Will the murder of Saddam's sons...

[rhino91063]

Stop the killing of our troops?

[diplomats]

1. I don't know for sure

but I was under the impression they weren't behind the attacks.

[are_we_united_yet]

2. No I'm afraid.

It will probably accelerate in the short term. My guess is that others will get into the act.

And wouldn't one think that capturing these guys would have been better than killing them?

I mean couldn't they have led us to the WMD?

Oh, thats right, THEY DON'T F$CKING EXIST!!!

[FlashHarry]

3. I don't know if it's murder.

That implies a degree of innocence in the victims. I'm pretty convinced that both his sons were brutal sociopaths. Now, I'm not condoning their assasination. I think they should've been taken into custody. It doesn't seem like cricket to kill your enemies' leaders. Besides, they might've provided some decent intel.

I won't weep for them, however. The fourteen-year-old? Yes. That was murder.

[NNN0LHI]

6. Not so. If someone had harmed my family in any way, and I took the law...

...into my own hands and killed that person in cold blood, I would be charged with murder. There are documented cases of this very thing happening.

Don

[rhino91063]

9. While the Iraqi people may have had a right to kill them

bush had not right to murder them. What was the reason? Posession of WMDs?

[FlashHarry]

11. Still. It makes us sound like sympathizers.

Listen, I'm against killing, period. But words have meaning--murder is very different from assination, in my mind. I just don't want to add fuel to the Freeper fire. When people like Ann Coulter trash progressives as pro-Saddam, it's stuff like this that reinforces that image in the minds of lesser people.

[rhino91063]

15. Sorry

I saw not legitimate reason to invade Iraq. I see no legal or moral reason for bush to kill Saddam's sons. What international crimes were they tried and convicted of, that would allow the US to carry out a death sentence? So in my book it is murder. As for what right wing nuts think, the day I allow nazis like Coulter and the freepers intimidate me or censor what I say (or think), is the day I curl up and die!

[ButterflyBlood]

16. but it looks bad to the middle voters too

it's too easy for them to then say "see, they're pro-Saddam"

fact is, just say "kill", not "murder" which sounds sympathetic.

[rhino91063]

17. How quickly people forget

That the right wing nuts refered to Clinton and Reno as murders when those cop killing child molesters in Waco were killed in the siege.

[ButterflyBlood]

19. and that didn't look good to the centrists either

it works both ways, but at least try to not sound sympathetic.

[rhino91063]

28. I did not see a trial

I heard rumors floated by bush about these sons. Next thing I hear bush has had them murdered. If bush tried that sort of thing in this country, they would lock him up and through away the key. The problem is that he right wingers have set the stage for many of you. YOu play their game in their setting. I do not allow the right to dictate what I say or do.

[hlthe2b]

10. thank you... although I might have missed it...

you are the first to comment on the 14 year old son. While I suppose we can chalk him off as "collateral damage," somehow I'd think his death would give at least a few of the celebrators some pause. Having the building surrounded, could there not have been at least SOME attempt to wait them out (or as Bush likes to put it), "smoke them out?" The bottom line, I'm convinced is that they don't WANT to take them alive.

[FlashHarry]

13. Exactly.

It's like the Israelis using rockets to blow up an apartment building to assasinate a Hamas leader. You might get the 'bad guy,' but you kill 16 other people in the process. This ham-fisted approach is dangerous and only increases hatred.

[rhino91063]

14. I missed that info

A 14 year old was murdered while bush was trying to kill Saddam and his family. That is quite the tally. There was the families killed in the resteraunt bombings, the people in the vehicle convoy and now a poor innocent 14 year old. All so bush and gloat and declare he finally has his revenge on Saddam for trying to kill his daddy.

[ParanoidPat]

12. The term "murder" does not imply any "degree of innocence" in the victims.

Only the denial of their "due process" rights. :(
I won't weep for them either. I only mourn the death of our Constitution due to people who think it's OK to kill people who pose no 'imminent threat' to anyone without any form of trial. :evilfrown:

[naveride]

24. It wasn't murder

It wasn't murder. They were firing back at our troops with guns and RPGs before the helicopter shot its missle. Thanks to that no US troops were killed even though these two should have been among the most protected Baathists in the country. Obviously killling someone who is trying to kill you at the time is not murder.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

25. Question for you

I'm not weighing in on the murder vs. not-murder question.

Here's what I'm wondering: You said, "They were firing back at our troops with guns and RPGs before the helicopter shot its missle."

How do you know this?

[Fovea]

4. I doubt it.

If anything they will probably raise the stakes.

[ButterflyBlood]

5. of course not

unless you buy the right wing propaganda that the people are only attacking the troops because they're still scared of them.

[rhino91063]

7. I agree

We are being killed because we are hated and not wanted in their country. Saddam and his family is inconsequential. The murder does brighten the days of bush and his supporters though.

[caledesi]

8. Uh, no.

No flowers. No hugs. They still want us to get the f*ck out.

[Phatfish]

18. How again is this murder of his two sons?

From the reports given as of 6 pm EST, A somewhat sizeable unit approached the building where they were fired upon by small arms. They decided to retaliate with M16 fire and Humvee-mounted TOE (sp?) missles. I am happy they are dead and I feel bad that a child was put in the middle of this but if these reports are true, then I feel it is not the military's fault. It is the fault of the two sons for putting that child in that position. They knew that 200,000 enemy soldiers were looking for them.

[rhino91063]

30. This house was in Iraq right?

What right did US soldiers have to approach any house in Iraq????

[aquart]

20. I don't see how.

Saddam can't come back. He has no trusted seconds anymore.

Iraq will go to whomever evicts the invaders.

I can see weddings where the bride price is an American ear or nose or....you get the picture. What Iraqi can call himself a man if he hasn't killed an American?

And the Iraqi who kills so many Americans that they flee Iraq, that is the man among men.

So I don't think they'll stop killing us. I think they're just getting warmed up.

[diamond14]

21. shrub is teaching the Iraqis an American way of justice...

our "innocent until proven guilty" and our system of courts and justice is shown here in all it's glory....

just send in 200 soldiers from the 101st airborne with rockets, missiles and bombs...to kill 4 guys...one is a child, one is an old man, one is in a wheelchair...they were "charred"....American justice...no trial...how can we complain about saddam's justice when we go after 'suspects' like this ?....

even the nazis were bought to trial...so was milosovich, so was pinochet (to whom the British court showed mercy due to illness)....if some of the world's most brutal people can be brought to trial, why not saddam's sons ? why not set an example to the world ?....an example of justice, democracy...the fundamentals of trials and 'innocence until proven guilty'....

killing, murdering, assassinating...is not a good way to lead by example....there was a time when prisoners of war had certain rights, and my uncle was a prisoner in WWII...now, what have we done ?

[naveride]

26. naveride

You're right its exacly like American justice. If some police officers order a suspected criminal to surrender and he pulls out a gun and starts shooting at them, the officers should shoot him. Even more so if the military is finishing up a war, find the top enemy commanders and order them to surrender and they start shooting back the military should attack them. As for the 14 year old. I don't know whether the soldiers knew he was there or not, but I think that if you corner two of the top enemy commanders (and presumably best defended) and they run into a building and start shooting back its reasonable to assume that the people in that building are enemy military. I would have assumed that. I bet most of the people in the world would have assumed that.

[Proud_Lefty]

22. Another straw to grab for as Bush is drowning in B.S.

It's been absolutely amazing how all the usual suckers who can't think for themselves feel that this development is going to make Iraq so much safer. I'm just waiting for Cheney to proclaim that the rose petals are being picked and ready for throwing at American feet. I even had some freepers approach me at work with the great news. I'm always such the party pooper to express such little hope in our wonderful pResident.

Come on. We haven't done anything for any of the Iraqi people and the poor troops are the ones to face them and they have reason to be angry, with or without any Saddam loyalists. If they want the situation in Iraq to be safer for Americans, they'll bring our troops home, turn their oil wells back to them, and negotiate with big apologies to our former allies to help clean up the mess. (When what freezes over?)

[stopbush]

23. If I'm Robbing A Bank

and in the process I spot Osama bin Laden in the lobby and kill him, does that make the bank robbery legit?

So, Saddam and his sons tortured people. Aren't we doing that at Gitmo as we speak?

So, Saddam gassed his own people. Didn't we test biological weapons on our own population back in the Cold War? Aren't we (ie: bush) using DU in our weapons, causing own our soldiers - as well as our "targets," civilian and otherwise - untold illnesses for years after the fact? And, aren't we basically IGNORING those soldiers' illnesses? Aren't we cutting the very medical benefits that might help our own soldiers who we happen to be radiating?

An illegal war. Contempt for both international law and our own Constitution.

The bushies have no authority - lawful, moral or otherwise - to pursue any of their assassinations-disguised-as-war. And, BTW, I thought the war ended two months ago.

No, Saddam's sons were killed (if it's true) for many reasons from the cheap (give bush a boost in the polls and knock the corruption off the radar) to the diabolical (kill the witnesses to past BFEE activities).

Par for the course for this cabal of criminals.

[rhino91063]

27. Hey bush is guilty of murdering thousands of innocent Iraqis

Does that mean anyone that wanted to could kill him and people would simply say justice was done?

[Jacobin]

29. Um, check out LBN

It's getting worse.

I SHOCKED, I tell you, SHOCKED.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=072320030435&cp1=1

edited to add link