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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:36 PM
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Russia deploys new nuclear missiles
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 09:39 PM by NNN0LHI
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17659860%255E23109,00.html

December 25, 2005

THE chief of Russia's strategic forces attended the deployment of a new set of state-of-the art intercontinental ballistic missiles today, boasting of their capability to penetrate any prospective missile defence, news reports said.

Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, took part in a ceremony that marked the commissioning of the latest set of Topol-M missiles at a missile base in Tatishchevo in the Volga River's Saratov region. snip

The Topol-M missiles, capable of hitting targets more than 10,000 kilometers away, have so far been deployed in silos. The mobile version, mounted on a heavy off-road vehicle, is to enter combat service next year, Solovtsov said.

Russian media reports have said the Topol-M lifts off faster than its predecessors and manoeuvres in a way that makes it more difficult to spot and intercept. It is also reportedly capable of blasting off even after a nuclear explosion close to its silo.


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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:37 PM
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1. And there you have it ...
a new arms race for the 21st Century. Thanks Chimp! :grr:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:39 PM
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2. Do you hear that george? Your "Star Wars" Fantasy just blew up in your
miserable smirk.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:42 PM
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3. They never cared if it worked
Now they just have an excuse to give another trillion dollars of taxpayer money to their contractor front-corporations.

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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:58 PM
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7. Huh..I wonder if these are the ones
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 10:03 PM by peanutbrittle
that Al Martin said that Georgie signed off on the sale of one of our US (Montana) based palladium mines to a Russian company which would help Russia to expedite the manufacture of these.

I heard Al Martin say this on the Tony Trupiano show and I think he wrote an article about it 2 years ago. Said George signed off on the sale when Putin came to visit the ranch. Also said it was basically illegal for George to do so. :tinfoilhat:
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:13 PM
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11. Fuel cells and palladium ???
Somewhat related article

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2004/05/04_406.html

The Russians Are Coming

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The source of this prospective fortune is the Montana-based Stillwater Mining Co., which is the only domestic producer of two platinum group metals (PGM) -- platinum and palladium. Last year Vladimir Potanin, a Russian billionaire whose empire already includes vast PGM reserves in Siberia, took control of Stillwater. Regulators from the Treasury Department, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) quickly approved the deal even though it gave Potanin greater power over metals that could be critical to the nation's future.

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In November 2002, when the Russian company bid $100 million in cash and $241 million in palladium to buy a majority stake in Stillwater, the offer should have set off alarm bells for federal regulators. For starters, the Russian mining giant has ravaged the environment: Its excavations and smelters belch more than 5,000 tons of sulfur oxides into the air in Siberia every day, according to a report in the Guardian. Norilsk Nickel's soot, smoke, and wastewater have turned the local air sour and the snow black, and are destroying the surrounding tundra for hundreds of miles. What's more, the city of Norilsk was founded as a gulag, and the company's workers remain poorly treated, with their life expectancy below the Russian average.

Little is known about Norilsk Nickel: The company and Potanin operate in secrecy. Norilsk does not disclose such basic information as how many ounces of metal it has stockpiled or how much it pays its executives. The firm is one piece of Potanin's larger empire, controlled by his Interros investment company, which he established after expropriating huge swaths of Russia's wealth following the collapse of Communism. Interros also controls Uneximbank, launched in 1993 and now Russia's second-largest retail bank. It was through the bank's role as auctioneer for the Russian government that Potanin was able to buy Norilsk Nickel in 1997, even though his bid was several hundred million dollars less than the top offer.

So how did Norilsk Nickel win such easy approval for its acquisition of Stillwater, taking eight months for a process that critics say should have lasted longer? A look behind the scenes reveals that influential people, with clout at the White House, had much to gain by pushing it forward.

more---- http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2004/05/04_406.html
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:36 PM
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13. Here it is!!
Russia: The Best Enemy US Taxpayers Can Buy – Again; The Bush-Putin Conspiracy

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According to the Bush-Cheney Regime, it is a decade ahead of our own MX missile program. They said that they didn’t expect it to be built until 2010, due to the shortage of hard currency. The Russians announced over the weekend that they had completed the development and had begin to deploy the TOPOL-M missile system that the Bush Cheney Regime was “so concerned” about. They said that they had been able to accelerate and complete the program due to increases in the price of platinum and the explosion in export revenue they had earned from that price increase.

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By the way, the current ABM system has been tested and the only flying objects it was able to shoot down thus far was a flock of seagulls, which its targeting systems mistook for a mock incoming Russian missile. (The Patriot Missile scam is another one, also recently covered on the 60 Minutes show.) Rumsfeld then announced that the Russians developed a new system despite our pressure. How disingenuous it is for Rumsfeld to say this – after the Bush Cheney Regime entered into a conspiracy to increase the price of platinum and palladium which gave Russia the revenue not only to speed up the development of the missile system, but to complete it 18 months ahead of schedule. Then Rumsfeld uses the completion of the system as a reason to devote $200 billion to accelerate ultimate deployment of our anti-ballistic missile program. There’s the complete circle.


much more------ http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=9915
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:42 PM
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16. The perpetual boogie man
After they bought it, the Russians closed down Stillwater mining operations, using the lie that the market was over saturated with platinum. The Russian government had been withholding the metal in order to force up prices.

It should be once again noted that the purchase of Stillwater Mining by the Russian government (granted, it was through a supposedly private company, but the Russian government was behind it) is unlawful in that platinum is classified as a strategic metal.

It is against the law for a Russian firm, controlled by the Russian government, to purchase any mining company in the United States which produces any strategic metal or mineral. “Strategic” in this case means that besides any precious metal value it has and its normal industrial value, it is a metal which is needed to build certain weapons systems, principally strategic weapons systems.

So what is the purpose of this conspiracy? Why is the Bush Cheney Regime interested in helping Russia dramatically increase the price of one of its prime exports?

It is simply to help the Russian government t earn as much revenue as possible to aid the Russian government in its re-arming – to make Russia once again a strategic threat to the United States in order to justify Bush-Cheney Regimes intentions (as can be seen on their PNAC website) of constructing a new American military empire in the 21st century. By recreating enemies of the past. By redividing the world behind “Curtains” both “Iron” and “Bamboo,” in order to justify a second enormous military build-up a la 1984-1987.

The US military build-up ultimately has to be justified, and you can’t justify doubled defense expenditures on “terrorism.”

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=9915

:tinfoilhat:
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 11:28 PM
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17. US State Department
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 11:37 PM by peanutbrittle
LOL...looks like they had a little problem with some of the facts in the article....

then Al goes on to state that it still all has to do with the Cabals agenda of controlling the worlds resources.

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Then, along the way in the construction of this American Military Empire, you accomplish the third Bushonian agenda, i.e. the continuous consolidation of money and power into higher, tighter and righter hands domestically, by ensuring that Bushonian Cabalists have interests in various resource companies which Russian and Chinese consortiums are purchasing at substantial premiums to market values. Thus, as Kissinger pointed out, by 2021 the top 1% of the nation will control 90% of the nation’s wealth as a byproduct of building this new American Military Empire. It’s a very neat little package.

In 20 years, this will give the United States the ability to absolutely dictate prices. If you, the squalid citizen living on so many square feet you're allowed, due to overpopulation, can't pay – hey, it’s off to a CILF labor camp for you. (CILF stands for Civilian Inmate Labor Facility.)

This will be the New High Tech Feudalism for the 21st century, the beginnings of which we can already see in the knighting of Sir George Bush, Sir James Baker and Sir Alan Greenspan. The senior members of the Bushonian Cabal have gotten their titles. They have their serfs in place (the soon to be pensionless American people). Now all they need is their fiefdoms. If you’re unprepared, what else could you be but a serf in a CILF?

:tinfoilhat: but nothing would surprise me anymore
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:45 PM
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4. Happy Nuke Year.
:scared:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:52 PM
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5. And they needed these for??
Thanks, good post NNNOLHI!

Impeach, indict, imprison before it gets any worse!

Peace in the new year!
V
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:57 PM
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6. Fox News
Fox News won't have much to say about this--if anything. Maybe if it becomes too embarrassingly obvious that Russia stole the initiative while we were blowing 200 billion in Iraq, they'll bring Charles Krauthammer and William Kristol on to talk about how Russia faithlessly breached some security agreement with the US, so now we shouldn't trust Vladimir any more.

Another Bush "management" success story.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 09:59 PM
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8. Remarkable timing. Let's see how brash, arrogant, and pompous
everyone is now. Gee, perhaps Queen Liar will leave her State job and become an advisor given her Russian expertise and her knowledge of the invasion we're planning for bombing Iran (with nukes)?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:00 PM
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9. Range greater than 6000 miles. Gulp. n/t
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:04 PM
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10. One post away from 1000 seafan !
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:23 PM
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12. Gosh, I sure am glad they aint communists now, thanks to Reagan :(
These must be friendly nukes they are building. :<
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:37 PM
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14. Well now...and if we consider that the Russians and Chinese
held joint naval exercises in the Pacific last year, I'd say the neocon bravado about our invincibility is just another paper tiger pipe dream. When was the last update of our own missile forces? We can't even furnish equipment for our own soldiers, many of our high tech spare parts are made in vulnerable South Korea, and with our lack of manufacturing capability and our massive debt, I doubt we could maintain a large measured war with major powers for more than a month, even without the use of nuclear weapons. Hell, the wingnuts are such wimps that they would fold after four days without electricity. . .these aren't Americans who believe and understand real sacrifice in war.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 10:39 PM
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15. Notice the US media never has time to report developments as these?
Edited on Sun Dec-25-05 10:45 PM by NNN0LHI
They are too busy reporting on "successful" missile defense tests and about how Reagan "won" the Cold War.

Don
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-25-05 11:34 PM
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18. And the chimp has driven our military protection threadbare
While our lovely corporate freinds continue to fund communist China into a future threat.

WE are becoming vulnerable because of war profiteers and others who choose profit over everything.
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