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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 08:55 PM
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Why have we agreed that they were Saddam's sons?
It seems like the media and even here, people have accepted that the identity of those people killed today to be Saddam's sons. How do we know this for sure? To me this smells like all of the other bullshit discoveries that they've pulled.

Even NPR reported it as fact.

As far as I know, there was a major firefight that ended up with three very charred bodies. They may not be able to do the DNA tests but the Pentagon says that it was the notorious Saddam boys.

Is the Pentagons word the only thing that we have as proof? If so, this is just another Bush campaign commercial. I WANT CONCRETE EVIDENCE!!!!!!!

No more rusted out trailers or bags of Castor beans. Show me the money or shut the fuck up!!!

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 08:58 PM
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1. Absolutely.
Mandatory DNA testing by someone independent of the Fraudministration.

Call it a case of the "boy who cried Wolf(owitz)one too many times", but I'm just finding this whole thing a little too convenient.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 08:58 PM
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2. I think it is all complete bullshit
public support for the invasion/occupation of Iraq is eroding so they have to show us some 'PROGRESS'.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 08:59 PM
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3. That building looked very burned out on the interior.
Yes. I'm very suspicious.

Al-Jazeera may come up with films that show them holding a New York Times of tomorrow's date...LOL
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bunnyhop Donating Member (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:00 PM
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4. What??? You want the media to ask questions???
They're paid to print whatever the GOP gives them.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:03 PM
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5. I dont beleive it for one minute!
With the series of lies, deception, and outright BULLSHIT, that

started out in Nov 2000, I have no reason to take what the WH,

Military, or the Press announces as the truth.

Of course the DNA evidence will come out positive...but then again

who will double check those results?

Dont take this for granted folks. The odds are that its part of the

fix.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:11 PM
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6. I was just thinking that
First red flag was that the mission went so flawlessly.

Next was that they were so positive so quickly.

Now I see that CBS, NBC and ABC all have one hour specials about the victorious mission that netted Saddam's boys, all ready to go and on the air now.

And don't forget the timing is perfect.

Its a pattern.

If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck and sounds like a duck . . .

Quack.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:16 PM
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8. And what will they say?
If that is Saddam's boys, and even end up getting Saddam himself. What will they say then if the Guerilla war continues and our people and their people keep getting whacked, day in, day out.
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Sick of Bullshit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:16 PM
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7. I believe them
After all, their record for getting "bad guys" is impeccable, right?

I mean, remember that tall guy that got hit by a drone missile while he was standing out in the field in Afghanistan? That was bin Laden, remember? Cheshire Cheney came out of his fund-raising hidey-hole to say so. Even though it turned out to be some poor villager.

But, hey, they got Saddam in that restaurant, remember? O wait, that wasn't Saddam, just some poor guy trying to make a living.

Well, they got those "terrorists" driving in that car in Bummfuq, Yemen, though, right? I mean, since they got hit, they HAD to be terrorists, right?

:crazy:
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:21 PM
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9. It will take a lot of convincing for me
to buy into it. If the interior of the building is burnt, were they planted there? It's been a strange day seems like some staging going on.
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:28 PM
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10. It would be a very dangerous move....
If the two sons showed up on a videotape, holding the NYT headline about them being dead, and experts concluded the tape was real?

The Bushies would look like complete fools. (Once again.) And so would the military. It 's entirely possible that these clowns could (once again) have made a big mistake, but making such a false claim deliberately would be dumb even for them. And the military is pretty uncooperative about looking dumb for Rumsfeld these days.

They will have to provide evidence to some institution credible in the Arab world--Al Jazeera or some such. Very probably, there wil be audio tapes purporting to be from the 'dead' sons. The Saddam loyalists will believe them, whatever the other evidence.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 10:12 PM
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14. But their scams have worked every time
They own the media and the media will protect them just like they have in the past.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:30 PM
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11. Forensic questions may go unasked/unanswered.
They cannot do a DNA test unless they have prior DNA samples for each brother, as well as a DNA sample from at least ONE of their parents.
DNA testing will take three days or more to get lab results.
DNA testing could establish two of the charred bodies were brothers/cousins, but that doesn't prove they were Hussein's children.

Here's another reason for the inexplicable six hour bombardment of 4 guys "putting up fierce resistance with handguns." - it could be they were captured earlier and tortured/interrogated in a manner that violated the Geneva convention and would be apparent unless their bodies would be destroyed by fire. A thorough autopsy by a truly independent and expert forensic pathologist could tell a lot - but that would require an international panel of forensic pathologists appointed by an organization like an international scientific group.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:52 PM
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12. Oh, they found their passports, unscathed, lying neatly on....
...a pile of rubble.

(kidding, of course, but hey---it worked on 9-11, didn't it?)
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 10:09 PM
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13. I agree. I see no reason to believe these are his sons
Way too convenient politically. Bush needed something real bad to get the sheeple waving their widdle flags. How many times have they pulled this bogus dead guy trick??
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