Somebody's post got mentioned on Sully's blog today.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/

Here's the passage:

HOW SOME LEFTISTS THINK I: On the other hand, here's a comment on the far-left Democratic Underground website that captures a certain view on the hard left:
Doesn't a part of you wish that Queasy and Duh-day were alive?
I'll admit they're scum and rightfully so, but anything that lands as even more humiliation on W's grotesque shrivelled face is that much the better.
It's sad, really, that as despicable as they are, Saddam's family seems to be the lesser of two evils when you compare them to the wretched little bastard occupying the White House and destroying America in the process...
Fifth column? Naaaah. Imagine being a Democratic candidate and having to find a way to appeal to these creeps. (Via Steve Den Beste).
END.

[meegbear]

1. Hey Admins ...

do a search. Find out if this is true.

[LiberalLibra]

18. It's true, I remember the post but don't remember the poster's name n/t

....

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

2. Here's the link to the original DU post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=63877&mesg_id=63877&page=

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

3. Here's the link to Sully's source.

He's got several DU posts linked there.

http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2003/07/Thereaction.shtml

[Cha]

21. And most of the replies were negative...sully didn't bother to

to Report that, now did he? And if you're reading this sully, I think you're sleazy media whore.

[T Roosevelt]

4. This is perfect example of media access

There are posts infinitely worse on FR, yet this one (probably fairly rare) post gets singled out and highlighted. Just proves that Sully's a whore, and if he was really concerned about candidates appealing to the worst in Americans, he'd be pointing out FR and Lucianne every day.

[July]

5. How do we know it wasn't one of "them" who posted it?

Isn't it possible that it's the work of an agent provocateur? Heck, he could have posted it himself to give himself a good quote. It may be real, but I wouldn't go by Sullivan's word.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. I saw it and that was my first thought too

It was a stupid post and not representative of the better (and typical) thoughtful posts here.
Sullivan is an asshole extraordinaire.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

7. You think the tenor of this post is "fairly rare" here?

Goodness, you find posts like these all over the place here. The reason, it seems to me, is that we feel insulated here. You can mark my words right now: if things get bad for Bush, the right wing press will use whatever means they can to foster an us-versus-them mentality. This includes using posts from websites such as DU. This doesn't mean that we change at all; just be prepared to be used in this manner. Watch very closely for a mention or two (or perhaps an entire segment) on Faux. They will do it for two reasons: 1) to fire up their base; 2) to mark this site as both "radical" yet "typical" (and they love the fact that it's got "democratic" in the title).

I have good resources telling me that something of this nature is in the works. It's not a big "operation" but enough to let the people know about the "left's hatred" for Bush. First, watch for it come primary time. Then they'll see how it catches on. You may even see a regualr segment on Faux that highlights messageboards such as these, where they chronicle what's out there in "liberal cyber-space."

I say to them: bite me, you assclowns. Unlike chimpy, I have not overseen the execution of hundreds criminals, the death of thousands of innocent civilians (Iraqis, not 9/11), the death of hundreds of American citizens in a game of geo-political chess. I've simply called Bush a chimp, which is, of course, unfair to chimps, who are gentle and empathetic primates, and who can use language quite effectively.

[T Roosevelt]

9. Yes I do think it's rare

look how many posts are put on this board in a single day, and then imagine how many of them are like the example above. I think you have to look pretty hard to find ones like it. Now go check our "competitors" - you won't have to search very hard to find a dozen worse than this.

But let's not let that sidetrack us from the fact that Sully is a whore - and if you're reading Andy - you can quote me on that one. But it would probably be out of context anyway...

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

23. By rare, I'm assuming you mean:

"Of a kind seldom found, done, or occurring; few and far between." If this is the case, have you looked at the Bush twins thread? Perhaps you and I have VERY different quantifiable definitions of rare.

Or perhaps you mean a tertiary definition: "Unusually good, fine, or worthy; splendid, excellent."

"Rare" has nothing to do with what our "competitors" post.

And, yes, Sully is a whore--a definitional certainty.

[Cheswick2.0]

6. gee you are right on top of this

links to the original post and everything.

[OKNancy]

8. This is so typical of how these things work

Every single time someone says something outrageous like this and it gets repeated elsewhere, they never quote the many DU people who disagree.

If I for once thought that the majority of posters here would support those two child raping bastards, I'd be disgusted and wash my hands of DU forever. And that goes for the hotheads that say things like they wish the economy would be bad to get at Bush,and those who wish for the soldiers to die to get at Bush, and those that wish evil on the Bush children. When I see shit like that, I just figure the poster is young or isolated or not really a liberal.

I hope that posters who disagree with this kind of thing will speak up and not be intimidated by the loudmouths and the agitators.

[GumboYaYa]

10. Have you read the thread?

Most of us felt that this post was over the top and expressed that.

[OKNancy]

11. Yes I read the thread

and that is why I wrote what I wrote....that they never print the other side, only the initial post.

[Walt Starr]

17. I didn't post in that thread, but I do wish they were still alive

I think it would go a long way for the Iraqi peopl to be able to put Hussein and his thuggish sons and others in the regime on trial.

It would give the Iraqi people a true sense of closure.

[molly]

12. I don't like being referred to as "far left"

this is a site for ALL DEMS even DEMS that are not rational thinkers. Posts such as those give all of us a black eye and DU a bad name. I'd like to think that we THINK before we post a thread keeping in mind that we are not the only ones here.

[bicentennial_baby]

16. So...

you think we should practice self-censorship because of what people outside of DU might think?

[molly]

19. I think we should THINK of the consequences

most here disagreed with that post. It reflected rage - not rational thinking.

[Terwilliger]

25. how about those rich Indians, molly?

they still living high off the hog??

[SweetZombieJesus]

13. Yeah, and god knows how powerful Sully is

:eyes:

Seriously, Who the FUCK cares what that moron thinks of us, and what his equally stupid readers think about one post, particularly one that I thought wasn't that bad when compared to a few posts around here (particularly the one a while back that claimed the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was genocide).

The day I start giving a shit about what that simpleton Sully or any other right wing moron thinks of us is the day their precious Dubya successfully pronounces "antidisestablishmentarianism".

[SoCalDem]

14. Yep.. I lose sleep at night wondering what "Sully" is thinking about

not.....:)

[cosmicdot]

15. wow, some people go to great lengths

to do what they do do - whatever that is

just-in-general comment:

I think it was just a tongue-in-cheek comment, and seems to have been taken out of the intended context ... but, apparently someone has the time to comb through DU ... and, a post ends up on a "denbeste.nu" (where's nu?) blog, and then on Andrew Sullivan's website, and, of course, boomeranged back to DU ... wow

who cares what Andrew Sullivan thinks? I think his M.O. is to be purposely controversial - part of his self-marketing - I've observed him for quite awhile - going back to days seeing him bicycle around DC and dancing on the disco round


specific to opening thread comment:

"I have good resources telling me that something of this nature is in the works. It's not a big "operation" but enough to let the people know about the "left's hatred" for Bush."

do tell more - what resources?

could it be any worse or different than what the fair and balanced estate does now?

((grendel's uncle - as in Beowolf?)

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

20. Friends in low places.

Nothing major, just people here and there, people who hear this and that, from friends of friends. But go through my posts and see how close I've been every now and again. I'd like to say that my analysis of the media is spot-on, but some of it is aided by the tips I get. There's never anything specific or damning. Just a few people who see drafts of blast-faxes (on the copy-edit end) and give me snipets every once in awhile. I have to put the pieces together, read transcripts here and there to do so, but I can usually read where a message is going.

This is why I read right wing blogs and read transcripts of right wing news shows. They usually tip their hands very quickly as to where the message is going. Many, including Sully, aren't in "the loop" but manifest unintentionally where the message may or may not be going. I never meant to imply that Sully's an important person. I just thought some here would be interested. That's all. I didn't mean my post as a critique at all. I found his link interesting since I was turned onto the idea that the right might use the "fringe left" against the dems. in the primaries. The right will go to the patriot well every time. The "fringe right" is pretty well protected, since freakin' ANN COULTER is now considered mainstream.

And no where, NO WHERE, did I imply (not that you're accusing me of such a thing) that anyone needs to tone down the rhetoric. I couldn't care less. I think it's a stupid side-attraction, if it's ever used, for the likes of Faux. I think it just feeds their base.

And, yes, grendelsuncle is from Beowulf. Thanks for noticing/asking.

[Lex]

24. I take no joy in those 2 punks being killed.

It is a wretched situation and wretched results will follow. You can never "kill all the bad guys" which seems to be Smirk's philosophy (as it was in Texas too, come to think of it).

People on the left are PISSED OFF and understandably so. If all people were getting more of the facts (instead of CNN's 'infotainment', almost everyone would be just as pissed off. Look at the lies about Iraq's imminent threat to us, lies about the WMDs, and lies about chem & bio weapons. Look at the joblessness, the stock market, the precarious state of Social Security. Look at the money flowing out of this country to pursue this fictionalized "imminent threat."

The poster was just saying how this country is being brought to it's knees ("destroying America") by Smirk, just in a different way. Many people are starting to feel this too.

That's what Howard Dean's been saying and he's been rising in popularity. No, he might not feel Saddam is less evil than Smirk. But Smirk has certainly done more harm to THIS country than Saddam has. Now, hasn't he?

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

26. How about John Gibson's show?

It's been floated. I haven't seen the show, but I've asked around and people say it would be the PERFECT forum for this type of thing. 2 minute segment so he can rant (or have guests rant) about liberal clap-trap.

I think it would be funny seeing posts about "chimpy." "Chimpy," people, can you imagine "chimpy" being uttered on Faux. Priceless.