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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:28 AM
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:39 AM
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1. they dont give a stuff about the Congo
and they dont give a stuff about Iraq.

theyr'e lying, moralising hypocrits and they make me feel sick.

and that goes for Ann Coulter and the whole hideous evil bunch.

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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 10:57 AM
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11. Since when do Republicans care about Blacks?
Now if the were WHITE CHRISTIANS, the BS from the GOP would be never-ending!
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 01:25 PM
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20. Isn't Bush pushing for money for treatment of AIDS in Africa?
Edited on Sat Oct-25-03 01:26 PM by conservdem
I do not think you are completely correct with your generalization.

On edit: BTW would you support military intervention over there?
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:46 PM
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22. Money for Africa
when I see the very small amount of money for Africa,compared to the money for Israel its disguasting,our country can give more money to 1/1000,(Israel),a very small bell belligerent country,yet we let women and children starve on the continent of Africa,and our leaders pay only lip service to the hunger and misery taking place every day.SHAME,SHAME ON YOUR PARTIES BOTH DEMWITS AND PEPUGS,I listen to the song "God bless america" every day,I ask when are we going to do something that shows God how grateful we are for the abundance we have been blessed with,and yet we want more?I hope God will open the eyes of our people before its too late.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:42 AM
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2. Yeah! If they're so upset about how Sadam treated his people...
...then you would think their outrage would be double for this!

Where the *#(@ is their outrage?

Sadly, you're right - they were just ACTING outraged...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 07:45 AM
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3. Selective moral outrage
Too bad Congo isn't sitting over a huge world oil reserve. We would see the moral outrage issue meter going over the top were this true.
Hypocrisy is too kind a word for these slugs.
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DocSavage Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 09:00 AM
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4. How About
The outrage from ourside. Where is Jesse Jackson, the candidates? Where is the UN? Seems to me that we could be doing a little more about this also.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 09:27 AM
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5. seems to me you may be viewing thru a corp. media filter, UN is there
Jesse has been on this, DUers have been on this.

Just because it is not reported doesn't mean that is the reality.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 01:14 PM
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17. I agree with DocSavage. Dems can do more about this.
I have heard very little about this and nothing from the Dem candidates. They may have addressed it, but not enough to get it on the media.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 09:30 AM
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6. Smart hypocrites, too.
The Congo's a mess, and a lot larger than Rwanda, Liberia, Uganda, or the Ivory Coast, which we also tried studiously to ignore.

No particular bad guy to point to as The World's Worst and Most Dangerous Dictator.

No oil. No cocaine suppliers. No terrorists.

Nothing but trouble, vast expense, and massive casualties from war and disease over there. Just let it be, since only a couple dozen Americans seem to know about it, or care.

It's only Africa, after all. Who gives a shit about Africa?

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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 02:32 PM
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21. No Oil? Not true--275,000 barrels per day....
I doubt if the place is swimming in the stuff like Iraq but 275K barrels per day is quite a bit. Get Halliburton in,it could be like a little Kiosk country to them.

David
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pandatimothy Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 09:57 AM
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7. Uhhhhh the French are in the Congo
Edited on Sat Oct-25-03 09:58 AM by pandatimothy
Why should we be there? The EU and the UN is handling it.

If you say the US should go into the Congo thats tantamount to saying the French can't do dick and need our help.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 10:07 AM
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8. We should do something about it because...
...with great power, comes great responsibility. That's what Uncle Ben used to say.

And the US's hands are NOT clean in the congo.

On 17th January 1961 Patrice Lumumba, first and only elected Prime Minister of Congo, was murdered. The circumstances of his death remained a mystery, the identity of his killers unknown.

Now, forty years later, fresh scrutiny of documents held in government vaults and the testimony of those who were there at the time reveal a story of international intrigue and betrayal.
...
"I recognised him as he walked towards my car, but when he told me what they wanted done I was totally, totally taken aback", says Devlin now. "Joe from Paris" was better known as the CIA's chief technical officer, Dr Sidney Gottlieb. He had brought with him a special tube of poisoned toothpaste. Devlin's job was to get the toothpaste into Lumumba's bathroom.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/974745.stm
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 10:09 AM
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9. google Lumuba...
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wrkclskid Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 10:55 AM
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10. I agree that the repukes are being hypocrites about this
But I gurantee you that if Bush decided we should intervene, their would be at least a handful of DUER's saying that Bush is lying about the situation in the Congo just because it was a war, or because it was Bush who was proposing it.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 01:19 PM
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19. Unfortunately, you are probably right about that.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 11:04 AM
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12. Save the world
I think this thread is both useful and unfair simultaneously.

Are you calling for solving the world's problems? If so, the right will agree with you. If you want to put American troops around the world, they will agree with that too. But to do that, defense spending will increase, we will have a draft...and much of the world will stay the same.

So they prefer to pick nations that they think will help the U.S.

But there is tons of rotten stuff around the world and neither we nor the UN can solve it all. I'd like to try some, but in reasonable amounts.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 11:13 AM
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13. That's not true
Their policy is not to interfere in other countries unless there is a 'U.S. interest' being threatened. They most certainly don't believe in the U.S. solving the world's problems. They don't believe in 'nation building'. It's the reason we look so damn hypocritical and greedy all the time. We only get involved when there's a 'U.S. interest' and that interest is usually oil.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 01:13 PM
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16. U.S. interests
Is not necessarily a stupid policy. Otherwise, we legitimately could be sending troops to every corner of the globe -- to the hottest hot spots.

But there is also a moral consideration, so I would like to see us do more.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 12:47 PM
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15. Causing the world's problems: CIA has dirty hands in the Congo
Read up on it if you don't know.

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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 01:14 PM
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18. So how long do you blame nations
Should Britain still be involved in India, Pakistand, China, etc. because of its past too?

I think we should indeed do something, but I think your rationale is pretty thin.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 12:07 PM
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14. That's exactly right, they are huge stinking hypocrites. For me
the evil little simpleton's UN speech sealed. The sex slave trade or slave trade in general is a serious issue, an estimated 27 million human beings, women and children being a large portion of them, have been trafficked and force into slave labor, sexual or otherwise. What the supreme idiot failed to mention was a state department list of countries known to have had over 100 human beings trafficked within their border last year, yep the US made the list along with our so called allies being the usual suspects, Israel, Turkey etc. Who did not make the list, you guessed it, Iraq. But I am quite sure with the alarming rate of women and children being kidnapped in Iraq since the beginning of this criminal war, Iraq will make the list next year. That's right spreading our version of crime and freedom.
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