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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 10:27 AM
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Important editorial in the Wash. Post today
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 10:53 AM by grendelsuncle
It's by Bill Kristol. I know, just hold your nose and read it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38029-2003Jul23.html

He's a very, very important person within the neo-con movement. He and Fred Barnes (both are editors of the Weekly Standard) frame a lot of the debates you hear on TV or read in mainstream newspapers. Kristol's editorial here explicitly lays out the repubs. talking points and frames the debate. Notice he tries to walk on dems. ground and take it back from them.

Key passage:

"But Gephardt has laid down an extraordinarily clear marker for judging the Bush administration: He claims we're less safe and less secure than we were four years ago.

Is this the case? Were we safer and more secure when Osama bin Laden was unimpeded in assembling his terror network in Afghanistan? When Pakistan was colluding with the Taliban, and Saudi Arabia with al Qaeda? When Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq? When demonstrations by an incipient democratic opposition in Iran had been crushed with nary a peep from the U.S. government? When we were unaware that North Korea, still receiving U.S. food aid, had covertly started a second nuclear program? When our defense budget and our intelligence services were continuing to drift downward in capacity in a post-Cold War world?

Are we not even a little safer now that the Taliban and Hussein are gone, many al Qaeda operatives have been captured or killed, governments such as Pakistan's and Saudi Arabia's are at least partly hampering al Qaeda's efforts instead of blithely colluding with them, the opposition in Iran is stronger, our defense and intelligence budgets are up and, for that matter, Milosevic is gone and the Balkans are at peace (to mention something for which the Clinton administration deserves credit but that had not happened by July 1999)?

Is it reasonable to criticize aspects of the Bush administration's foreign policy? Sure. . . ."



He kindly finds fault with the administration's handling of post-war Iraq. This is a nifty move. He knows this is THE catlyst for the media attraction to the WMD story. By admitting the mistakes, he hopes to move on and to ask the BIGGER questions. Are we safer? Ahhhhhh. Remember, any questions that harm the repubs. platform are the unimportant questions. These only mask deeper concerns--national security (the fear card) and the dems. motives in asking questions (the patriot card). It's the same two-step manifested in different arguments.

Please don't post: "Why do you read this crap? You're an idiot to read anything the repubs. have to say." Well, then, how do I know what they're saying? How do I know how they're framing their arguments? Therefore, how I do I know how to reframe their argument and be ready to do so? It's like walking into the middle of a chess game: you can look at where you are but have NO idea how you got there, how your opponent works, what he was willing to sacrifice (in pieces or board position).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 10:33 AM
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1. I'm glad there are People like you out there looking into
what the enemy is doing. I don't have the stomach for it anymore.

But it needs to be done. Thank you!

Yes, I'm sure they want us all to move on! And No, I don't think we're more safe now. The bushwa has stirred up a hornet nest in the ME. And it started with the lies in the first Gulf War. and 9/11 happened on bushwatch. They are no good on National Security.

ANd bill kistol sucks Elephant Eggs.
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:17 AM
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5. I can't listen to talk radio, not even for entertainment.
It's pretty vile stuff and there's no art in the crafting of the political narrative. I enjoy listening to a good opponent on the right. Sully taps into the neo-con rhetoric every now and again and spins it quite well on occassion. I can enjoy the aesthetics of a good framing of the debate. I like to watch the people present the talking points of the day. There are two types of pundits when it comes to talking points: 1) those who simply keep repeating the catch word or phrases of the day; 2) those who use the talking points to construct a decent narrative and consciously use air quotes when the talking point surfaces. Both are transparent, but at least one approach, the latter, shows some thought about the intentionality that goes into the process in which they are participating.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 10:39 AM
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2. WMD will be found within the next two hundred years and we won so
"Get Over It" Did I miss one of their talking points?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 10:43 AM
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3. It is important to understand your enemy.
Kristol and Barnes are enemies of the progressive movement. They see the 19th century's imperialistic way of life as
acceptable for today's world. This editorial by the "liberal" Washington Post is important. Kristol has kindly said that the Democrats have no platform on national security in 2004. Complete Bullshit. Bush has screwed up and should be held accountable for this. The Democrats need to get tough on this issue and go at Bush.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 10:47 AM
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4. Kerry IS being tough on this issue
and he is shoving it down Bush's throat.
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bandy Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 11:37 AM
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6. this seems to be the trend
yesterday and today - WH admits guilt in SOTUA, Wolfowitz admitting to mistakes in Iraq. Just more mind games to me!
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:04 PM
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7. are we not even a little safer now?
Are we not even a little safer now that the Taliban and Hussein are gone, many al Qaeda operatives have been captured or killed, governments such as Pakistan's and Saudi Arabia's are at least partly hampering al Qaeda's efforts instead of blithely colluding with them, the opposition in Iran is stronger, ...

Kristol asks, "are we not even a little safer now?" the answer is no. now, instead of just Saddam and Osama, there are thousands of Osamas out there, boiling with rage at the manifestly unjust US-led wars. and millions more willing to support them.

even Kristol's too-charitable assessment, "a little safer", ignores the price tag. hundreds of billions spent on wars of which the best that can be said is that arguably we might be "a little" safer. with the US budget deficit reaching epic proportions, this is clearly an ineffective and unsustainable approach.

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