Why target the Red Cross?

[DeathvadeR]

I'm begining to think that this was a setup. It just doesn't make sense to make your selves out to look like the bad guy,killing your own people???There have been all these stratigic attacks and the the Red Cross? Granted they were helping more Americans then Iraqies.

[acmavm]

1. I think it's foreigners in general that they are attacking. They probably

perceive everyone and anyone working in Iraq as being someone who wants to further the American interests in the Middle East. A bad idea, and wrong. But when they have foreigners controlling your country, especially after some of them just blew it to hell, they're probably pretty touchy about it. And Middle Easterners see America as being a prime enabler of Israelis policies and actions in the Middle East. It surely doesn't help when we refuse to condemn Israelis building of that wall which will deprive even more Palestinians of the homes and land. No, I think they just see all westerners as being evil.

[IndianaGreen]

7. That's it, they want to drive all the foreigners out of Iraq.

It doesn't matter who they are or what they do.

The war never ended!

[Dirk39]

2. The UN was attacked before...

the people doing it simply would do everything to destabilize the situation. They want all of those NGOs, who support the people there, out - and only the US soldiers left. These people didn't care about their people under Hussein and they don't care about them now, they just want the situation to escalate. And in a way, Bushs' strategy is just the perfect counterpart. And on the other hand, the way the american soldiers are acting there, is very annoying to the people there: disrespectfull, ignorant and arrogant. The german TV did show some scenes during the last days that are unbelievable.
It really makes you think that americans only know how to kill and mistreat people.
If Bush or some guys in his administration have any brain left, they would simply do:
1) give the UN more power, more than they ever had, not one of those helpless teams just watching
2) make sure that noone will profit from the oil other than the Iraquis
3) give them a government, they can trust, not one of those marionett-regimes
4) get their troops out
You don't have to love Bush to hate these terrorists...., although the whitehouse has completely left reality:

"August 8, 2003, marks the hundredth day since the end of major combat operations in Iraq. Results in Iraq: 100 Days Toward Security and Freedom" stupidhouse

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[DeathvadeR]

6. I do remeber the UN attack. Also still debating that one as well.

It seems very clear that wihtout some sort of Caos, The US would have less of a reason to stay. Less of a reason to ask for more money, Less of a reason to continue to shovel money in Halliburtons lap, less of a reason to keep troops over there to continue the PNAC project............. What better way then to make them look like bad guys in the process.

[Dirk39]

11. The last months have shown...

-at least this is my conclusion - that it is dangerous to think that those poor PNACs have any kind of masterplan they follow. They might have some comicdisney-masterplan in their books, but reality is quite different. I'm pretty much convinced that the situation they face now in Iraq wasn't prepared at all and don't serve their intentions at all. PNAC is a pretty stupid theory, but the practise of someone in the white house, whose trying to put it into the real world is even more stupid. They don't profit from the chaos. If there wouldn't be terrorists and old comrades of Hussein fighting, now, they would look 1000 times better. They would just say: we don't need the U.N. Look: we give them food, we give them jobs, we recreate their infrastructure, we give them healthcare, they love our troops. Little Jon Boy George W. would just be so proud of himself. Look what Georgie Boy want to be proud of:

"Nearly all Iraqi children have finished their exams from last year and are ready to start a new school year in the fall. All universities are reopened." link

Believing in them, directing everything and being the mastermind behind whatever is happening is just doing them a favour, they don't deserve.

Dirk

[Djinn]

14. If these are foreign fighters/terrorists

which there's evidence to suggest atleast a lot of them are then basically they couldn't care less about the people of Iraq - just like they all flocked to Afghanistan to fight the holy war - regardless of the wishes of those living there.

It's something Al Qaeda and the Bush admin have in common - couldn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqi people

Interestingly even those guerilla attacks directed at US soldiers and perpetrated by Iraqis are referred to as Terrorist attcks by the White House? How under ANY definition can taking up arms against an occupying foreign army that was not invited by the people of said occupied nation - be terrorism??

[Dirk39]

20. Seems to be a mix of fomer elite solidiers of Hussein and...

foreigners, mostly from Syria. German T.V. has shown an interview with one of the fighters yesterday evening.
But aside, what those american soldiers do there is just so completely stupid. If they would only act violent, 'cause they are afraid to be attacked, it would be only human. But it's much more. They showed a family of Iraquis today, all with plastic bags on their heads in their underwear and american soldiers joking on them and making disrespectfull comments all the time, while they had arrested them for false reasons.
They march through the churches with their shoes on...

Before, it was shown how american soldiers simply destroy a garden full of plants, belonging to some Iraquis. The german reporters went to Bremer, to ask him about this: no comment. They asked officers: no comment. Nothing could be more suicidal and destructive right now than this.
Dirk

[DrWeird]

3. I think it was down the street from the red cross.

But hey, if the US can blow up ambulances why not the Iraqis.

[DeathvadeR]

9. True..

It's OK for the US to kill innocent civillians and have friendly fire incidents in battle, but not the Iraqies? When it happens to them, Well turn on your tv, It's all Red cross this and Red Cross that.
ANd just how close was the Red cross to the 2 Police stations anyways? Sounds like the Iraq police stations are still using saddam tactics by stationing themselves next to innocent civilians and hospitals, Whats next police stations in the mosques????

[mikehiggins]

4. CIA FRONT

Many third world nations, and many activists, beleive the Red Cross is a front for the U.S., just like the U.N. Don't forget, there have been reports that several of the U.N. inspectors were actually agents for the CIA themselves.

If you are striking out at all things American, hitting the Red Cross makes perfect sense.

[elfin]

5. Maybe because so many of their vehicles still have a CROSS on them

instead of a crescent. They are calling this the "international" Red Cross, instead of the "Red Crescent" as it is in most Muslim countries. While I saw some pics with the crescent on their vehicles, I saw many more with the cross.

This in addition to trying to keep anyone else out so it remains a solely US Brit occupation - easier to inflame followers against.

There MUST be a truly significant international presence including other Muslim countries (except maybe for Turkey) to defuse this.

Just heard Clinton on CSpan saying the best way was forit to be the UN with NATO implementation to take over -- and Dole agreed saying "I'd vote for that."

[EX-CONservative]

21. When in Rome...

As, ummm, guests of Iraq, we are obligated to follow the customs. They want to be treated with respect like any person does.

Our soldiers lost friendly locals by using search dogs which is very insulting...

The clusterfuck continues...

[alcuno]

8. Someone was on earlier who said Osama had warned of this.

That in his last broadcast statement, he had made a reference to an attack against those who display the cross. The guy said that at the time that was thought to be the occupiers, but it may now have been the Red Cross. Can't answer why.

[DeathvadeR]

10. It is a holy war right???

Why not target the cross then?

[EX-CONservative]

22. Things are worse...

While Hussein was treacherous, he was the glue holding Iraq together. He was sort of like Josip Broz Tito in that respect.

Iraq is now gonna have a 3-way civil war and it's all our fault. :cry:

[KaraokeKarlton]

12. Because they want to drive aid agencies out of Iraq

If they do that, they can incite more fundamentalists by claiming that Iraqis are suffering. This is an attempt to drive agencies like the Red Cross out of Iraq and make the US look bad. Granted, Bush already does that well enough without the terrorists doing anything at all...but they do have a lot at stake in preventing Iraq from getting any level of normalcy.

[lapauvre]

13. In a muslim country....

Long ago, the Red Crescent was established.  Errrrrr?
The Red CROSS, I repeat, CROSS, is as defiling to muslims as
the Red Crescent would be in Omaha.

Wake up.  There ARE different cultures.  The world did not end
with the Bible.  And it did not begin with the Bible.

Respect!  Respect!  Respect!  Awareness!  Awareness! 
Awareness!

We are not in a world defined by Falwell, or Boykin, or
Robertson, or Ashcroft, or the idolatry given to the Christian
Right's supported candidate or party.  We need to be in the
"real world."  Economic globalism is not the last
word.

Money, money, money, money, and on forever, greed, greed,
greed, and on forever, is the exhibited interest of both
Republican and Democratic elected.  I hate, really hate, at my
age, to be an anti-establishment person/voter, because it is,
or should be, something America has overcome long ago.

But I have to hear some justice for oppressed people out of
the democratic party, or I will just vote ABB. 

PS. I have just been cut off, not for the first time, three
times.
I could not finish my post.

I am known on Political Chat and by exploring rooms not
favored by Ashcroft.  I am not a conspiracy theorist, but the
blocking is just a bit much.  A site known as evote was
impossible to use progressively, and before I could explore
it, I was inundated with msn ads one after the other.  Until I
had to leave the site.  So what are YOU reading in the
library?

[QC]

16. There's a mosque in my town, and I do not feel defiled by it.

My doctor is a Muslim, as have been a number of my students over the years, and I do not feel defiled by them.

Religious prejudices are no more worthy of respect than any other prejudices. Blowing up an aid agency just sucks, period. There's no need to make excuses for it.

[DeathvadeR]

19. I'd agree....

It's bullshit to target such institutions. Regardless of who did it. I'm just not quick to rule out the US at this time.

[EX-CONservative]

23. Interesting...

All the human rights groups are being drummed out!

Could this be the beginning of a psychotic purge or anyone who farted the wrong way at Americans? It's all to convenient. :scared:

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[seventhson]

17. Welcome LePauvre

Used to happen to me all the time.

Keep at it. They have bigger fish to fry and if you waste too much of their time and don't get discouraged they move on.

The bigger CIA dudes are sick to hell of Bush and his asshole partners in idiocy and crime so they will let you go if you just keep at it.

[DeathvadeR]

18. So who made the decision to us the cross again?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Sounds like a clear attempt at inticing some caos to me.

[seventhson]

15. To Enable Bush. This was clearly a BFEE bombing

Seen " A quiet American"

Hell, they figure, millions will die.

If we win then fewer of US die.

Bomb the red cross so Americans see how vile THEY are and we get our 87 Billion.

[Dirk39]

24. Gotta love this:

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[DinahMoeHum]

25. If it had been displayed with the Red Crescent. . .

maybe the place would not have been attacked.

:grr: