Hardball thread.....Graham, Spectre, Dayton, Lindsay

[grasswire]

some new info coming out

[grasswire]

1. will he qualify his remarks...

....on the impeachment word?

[grasswire]

2. also Saxby Chambliss & Lindsay Graham

WHAT?? No additional democrats???

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Saxby Chambliss and Lindsey Graham

make me dyspeptic.

[grasswire]

7. Dayton: SOTU tip of the iceberg

Kewl

[PaDUer]

3. Arlen's going to be

on also...interested in what he has to say--his seat's going to be challenged next time around...

[Cush]

5. Matthews isn't buying it

"WHo led this man, Joseph, to include in this info?"

Looks like Chris thinks there is more to this

[Terwilliger]

8. not buying it, but NO ALTERNATIVE VIEWPOINT

Tweetys asking questions that can be deflected and deferred.

DEMS SHOULD BREAK INTO THE STUDIO AND CALL FOR WAR CRIMES TRIBUNALS!!

[Terwilliger]

6. bob graham did ok, but....

:shrug:

[proud patriot]

12. So Far 3 repukes squirming and one Dem speaking up

Grrrrrrrrrrr...

[PretzelWarrior]

9. Sen. Dayton is doing well to further question beyond SOTU.

I believe that other dork is so moronic to say "we need to remember the bad guy is Saddam--not Bush."

Nice logic. If Saddam = Bad then Bush Not= Bad. Whatever. Applied similarly, If Hitler= Bad, then Stalin = Not Bad.

BULL BULL
Bush = evil, bad, low class, callow, idiot, monkey, embarrassment, gone in 04

[Terwilliger]

13. Dayton needs to step up!

Where's Kennedy? Where's Byrd?

[Cush]

10. Mentions Cheney again

He said that he had recently talked to WIlson, who said that Cheney HAD been informed about the documents.

Matthews is really pushing the Cheney angle on this story

[grasswire]

14. Lindsay looks very nervous

while hitting the talking points.

[Terwilliger]

11. OH CRAP! Arlen Specter: founder of the "magic bullet" theory

:nuke:

[Cush]

15. Keep Spinning CHambliss

Saying the Admin never made the nuke question a big part of their case for war.

[grasswire]

17. Tweety said...

...that Joseph was also responsible for the aluminum tubes accusation in SOTU.

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

18. looks like Saxo didn't get this afternoon's talking points --

because nukes is about the ONLY thing Dubya mentioned in his press conference w/Blair!

[PretzelWarrior]

19. love a guy who calls an amputee Vietnam vet "unpatriotic"

what a bloated bullsh!tting loser. worst thing I saw today was that ugly f@ck who took Wellstone's seat after the plane took a dive and no investigation took place afterward.

[EAMcClure]

26. Wasn't the smoking gun a mushroom cloud?

Sounds to me that while the Intelligence committee may not have cared about nukes... the citizens they are representing apparently did care, otherwise Bush wouldn't have made the mushroom cloud statement.

These kinds of prevarications don't resound, which is good.

Richard Shelby can blame it on the election season all he wants, and every body else can deflect and dissemble. This news has all the smell of something HUGE.

[proud patriot]

35. Welcome Underground EAMcClure

:hi:

[lkinsale]

16. oh, bosh,"the nuclear theat was never put out as the main reason!"

What was all that talk about mushroom clouds?

We're just supposed to forget they said that now. They "really" meant chemical weapons.

I think Chris is pushing them pretty hard, myself. He seems to be fairly dismissive of the excuses.

[grasswire]

20. specter's up

nobody in Pennsylvania's talking about this. They're talking about guerilla warfare. Dems are politicizing the war.

[grasswire]

21. Richard Shelby up now

Matthews: is the issue the cost and the toll?

Shelby: no, it's the political season driving the issue.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Arlen Specter

sounds and talks like Howard Sprague from the old Andy Griffith show.

[grasswire]

24. 5 pugs to 1 Dem?

What kind of balance is that??

[sham]

31. are the Dems boycotting Tweety?

after his treatment of Dennis Kucinich the other day?

[PaDUer]

40. He's shit!

and he just screwed himself now!

[Cush]

23. Oh man, they're saying the same thing

Its political season.....etc

Keep trying

[grasswire]

25. Dayton

No, a search for the truth is driving this.

Lindsey Graham: It's the political season.

[grasswire]

28. Lindsey

Gee! We found a centrifuge in someone's back yard!!

[lkinsale]

27. All they have to say to defend themselves is, "It's political"

That won't fly.

[grasswire]

32. Spectre says...

...we ought to get to the bottom of it.

Shelby: we always need the truth. Tenet is accountable. Who vetted the speech?

[grasswire]

33. Bob Graham coming up

....from New Hampshire.

[Cush]

29. Dayton: Evidence was always questioned.

Even back during the debates, he had heard from the CIA and others that things were exaggerated.

Goppers keep referring to the past....so sad.

How sad for the GOPpers, one Democrat made them look like complete idiots.

[Terwilliger]

30. They picked Dayton on PURPOSE

Nothing against Dayton, but they had 4 Repukes allayed against him. They needed Kennedy! They needed Feingold! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Cush]

36. he made them look stupid

He talked about evidence was questioned, even during the debate.

Everytime he said something, they just kept repeating themselves and each other.

[grasswire]

37. yeah, that was RATTY!!

It looked as if they had grabbed Graham and Specter and trotted them to Statuary Hall in a big hurry.

[Terwilliger]

56. and Shelby!! So Tweety had enough people there to PUT DOWN

the questioning Dems...tweety acquiesced

[PaDUer]

42. set up!

You can bet there's lots going on atop the hill tonite! Take these bastards down now..and let the pukes all hang..they've been jumping ship one by one, Karen Hughes...what's she writing??!!

[Terwilliger]

34. There it is folks...going STRAIGHT under the rug!

The media will calm down now

[grasswire]

39. I don't think so

Not at all. The big Mo is just beginning to roll.

It will be interesting what the broadcast networks have to say tonight.

[proud patriot]

41. Senator Bob Graham coming up next ..

Hopefully He'll get some time in ...

[lkinsale]

38. Heh, Bob Graham is so cute in the trailer

He IS kinda goofy looking, I'll admit. After watching that vain, I'm-so-noble-and-brave Bush jack**s, it's a nice change.

[grasswire]

45. Nora O'Donnell

Joseph wanted the line to say Iraq trying to buy 500 tons. CIA negotiated milder line.

It raises a whole number of questions for WH.

Should Rice accept responsiblity??

Tweety: supporters fingering CIA
critics of war fingering WH

Nora: there will be an inspector general from CIA who delivers a report next week.

This is not over, and it is a bipartisan investigation.

Tweety: may not have been the work of this one man.

Nora: WH will not allow staff to testify.

[FlashHarry]

46. I like her.

I saw her hold her own against Fineman the other night. Plus, and I hate to say it, she's kind of cute. BTW, why the hell is Bob Graham standing in front of a NASCAR Truck?

[lkinsale]

58. He's sponsoring a NASCAR truck, and it's WON BIG

Senator's Race Truck Starts Last, Ends First

This is big stuff among southern Dems. Very astute campaigning for a guy who connects extremely well with rural voters.

[kentuck]

64. She's a fox....and smart too..

A rare combination. :)

[grasswire]

47. Bob Graham

1. Pres ought to be enraged

2. He should be asking who should be held accountable. Nobody was held accountable after Sept. 11

3. Pres should get on board the reforms advocated by Congress.

[grasswire]

49. Graham

the greatest evil was not Hussein. What I was afraid was going to happen has happened. Al Queda has regrouped. Which was the greater danger? By giving Americans the idea that Iraq was close to nuclear capability, the information was skewed.

[grasswire]

Graham:

We're less secure.

Tweety: Bush said we're going to find WMD. Won't that kill your arguments?

Graham: I hope we do find them. Our credibility is significantly eroded. But it isn't just finding WMD. It's finding WMD that posed an imminent threat. 45 minutes, etc.

Tweety: Are there still weapons in Iraq that could be used quickly against us?

Graham: If they find them, their strength will be strengthened. I hope they do.

Tweety: you will be wrong if they find the WMD with imminent threat.

Graham: No. The greater threat has slipped away.

[FlashHarry]

55. Tweety actually said, 'clearly stated.'

And wished him luck in NH. Amazing.

[GBD4]

72. Well done

I just caught the 11 p.m. replay after missing the 7 p.m. episode and I thought Graham kept very calm under the interviewing and I admit Chris was much friendlier to Bob than to Kucinich. Graham's had a steady view of this war since before the war resolution and he's been consistent. He said on Hardball his 9/11 report will be out next Thursday, I hope Dubya sticks to that release date, it should bring to light much of the Graham campaign's statements and accusations.

[PaDUer]

51. They'd be enraged if

it had Clinton's dick on it somewhere..I'd really like to know what Clinton and the poodle discussed and how quickly the poodle turned his back to side w/ the scums! I have a feeling Hillary's working overtime on this one and hasn't said a word as yet today on this.

[Cush]

43. Condi Mentioned!!

Norah O'Donnell mentioned that some are wondering how Condi factors in. WHy didn't she check it over?If Tenet is to blame, why not her?

On Edit: THey would like to chat with the VP and his staff, but they know the odds are slim

[EAMcClure]

44. The Robert Joseph story can't fly

Trying to force an obvious innacuracy, contested by CIA oversight, into a written legal statement delivered before Congress CAN NOT fall on the shoulders of some no-name.

The White House is the sole authority over the NSA. Condi heads the NSA. Condi answers to Bush. Bush made the statement. Robert Joseph isn't the President. Robert Joseph isn't in charge of telling the American people that they are threatened by imminent nuclear attack.

Robert Joseph is NOT a rogue element.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Why Do

People Here Call Chris Matthews "Tweety". I call him "Goofball"

[Cush]

50. There was a trade off

We got rid of the easy guy, but the real threat is still out there

[EAMcClure]

53. The real threat

Are Bush Inc., the WTO, IMF, and commerical capitalism. It is these forces, underpinned by greed, which threaten world peace.

[Cush]

52. Not just about WMD's

YOu have to show that there was an imminent threat with said WMDs (if found)

[grasswire]

political buzz next

[FlashHarry]

54. O'Donnell and Dornan next.

I wonder what the troglodyte from California will have to say. "Bush is God's instrument on Earth, therefore he is infallible," probably.

[grasswire]

57. why didn't Tweety...

...bring up the impeachment word?

[FlashHarry]

60. He just said 'un-smart.'

Maybe 'gooder' is next. Ugh. America is going down the tubes, intellectually speaking.

[grasswire]

61. Dornan....

.....Blair's appearance made the story bigger!!

Lawrence O'Donnell: Bush's refusal to accept responsibility for his words was stunning. The story is growing bigger and bigger.

[Cush]

59. Bob Doran: The story was dying?

Um, since when?

L O'Donnell: Its far from over and Bush blew another chance to take responsibility.

Robert Baer: NSC, NSC, NSC. Its becoming quite clear that they have been cooking the books.

Chris & Bear: He (Joseph) didn't do this alone

[grasswire]

63. wow....Baer said

NSC has been cooking the books.

Tweety: Joseph didn't do it on his own.

[FlashHarry]

62. 'NSC has been cooking the books on intelligence.'

Wow. Strong statement.

[grasswire]

65. Ha!

Dornan says he wants everything out in the open. This flap is the wrong way to go.

Lawrence: Tony didn't get an applause for a single fact. The speech was content free.

[FlashHarry]

66. O'Donnell: "I don't think (Blair) got applause for a single fact."

Called the speech "content-free."

[Cush]

67. Lol

L. O'Donnell:

Blair got applause for saying that America was FREE, but I think we already knew that. But I don't think he got applause for a 'single fact'

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Last Week Tweety

asked Lawrence O'Donnell if he would vote for The Terminator. He said I never vote Republication. " It's a matter of religion with me."

btw-he was Pat Moynihan's chief of staff

[FlashHarry]

69. Didn't Tweety work for Moynihan, too?

Or was it Tip O'Neill?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Lawrence O'Donnell worked

for Pat Moynihan. Tweety worked for Tip O'Neil and Jimmy Carter.

(and)

Tim Russert worked for Mario Cuomo.

[oasis]

71. Lying ass dweeb Lindsay Graham with his historical talking points

which have nothing to do with Chimpy's lies in the SOTU.