Bush Convicts Himself of Lying -- his own words...

[Peter Frank]

From last week's radio address:

Bush: -- "In the weeks following the terrorist attacks on our nation, I authorized the National Security Agency, consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution, to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations". (no court orders -- Constitutionally required for domestic spying. The international communications were with American residents.)
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/prn/texas/3531869.html



From a campaign speech in Buffalo NY in April of '04:

Bush: "...Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040420-2.html#

Bush obviously understood the Constitutional requirement for court orders when he implemented his unaccountable spying program -- and there's no question that he knew he was lying in his campaign speech.

[sakabatou]

1. No frickin DUH!

[Peter Frank]

2. You wouldn't believe the spin I got on the freeper boards...

...when I made this point.

[sakabatou]

3. Really?

Let me see, let me see!

On second thought, just C&P so I won't have to disinfect my computer.

[Peter Frank]

5. I'll spare you that...

Suffice it to say that they were parsing the word "Constitution."

[madeline_con]

12. "He was talking about something else." Right? n/t

[Erika]

4. Yes, he lied and it is on tape

The Bushbots don't care. They simply don't care about our Constitution or Bill of Rights. They are willing to give up our freedoms for their perceived security. Nor do they have the intelligence to realize W has destabilized the world and actually increased the danger.

They don't care if W lied. Not at all.

[dutchdemocrat]

19. Wire Tap Research Centre

This is Wire Tap - the Full Video and Research Page

http://www.chris-floyd.com/bush/video/player.php">Blog Snippet Page

The Javascript dropdown links on the Blog Snippet Page (link above) lead to short Macromedia Flash video snippets which are great to use as fodder for backing the case that Bush clearly lied. I chopped and made them in Flash so they are quick to load and can be viewed on 90 percent of all computers (Mac, PC, Linux). You can point to a specific video by copying the different urls in the address bar for each video (when you get to the page) and paste them in as targeted links for a particular snippet on your blog or website. The wire tap link (first one) is chock full of research data.

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[Peter Frank]

9. I respect everything you say...

My question is -- Should we let any president get away with circumventing Our Constitution?

Welcome to the DU :hi:

[shraby]

10. Actually Wilson was probably the most oppressive

as far as dissent in wartime goes.
I have absolutely no tolerance for violating any part of the constitution. It is our bulwark against an overreaching government. I was taught that America doesn't have a king...and it isn't about to have one. My father didn't fight at the Battle of the Bulge for me to allow the constitution to be ground under the jack-boots of Bush or anyone else. My family has been in this country since the mid 1600s, and has fought in almost every war we have been engaged in, including the Revolutionary war. I'm sure my ancestors wouldn't approve of me averting my eyes, lowering my head, putting my keyboard aside so I won't upset the president when he tries to create a kingship. You say the muslim "fascists" are as evil as Hitler, I consider Bush to be every bit as evil.
This is MY country and he is not going to spoil it for me and my progeny..not if I can help it.

[Mind_your_head]

7. "we value the Constitution".....

"Kind of weak words when the oath he swore, in it's entirety, is as follows:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/pihtml/pioaths.html

preserving, protecting, and defending something takes a h*ll of a lot of energy and mettle to do. If one does that, you don't just 'value' it....you highly value, cherish/prize it. One would understand/get to know the thing intimately.

Personally, I seriously don't believe bush would be able to pass an 8th grade constitution test without studying for it first (and even at that, it's questionable).

Also, who is this 'we' that Herr bush is always referring to? "we value the Constitution" :shrug:
In this context, he isn't referring the US citizens at large. He's referring to ?????
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[Peter Frank]

16. A couple of great points...

I caught the "we" reference as well. That would be Bush & his elite inner circle of PNAC oligarchs.

And yes -- the Constitution is the document which he (with his hand on a Bible, swore to preserve, protect and defend. This document appears to have become too much of a nuisance for him.

[guruoo]

8. In Bush and Cheney's own words: "a wiretap requires a court order."

"Any time you hear the United States talk about wiretap,
it requires, a wiretap requires a court order.
Nothing has changed, by the way"
"The government can't move on on wiretaps, on roving wiretaps
without getting a court order"
"everything you hear about requires court order, requires there be permission
from a FISA court."
-President Bush. Just a few of many similar statements he made
during last year's election campaign touting the FISA court oversight.
Video compilation here:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/12/23.html#a6451

[Erika]

11. His lie repeated once again n/t

[Peter Frank]

13. Great catch...

This video really illustrates the original point. Over & over again in '04, Bush says that wiretapping must be done with a court order -- all the while, he had his secret spying program in place. What a hypocritical liar.

[Peter Frank]

17. I'm going to give this video it's own thread...

It merits far more attention.

[Marleyb]

14. not only lying, he convicts himself of breaking the law.

The only excuse Bush could have at this time is 'duh, I didn't know I was breakin law' but here he explains loud and clear that he knows that by law, wiretaps require a court order. This proves that he knew that he was breaking the law the entire time.

Why do we need an investigation? I DEMAND IMPEACHMENT! This is absurd!!

[Peter Frank]

15. Yes this is illegal, and still ongoing...

Bush & PNAC have played fast & loose with many functions of government in the name of "Homeland Security" (I hate that term by the way; it just doesn't sound American. What's wrong with the tried & true "National Security?). It looks like they really overstepped on this one. The question is, will enough Republicans (voters and leaders)stand up for our constitutional rights.

"Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty."

Benjamin Franklin

[Higans]

18. Why would an investigation be needed at all?