mm DU projectiles were in the respirable range and capable of reaching the non-ciliated bronchial tree. Studies also indicate that the half-time in the lungs is up to 5 years.

Soluble DU compounds have rapid access to the bloodstream with consequent toxic effects on the target organs and the bone where it is incorporated. Mass spectrometry results of deceased Canadian veteran, Captain Terry Riordon, confirmed that Depleted Uranium was present in his bone. From there it can compromise the immune system and affect the stem cells that travel throughout the body thereby affecting many other organs. Soldiers inside a tank or armoured vehicle can inhale tens of milligrams of DU after the shell goes through the tank. Compare this to the maximum allowable yearly dose in the U.S. for inhaled Uranium is 1.2 milligrams per year.


http://www.umrc.net/factsAndFictions.asp

BTW, I'm attempting to contact UMRC and see how they respond to the issue you raised that uranium contamination released by burning coal does not seem to have any significant hazardous effects compared to the claims made about the dangers of DU. I'll post whatever info I am able to obtain from them.
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CafeToad Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:01 PM
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15. Perhaps I should clarify
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 02:20 PM by CafeToad
that I am not trying to dispute whether or not DU is a health hazard, I really don't know (I suspect that it may indeed be a health hazard due to its chemical toxicity - there are numerous reasons why it is virtually impossible that it's low level of radioactivity is a problem).

The point I'm trying to make is that it is NOT the major factor in the health problems experienced by Gulf War Syndrome patients. Yes, I realize the aerosolized particles are what are the problem here, but as I point out in another post, depleted uranium was widely used in dentures up until the 1980's, so there's a precendent for it being in the body without causing significant health hazards (and believe me, it had, you'd have heard about it now!! (refering to our litigious society)).

I apologize if I come across as an ass in this thread, but it's a concern of mine when I see like-minded anti-war people eating up very dubious claims, like those made by Mr. Rokke. Wide-spread dissemination of such views will no doubt damage the credibility of those trying to get help for the sufferers of Gulf War Syndrome.


Have you ever gone swimming in the ocean?

uh oh, ocean water contains enough dissolved uranium (poised ready to enter your body) to make commercial recovery efforts economically feasible in the foreseeable future:



http://www.jaeri.go.jp/english/ff/ff43/topics.html
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:29 PM
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6. It is outrageous that this is not a scandal
After Gulf War 1, we should have learned our lesson about these weapons. But nooooooooo.

WE went ahead and used them again. KNowing full well what weapons of hell they are.

And we "care" about our trooips and the Iraqi people?....Pardon my French but Bull-fucking shit.
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:03 PM
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9. Vets SPeak Out: Living with Depleted Uranium, Gulf War Syndrome

Vets Speak Out:
Living with Depleted Uranium and Gulf War Syndrome
April 5th, 2003


Last night, at the University Temple United Methodist Church in Seattle, Gulf War veterans discussed their experiences with "Gulf War Syndrome." There were so many emotions it is difficult to characterize the experience, but the overarching tone was one of outrage. The theme that drove this outrage was the convergence of four US policy decisions:

$20+ billion in VA budget cuts,
$300+ billion in tax breaks to the rich,
government abandonment of sick Gulf War vets,
and the commitment of another generation of vets to the same fate.

Upward of 500 people filled the pews of the large church, with perhaps another couple of hundred in the balcony. A large projector screen stood to the right of the podium. In the hall outside were four tables with literature of various sorts. I bought a copy of Takashi Morizumi's Children of the Gulf War: A Different Nuclear War. Morizumi has been documenting the children of Iraq since 1998, and this booklet is a collection of his photographs taken in various hospitals in Basra and Baghdad. Some are posted online here: http://www.savewarchildren.org/exhibitPictures.html. Many of these photos are beautiful, but some are horrifying. Morizumi says:


Iraqi hospitals are filled with children suffering from leukemia, cancer and physical deformities. To treat the enormous increase in patients, the two pediatric hospitals in Baghdad had to build special wings for leukemia patients...Doctors are overwhelmed with the number of severely ill patients. Deaths from cancer in Basra...increased from 34 in <1991> before the war to 219 five years later in 1996. Since then, they have continued to soar. In 2000, the figure was 586 deaths, a 17-fold increase.

I paged through this photojournal as the veterans took the stage. Here, a photo of an 8-year-old girl in a white shawl, smiling because she's going home from the hospital; there, a photo of her bald head, denuded of hair because of her leukemia treatment. "She's going home because they've run out of medicine," says her mother. A few pages later is a shot of children playing in a children's cemetary, where the gravedigger says he digs four or five graves a day. Other pages have grim images of children born without skulls or with organs outside their bodies. Some of the severe birth defects remind me of Chernobyl aftermath photos I've seen (Chernobyl: Insight from the Inside, by V.M. Chernousenko).

The MC for the evening was Ellen Murphy, who was arrested on Veteran's Day for trespassing as she handed out leaflets about Depleted Uranium in front of the Bellingham Armed Forces Recruitment Center. Ellen was the MC for the evening, and she is a counselor who has worked with the vet speakers. She briefly described her experience of leafletting-as-civil-disobedience, and a man shouted from the audience, "Thank you, Ellen, we need you." She had him stand, and we saw that he was an older veteran, wearing his envelope cap, which was festooned with buttons.


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The four veterans spoke in turn about their experiences. The first was Alvin Clark, a soft-spoken Army transportation sergeant. In a Southern lilt, he told us that when he returned to the US after service in Gulf War I, he immediately became deathly ill with aplastic anemia. He was unable to work, and he accrued $25,000 in medical bills, because the VA took four years to process his disability claim. He was accused of malingering, his family was subjected to intrusive, accusatory interviews, and his wife left her job for eight months to take care of him, all as he lay near death in his hospital bed. A bone marrow transplant saved his life, and the VA refused to pay for it. It was only the intervention of Sen John McCain that made it happen. His message was that we should not believe what we see in the press and in official Pentagon statements; the reality is very different. He said if it were not for his wife, he would have ended up on dying in the street, as 250,000 other vets have.

The next speaker was ex-USAF Captain Dana Briggs, who is not a Gulf War vet, but he has seen combat operations in Central America and elsewhere around the world. He resigned his commission after participating in strategic planning meetings in which acceptable civilian losses were placed at 20-80 million people, depending on the scenario. He stressed that the job of any military is to "kill and destroy. It has no other purpose." Briggs is from a military family, and he said that at the AF Academy, he was taught a code: "I will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do." This brought back nearly forgotten memories of my AFROTC education, where we received the same indoctrination. For him, the outrage is that the US is typically led by people who do lie, cheat, steal, and tolerate those who do. His bleak position is that we have all been prisoners of war since 1941, and that every president since then, including FDR, has been guilty of war crimes.

Next up was Brandi Mitchell, a petite blonde woman. She stood to the side of the podium and was accompanied by a man, which confused me for a moment. Then she started signing, and I realized what was going on: "Gulf War Syndrome" had made her deaf. She had been stationed in the Gulf on the USS Puget Sound in 1993 as a medic, when many people started becoming sick. She said 2/3 of the corpsmen fell ill, and then she contracted meningitis. Apparently nobody knew how the illnesses were spreading. She resigned when she returned to the US, and now her health is in continuous decline. She said she has recently started suffering from migraines and tremors, which are making it difficult to sign. Many tests have been performed, and the VA doctors repeatedly tell her they don't know what's wrong with her; instead they ask her why she's deaf, and she jokes, "You're the doctors, you tell me."

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Then we heard from Indira Rai-Choudhury, a Navy JAG (military attorney). Her disability claim was denied by the VA for ten years, and she has accumulated $18,000 in medical bills. It was only the intervention of Congressman Norm Dicks that got her claim approved. She addressed the current situation in legal terms: the US Constitution is being shredded before our eyes, and "the US is dying." She observed that we spend $5 million dollars a day on Israel, "with more violations of UN resolutions than any nation," but we cut VA funding by over $20 billion. People are being "disappeared," secret evidence is being used in secret trials, and roundups have begun. She said that "Patriot Act II" is a malevolent threat to our freedoms, which permits Ashcroft to declare any organization to be a "terrorist" group, and if you have supported any such organizations, you can be retroactively stripped of your citizenship, She inveighed against JINSA, PNAC, and the neo-con policy makers, painting a picture as bleak as that painted by Dana Briggs: fascism is taking root in the US, and ordinary citizens had better wake up.

All four veterans then sat together for a panel, which unfortunately lasted for only one question: "How do you feel about the coverage of the war?" Sgt. Clark reiterated that we should not believe what we're being told, and that he saw "no reason" for this war. Dana Briggs said he watched the first day, then turned off the television and hasn't watched since. (This drew loud applause.) Brandi Mitchell said she hasn't been following it at all, but she is very worried about her brother and father, who have been deployed to the Gulf. Indira Rai-Choudhury said she couldn't stand to watch the coverage, with its jingoistic, sanitized view of the war.

Next, we were treated to a videotaped address by Dr. Doug Rokke, former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project, himself ill with Gulf War Syndrome. He detailed the Pentagon's denial of the disastrous effects of uranium-238 on personnel and on the environment. The recommendations of his Pentagon-sponsored study were: education, medical care, environmental cleanup. Two GAO reports and a separate Pentagon report echoed his recommendations, and to this day none of them has been implemented. He cited a new UNEP report on Bosnia-Herzegovina which shows that U-238 has contaminated local drinking water and can still be found in airborne dust. He also pointed out that "DU" is often contaminated with traces of plutonium, neptunium and americium, which are radioactive to some degree and chemically toxic. Dr. Rokke said that DU injuries are terrible and difficult to treat, and he mentioned the recent friendly fire incident in which a US A-10 attacked British soldiers. He expressed worry for the long-term effects on the survivors.



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108th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. R. 1483

To require certain studies regarding the health effects of exposure to depleted uranium munitions, to require the cleanup and mitigation of depleted uranium contamination at sites of depleted uranium munition use and production in the United States, and for other purposes.


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Following Dr. Rokke, we heard from Congressman Jim McDermott ("Baghdad Jim" to his detractors). He has just introduced legislation for health studies on DU and site cleanup (H.R. 1483, http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.1483: ). He described his trip to Iraq, focusing on the apparent effects of DU in and around Basra. He described alarming increases in severe birth defects, leukemias and child mortality rates. He emphasized that our troops are likely to suffer higher exposures this time, as they are lying on and digging in DU-contaminated dust.

Rep. McDermott also showed us a recent New York Times article purporting to explain possible causes for Gulf War Syndrome; it listed about 12 contaminants like pesticides and oil-well fires, but it omitted DU completely. It occurred to him that the obvious course of action was for the World Health Organization to undertake studies of the region, and he flatly accused the US of spiking attempts by WHO to study DU in Basra. He described his experience as a physician in Vietnam, and how he heard the same sorts of stories from sick soldiers every day for several years. He drew on the Agent Orange experience to put into context what we're seeing now.

He also cited the new UNEP report's finding that DU ordnance which misses its mark will slowly "degrade" and seep into the soil and groundwater. He expressed particular concern about the Navy practice rounds fired off the coast of Washington state; if Bosnia is contaminated by uranium 238, what's happening to our coast?

Rep. McDermott talked a bit about patriotism, saying it is patriotic to want the troops home now, and to want them to be cared for when they return. He had members of Veterans for Peace stand up, and about a half-dozen men rose from the audience, to resounding applause.


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Attorneys protest 'illegal' war
http://news.bellinghamherald.com/stories/20030327/LocalState/134282.shtml


Finally, attorney Joe Pemberton of Bellingham spoke about defending Ellen Murphy. He emphasized that during her trial, they used the term "uranium" instead of "depleted uranium" because "depleted" is misleading; DU is apparently quite pure uranium 238. Mr. Pemberton told us that Dr. Rokke had personally flown to Bellingham from the Midwest to be the expert witness at her trial, but the judge disallowed his testimony in front of the jury. Mr. Pemberton cited similarities between Germany's invasion of Poland and the US invasion of Iraq. He said it was perhaps more courageous for these soldiers to stand up and speak out in these dangerous times than it was for them to enlist. Admitting that he had never been particularly active politically, he urged us to direct our outrage into activism and said that we individually can make a difference. He recounted how he and 30 other Bellingham attorneys had shut their offices down for a week in protest of the invasion, and how this was covered by the New York Times. He closed by telling us not to succumb to depression: "Bush would like nothing better than for us to resort to alcohol, or to drugs sold by the friendly pharmaceutical companies."

Each speaker drew a standing ovation. We heard alarming numbers: 220,000 Gulf War vets on disability, out of 575,000 eligible; 140 Gulf War vets dying each month; over $20 billion dollars to be cut from the VA budget; 386 metric tons of uranium used in anti-tank weapons in Iraq and Kuwait; delays of years in VA disability requests. There were dark rumors of the children of veterans being born with birth defects, of uranium in the semen of vets. The repeated stories of VA denials reminded me of the Soviet Union's "rectifiers" -- the million or so people who cleaned up Chernobyl. As they fell ill by the thousands, the Soviet Union denied their deteriorating health was due to the cleanup effort, diagnosing them OI -- "Ordinary Illness, not related to ionizing radiation." Our military bureaucracy seems to be following a similar path, with the diagnosis of, ironically, DU -- "Diagnosis Uncertain".

The outrage was palpable at last night's presentation. It pervaded the atmosphere. There was outrage that our veterans and Iraq's civilians have been exposed to uranium 238 and then tossed aside in practiced, Soviet style. There was outrage that people who "lie, cheat, steal, and tolerate those who do," people who "have never smelled cordite" (in the words of Colin Powell), people who would use our troops as venture capital to feed their avarice, have sent another generation of soldiers to die on the uranium battlefield. Nobody knows how much DU will be used for the invasion if Iraq, but it seems certain to be a greater sum than what was used in 1991. Our troops are suffering much more direct exposure this time, and Iraq's people in densely populated cities may be on the receiving end of much more uranium ordnance.

How much DU will be deposited in the bodies of our troops and the Iraqi people this time? When will the bill come due? And how will we possibly pay it?



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Online Resources


Depleted Uranium Munitions Study Act of 2003 (H. R. 1483) To require certain studies regarding the health effects of exposure to depleted uranium munitions, to require the cleanup and mitigation of depleted uranium contamination at sites of depleted uranium munition use and production in the United States, and for other purposes.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.1483:
(be sure to include the ending colon)

Gulf War Casualties and 'Depleted' Uranium: An Educational Campaign Providing Resources on Radioactive, Chemical and Biological Weapons
http://traprockpeace.org/depleteduranium.html

Children of the Gulf War Photo Exhibit
http://www.savewarchildren.org/exhibitPictures.html

Campaign Against Depleted Uranium
http://www.cadu.org.uk/

Low-level Radiation Campaign
http://www.llrc.org/

Veterans for Peace
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

Veterans Against Iraq War
http://www.vaiw.org

Veterans for Common Sense
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/

Vietnam Veterans Against War
http://www.vvaw.org/

Military Families Speak Out
http://www.mfso.org/

Attorneys protest 'illegal' war
http://news.bellinghamherald.com/stories/20030327/LocalState/134282.shtml

Military Toxics Project: Depleted Uranium
http://www.miltoxproj.org/DU/DU_Titlepage/DU_Titlepage.htm

Trial of Ellen Murphy for protesting military use of depleted uranium
February 11 -12 , 2003, Bellingham, Washington
http://www.bellinghampeace.org/album/2003/2003_02_11trial.html

Ellen Murphy's Pre-trial date
January 7, 2003, Bellingham, Washington
http://www.bellinghampeace.org/album/2003/2003_01_07ellen.html

Ellen Murphy's Court Appearance
http://www.bellinghampeace.org/album/2002/2002_12_17ellen.html

Wallingford Neighbors for Peace (WNFP)
http://groups.msn.com/wallingfordneighbors

SNOW Coalition
http://www.snowcoalition.org/
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:07 PM
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10. THANK you for all these links! Here's one more



This one (from your post) broke my heart
Children of the Gulf War Photo Exhibit
http://www.savewarchildren.org/exhibitPictures.html

here's another one for you. It's extremely gruesome but people HAVE to see what DU does!

http://www.firethistime.org/extremedeformities.htm
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

Peace and thanks
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:31 PM
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12. copied that from another DUer
cant remember who posted that at DU a few months ago.

I only copied/pasted what was here at DU before.

There is also a photo gallery of terrible birth defects
that most belief have direct ties to Depleted Uranium use
by BushSr's oil grab back in The First Bush Family Gulf War.

but cant locate the link at present
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CafeToad Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 03:41 PM
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18. OK, don't want to believe what I'm saying?
Fine - but then please have a look at the following issue of the Journal of Environment Radioactivity (a special issue dealing with DU which I believe is available free-of-charge to the public):

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/0265931X

click on Volume 64, Issues 2-3.

Note that this journal is peer-reviewed which means that the information presented has passed a rigorous screening process to verify its accuracy (unlike the web-sites found on google). Furthermore, almost all the papers are authored by Europeans (presumably beyond the easy reach of Bush and his strong-armed tactics).
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