The Unseen Elephant In The Room (POLL)

[Zhade]

Bush will lose in 2004 due to the desire of the corporate elite to replace him, and we should be focused tightly on uncovering who the CE intends to replace Bush with.

[quaker bill]

1. This seems more and more likely everyday

Rightwingers are peeling off the Bush* pResidency. He is beginning to lose votes in the Senate.

The man has painted himself into a corner. What is he going to try to get out of it, more war? (probably) more tax cuts? (probably) The problem is that these just don't sell on the polls like they used to.

Over time as it becomes clear that Shrub is a dead end for them, they will seek out another vessel. I am suprized that so far no challenge from the right has materialized. It could still happen.

They may just try to co-opt a corporate leaning dem. Either way it bears keeping an eye on.

[Flaming Meaux]

24. It's not critical yet.

Let Shrub's approval rating go below 40% and you might see it happen. Otherwise, the GOoPers are all good team players who will go with Shrub all the way.

[blm]

2. Well, what Dem does the corporate media push the most?

That could be a clue.

[Skwmom]

3. The way I look at it. Any Dem the corporate media pushes

can't be good for the American people.

[seventhson]

8. The corporate media is pushing Clark and Kerry

But they have to amazedly report on Dean's success.

[blm]

9. AHAHAHAHAHA....The only time they talk about Kerry is to bring up Dean

and the horserace. Only someone completely skewed against Kerry could accuse him of getting most of the coverage let alone positive coverage from the media.

They try to bury Kerry at every opportunity. They have been for over 30 years.

[unblock]

4. dow DOWN

when was the last time a president ended his first term with the dow lower than when he started?

that's right, herbert i started the depression hoover.

the dow need to rise another 12% just to break even with where it was when he took office.

[w4rma]

5. Presidents and Job Growth (Job Loss in Hoover's and Bush's cases)

[DrBB]

6. Because what could be more helpful than to crank up the witch-hunt

...atmosphere around here? Ah yes, the quintessential leftist electoral strategy: slaughter our own so the other side doesn't have to trouble themselves.

I have my share of cynicism but I guess I don't reach for the tinfoil as easily as some around here. The question seems to suggest that getting favorable treatment in the media disqualifies any candidate. That's just silly. Can I gently point out that favorable media coverage is kind of essential to getting elected? As successful electoral strategies go, this sounds like a good suicide pact.

[Zhade]

13. Oh, for the love of God.

Seriously, get a grip. I'm not tinfoiling here. I'm asking a reasonable question.

What corporate high-rollers - the same people, mind you, who bankrolled Bush to set themselves up quite nicely - are going to keep around someone who will destroy the economy, thus destroying their sweet deal?

[JNelson6563]

19. not you

I wasn't referring to you. It was a generalization as I don't want to start flame wars.

Think about this though, regarding the back-up plan: Arrogance. Throughout this nightmare in our history the arrogance has been palpable. It has been and continues to be the achilles heel.

They didn't have a back-up plan becasue they didn't think they needed one. Ever. They were in. Got the courts the Congress and the WH. Better than being king even!

They are in a panic now.

In my earlier post where you asked who I was referring to, that would be the folks who so misread the situation. They think the BFEE is sitting around, relaxed and assured and not sweating election '04. I don't see it that way at all. I also think that the candidates whose campaigns are rocking in a big way heighten the fear of those currently in power.

Of course, supporters of candidates whose campaigns have not picked up much steam see it differently. ;-)

In the end, if we all work together for the same goal we'll be unstoppable. Here's to a mature unity! :toast:

Julie

[seventhson]

7. Clark, Kerry. Leiberman are the BFEE alternatives to Bush

There is NOTHING wrong with saying it.

It does NOT hurt these candidates in the general to SAY it (because right leaning dems will vote for them anyway - onlyu left leaning dems may stay home and THAT is unlikely too - we know the stakes)


Kerry WAS the BFEE candidate but hew was getting stomped so thay HAD to get Clark in.

He will get stomped too.

By Dean

Dean and Edwards will win.

Our chief worry should be that the VP candidate is not the BFEE selection which will ensure the assssination of Dean

This is what might have happened if Al Gore had won. Wellstoned.

So my candidate for VP is the winning ticket who is anticorporate from down home and from way back: Edwards.

They are not a perfect ticket but they are they are the perfect ticket to beat the BFEE.

No Clark

No Kerry

No Lieberman

YES YES YES to DEAN!!!!


And there is nothing wrong with saying it loud and clear.

Now flame me you bfee supporters ;)

[TennesseeWalker]

10. VERY nice. Anyone who disagrees with you is BFEE.

We need you in the "New Liberal Media". You would kick some Republican azz.

[Julien Sorel]

21. Yes, that's why the Right Wing hate machine

has been going full out against Clark since the moment he announced, while blowing kisses at Dean.

Let's see, the world accoding to 'seventhson':Kerry was going to assassinate Gore and take over the presidency; Clark was going to do the same to Dean; and both Kerry and Clark are members of the 'BFEE,' despite a complete lack of evidence for this, and in fact, a rather copious amount of evidence that the opposite is true.

Too bad they have these foolish rules against 'personal attacks' here; some people deserve nothing but personal attacks. Then again, some people attack themselves by the mere act of posting.

[ozone_man]

25. Yes, as far as I can tell.

Dean/Edwards may be the winner and the best for Dean's safety.

I think there is sometimes confusion as to some of Dean's pro-business experience, which includes utility and IBM dealings, but this is from a practical basis of getting things done and keeping jobs (IBM) in the state. He is not one of the corporate elitists, bought and paid for by insiders (witness his grass roots contributions and low dollars per contribution).

[yellowdawgdem]

11. the elephant is getting bigger and bigger

so while they want to replace him, it will not be so easy. I don't think Kerry is their pick, and think he would be a safe choice. Dean seems safe also, in spite of Rove's remark ("that's the one we want .")
It seems to me that Clark could be one of theirs- he's been in the loop for a long time, and might've brokered a deal.
If Lieberman were one of their picks, he might be doing better, getting more coverage. I think Leiberman, despite his alleged conservatism, is more of a moderate dem, and would move more to the left given the nomination.
I hate to sound really paranoid, but I agree with the person who worried that if the bfee pick were running as vp, there could be an assassination. I hope that isn't getting way out there, but once that slime attaches itself, it's really hard to scrape it off.

[JNelson6563]

12. Frankly I don't think they have

a second choice lined up. They didn't foresee the disastor Jr's reign would be. They are unprepared. I feel sorry for those among us who are so clueless as to not sense the panic and fear coming from the GOP these days.

Julie

[Zhade]

14. Not sure who you're referring to.

Obviously not me, as I am well aware of both.

I do think it's asking a lot to think that the corporate elite wouldn't have a back-up plan. At the same time, perhaps they did, and it's already failing.

[Selwynn]

15. Why would they want to replace him?

A "bad" economy for the working class isn't necessarily a "bad" economy for the "elite." Bush has done little but give corporations everything they could possibly want. Why would they want to get rid of him?

[rman]

18. he has become to controversial

Bush and the neocon gang obviously can't muster enough support amongst the US people. Also many businesses are not happy about what's happening to the economy.
Bush is expendable anyway and the neocons can keep exerting influence from behind the scenes, some can probably stay in lower positions in the admin.
I think they won't give up, just do a tactical retreat.

[eauclaireliberal]

16. What was the question?

That Bush will lose in '04 "...due to the desire of the corporate elite to replace him, and we should be focused tightly on uncovering who the CE intends to replace Bush with."?

Good luck. Most of the cretins he's been giving our money to are on their way out where U.S. laws can't touch them.

That being said, when his ratings get this low, you would be well advised to stay out of tall buildings. Don't put that possibility past them.

[zeemike]

17. They are happy with Bush

And I don’t think they have any intent to replace him.
But they do have a plan B that includes rigging the election to make it a “close victory” for W.

[yellowdawgdem]

20. the fear and panic

that you have mentioned, yes that's clear. It's clear that they are having too many failures- the war in Iraq being the biggest, maybe. But isn't it a bigger worry on our part that they might do something quite extreme to hold onto their power. I mean, they are in a big panic, and I think that is my biggest worry at the moment. That they will do anything rather than relinquish power.

[Julien Sorel]

22. This is paranoid nonsense.

I interact with people who are at a very high level in the corporate world; one of them is a confidante of Bush, and has helped his administration with several policy issues. Unless these people are incredibly good actors, they are behind Bush 100%, and are donating money to his election campaign at a record pace. That must be a smokescreen, though -- they really want him to lose, and the donations are just a cover.

You do realize that by propagating this kind of foolish trash, you are giving a black eye to the legitimate opposition? Or maybe you don't care?

[Atlant]

23. A possibility: Bush will be "assassinated".

I've made the claim elsewhere that I believe there is non-zero probability that Bush will be "assassinated by terrorists" before
the 2004 election. Cheney would then, of course, step up, appoint
a new VP, and immediately resign for health reasons, citing his
defective ticker and his desire to spend his last days "with his
family".

And the new Republican appointee, citing the recent martyrdom of
the Great Fallen Hero of the Republic, would win in a landslide,
just through the sympathy/solidarity/saphead vote.

Atlant

NOTE: This note in no way advocates harm to any current or future
persons. I merely note a possibility.

[JackRiddler]

28. My nightmare of the day...

Have been thinking BushCo. set themselves up for a hard fall by scheduling the Coronation in September in New York City.

There will be more than a million people minimum out to wreck the convention, in the city in which Bush is most hated, and with every incentive to attack the shameless exploitation of 9/11 - not to mention the official 9/11 story.

Have often thought this might be a good reason to have a new terrorist spectacular before then.

Today, however, I thought this might instead be a reason to fold on Cheney and bring in - hold yr. hats - Giuliani.

Shite!

[Tinoire]

26. The results of this poll are...suprising...

Why would so many vote no?

Could it be that the supporters of the candidate most likely to be the Corporate Elite's replacement for Bush just want everyone to blindly endorse that/those candidate(s) when he's thrust as "The Contender"?

How very telling. How chilling that we have people on this board who would vote that there is no need to look for this!

[eileen_d]

27. That's not what the vote says, necessarily

The question was "do we need to focus on" - perhaps other people are choosing to place their primary focus elsewhere. The question itself was so vague to me that I didn't vote.

As for tryinmg to second-guess the corporate elite, I think it's good to keep an eye on who supports which candidates, but overall that kind of guessing game is not really worth my time.