Why would B* do this?

[dave502d]

Dose it even mean anything if true?


WHY WOULD BUSH CHANGE ORDER OF SUCCESSION YESTERDAY...FOR SECRETARY OF DEFENSE? Can he not trust the Leaders of the Army, Navy, Air Force? Very curious act.
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Here is old order: (thanks to Freedom Crow's Site)

(1) Deputy Secretary of Defense.
(2) Secretary of the Army.
(3) Secretary of the Navy.
(4) Secretary of the Air Force.
(5) Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology.
(6) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.
(7) Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller).
(8) Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness.
(9) Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology.
(10) Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.
(11) Director of Defense Research and Engineering.




Here is the New Exec Order signed just yesterday:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051222-7.html
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Executive Order: Providing An Order of Succession Within the Department of Defense

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Vacancies Reform Act of 1998, 5 U.S.C. 3345 et. seq., it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Subject to the provisions of section 3 of this order, the officers named in section 2, in the order listed, shall act as and perform the functions and duties of the office of the Secretary of Defense (Secretary) during any period when the Secretary has died, resigned, or is otherwise unable to perform the functions and duties of the office of Secretary.

Sec. 2. Order of Succession.

(a) Deputy Secretary of Defense;

(b) Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence;

(c) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy;

(d) Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics;

(e) Secretary of the Army;

(f) Secretary of the Air Force;

(g) Secretary of the Navy;

(h) Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness and the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller);

(i) Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness;

(j) General Counsel of the Department of Defense, the Assistant Secretaries of Defense, and the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation;

(k) Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Logistics and Material Readiness and the Director of Defense Research and Engineering;

(l) Under Secretaries of the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force; and

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=83404

[BrklynLiberal]

1. You can be sure it is not good news!!

Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence is Stephen Cambone!

Stephen Cambone, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s right-hand man, was for the first time caught in the glare of media attention as part of the congressional inquiry into Iraq prison abuses. (1) Under sharp questioning from senators on May 11, 2004, Cambone vigorously defended both Rumsfeld and Douglas Feith, the then-undersecretary of defense for policy. Cambone’s attempt to split hairs on whether the Geneva Conventions were applicable to intelligence gathering in Iraq and his awkward defense of the role of military intelligence in interrogations put him at odds with the U.S. Army general who first investigated abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

As the first-ever undersecretary of defense for intelligence, Cambone will likely come under increased fire as the prison scandal unfolds. Some of the most intense questioning of Cambone centered on whether the Geneva Conventions were “precisely” respected. What “precisely” Cambone knew and when he knew it, and what precisely was the role of military intelligence will be questions that Cambone will be required to answer.

Cambone was director of strategic defense policy during the Bush I administration, working under then-Defense Secretary Cheney. A long-time a promoter of missile defense systems, Cambone went on to serve as the staff director of the two congressional commissions—one on missile defense and another on space weapons—chaired by Donald Rumsfeld in the late 1990s.

The two Rumsfeld commissions focused on the issues at the top of the wish lists of national security militarists and large military contractors: the ballistic missile threat to the United States and U.S. space-based defense capabilities. In the tradition of Team B, the unstated agenda of these commissions was to turn up pressure on the administration to support new weapons programs and substantially increase major military spending. (2) Both commissions received funding from defense spending bills—in effect using taxpayer revenues to subsidize them. But perusing the backgrounds and connections of the individuals charged with overseeing the commissions, Rumsfeld and his right-hand man Stephen Cambone, most observers at the time believed that the conclusions were preordained.

After Rumsfeld was named defense secretary, he made Cambone his special assistant. Then, in March 2003 Cambone was appointed the first-ever undersecretary for intelligence—a position that “will allow the Defense Department to consolidate its intelligence programs in a way that could undermine CIA head George Tenet’s role,” one defense analyst noted. (3) While Cambone was directing the two Rumsfeld commissions, he also participated in two national security strategy and military transformation commissions sponsored by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and the National Institute for Public Policy (NIPP). The institute’s 2001 report, Rationale and Requirements for Nuclear Forces and Arms Control, and PNAC’s Rebuilding America’s Defenses were blueprints for Rumsfeld’s promised “revolution in military affairs.” Several other PNAC associates, in addition to Rumsfeld himself, also served on the Rumsfeld commissions, including Paul Wolfowitz, Malcolm Wallop, William Schneider, Jr., and James Woolsey. Both the NIPP and PNAC studies seem to have served as blueprints for the defense policies initiated by the administration of George W. Bush with respect to nuclear policy, national security strategy, and military transformation.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1066

[mogster]

33. And his deputy is...

Gen. William Boykin, Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence.
And the man in charge of the 'war' on terror.

[Bosso 63]

35. who could be worse than Rummy?

The Answer is Gen Boykin.




www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main643650.shtml

[jimshoes]

2. Insurance....

Toady insurance. Got to have at least a couple of bootlickers at the top of the pecking order, just in case.

[Trillo]

3. Perhaps it was easier for him to put his stooges in

some positions.

[havocmom]

4. Yep. Not to many Chicken Hawks rise to the position of Sec of Army

Those jobs tend to go to people with the dedication to the nation to actually put a uniform on. Rules out any bushco rabble.

[spindrifter]

13. Well, Secy. of Navy

is currently a defense corporation guy with no actual military service background. I haen't checked credentials of the other Secys.

[Marie26]

31. Rumsfeld fired the last Sec. of the Army, Thomas White

For daring to question Bush's "plan" for Iraq & backing up a Gen. Shinseki's position that they'd need 100,00 troops to occupy Iraq. White is now writing a critical book about the Bush Administration. They fired anyone that disputed their little fantasy & then are shocked when things don't work out as they'd hoped. You can bet that Bush is reordering the sucession list for ideological purity to avoid anymore "free thinkers" telling people what Bush wouldn't want them to hear. Toadys & cronies go first - then the true agency heads are pushed to the bottom of the list. And it really makes you wonder - what are they so desperate to cover up?

http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000734.php

[uppityperson]

5. what in the bloody hell does he have up his sleeve?

Where's undersecretary of tortue, by the way?

[funflower]

8. That's the Secretary's job. Seriously, he is consolidating his power over

the military. Gotta hate that.

:scared:

[funflower]

6. Undersecretary of Defense of Policy is Eric Edelman, ex-Cheney toady

and, more recently, Ambassador to Turkey.

http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/edelman_bio.html

Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics is Kenneth J. Krieg

http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/krieg_bio.html

Why would a guy who is basically the purchasing agent for the military come ahead of the Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force?

This is really creepy if you ask me.

Nominated.

[rzemanfl]

7. If you were afraid of a military coup, what would you do? This is

a clear indication that he is scared shitless and no longer feels the military will back him up should he, for example, order martial law or an airstrike on Iran or Syria. The three armed services secretaries should resign in protest.

[funflower]

9. If you were planning to use the military to do something you couldn't do

through other means, what would you do?

[rzemanfl]

10. Are we arguing the same point or different ones? I really think the

military has had it with the chickenhawks is about ready to tell * to fuck off. If I wanted the military to do something shady, I would find some guys who would follow orders but had stars on their shoulders to run the operation, not some fricking civilians.

[funflower]

12. I'm just letting my fertile imagination run wild at the thought of all of

bizarre scenarios that could be looming!

[rzemanfl]

15. I bet it will be something we never imagined. Think about this,

the military could whack Rummy and make it appear to be an accident or hostile act, e.g., next time he's in Baghdad he takes a round in the forehead, whose sniper? Maybe this is a Dan Quayle insurance operation.

[funflower]

16. You are right. It's ALWAYS something we never imagined.

[rzemanfl]

17. A novel written in 1999 based on the past five years of our history

would have been dismissed as too far fetched. The Supreme Court picks the President? Arabs knock down the World Trade Center towers and the President let's the guy who planned it get away? There are anthrax attacks and they get away too? We try to occupy a whole country with 150,000 troops? The idiot gets re-elected? New Orleans is pretty much gone?

[funflower]

19. Scarily interesting times....

[spindrifter]

14. Bingo...

a week or so ago the threads about Rummy resigning speculating about who would replace him included an interesting remark that the Founding Fathers wanted civilian oversight of the military. An interesting point in ordinary times. These are far from ordinary, though.

[lpbk2713]

22. Commander Bunnypants recently saw "Seven Days in May"

and he's been having nightmares ever since. He's so afraid "the people" might want to take back their country by force.

[Nimrod2005]

25. I honestly trust the military guys more than the civilians, this is

not good, I am not sure why he is doing this?

[Hyernel]

11. Their actual intentions are worse than anything we've yet imagined.

These evil motherfuckers have gone too far lose power now. For any reason.

Remember: The America we think we're defending actually DIED in Nov. 2000.

[leftofthedial]

18. moving up the political commissars

preparatory to the second phase of the coup

the actual military want him out

[ComerPerro]

20. Its just for the DoD, so why not?

[LunaC]

21. Check their affiliations with PNAC

Therein lies the answer.

[Cults4Bush]

30. Whatcha got LunaC?

Care to give us any tidbits on the fly?

[LunaC]

32. On the fly...

a) Deputy Secretary of Defense; Gordon England

- former General Dynamics vice president
- former Lockheed Martin president and Lobbyist
- served under Bush I
- recent speech to Heritage Foundation parrots PNAC dogma/agenda

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=1277


(b) Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence; - Stephen Carbone

- Contributed to "Rebuilding America's Defenses"
- Was in charge of strategic defense policy at the Defense Department in the first Bush administration

http://bushwatch.org/empire.htm



(c) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; - Eric S. Edelman

- former deputy national security adviser to Cheney
- identified by his former job title in the indictment of I. Lewis Libby Jr.,

http://cafeutne.org/motet/guest/motet?show+-ululgq+-ilad+Politics+353+-25-

[POAS]

23. Sounds to me like somebody will be leaving soon

Namely the Secretary of Defense, and Bush wants a loyalist in place in case he cannot get an appointment through the Senate.

[GardeningGal]

24. My first thought

Rumsfeld is going to resign and Bush wanted to make sure who is in place while a new SOD gets approved.

[Slit Skirt]

26. check this out....maybe this is why

and b doesn't think the military will go along with two more wars

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5679776

[flamingpie2500]

27. Must be a lot of resignations coming--at least the current secy and

deputy secretary would have to resign (or die etc.) in order for this to have any real effect. The succession order doesn't really change until #3

[Pachamama]

28. Worried much Mr. President Bush that the Military might not listen to you?

My guess is that he absolutely realizes that the Military is on to them and that there could possibly be someone with a conscience who wouldn't just be following orders from a crazed Commander in Chief who either want to a) command the military on its on people on US soil and/or b) send our soldiers into harms way without any justification.

We all know that Rumsfeld is likely on his way out and if he was to either leave his post (regardless of reason), the boy king wants to be able to still carry on his insane military plans.

[Straight Shooter]

29. I think georgie is playing chess with Murtha.

Somehow Murtha has forced georgie's hand, or perhaps I should say Cheney's hand.

Wasn't there some sort of change just prior to September 11, 2001, also, where Rumsfeld had assumed a position of responsibility he did not have prior to? I had a link to this info but the page is no longer there.

[bklyncowgirl]

34. Maybe Rummy needs to hire a food taster.

I agree with those who said it's easier to get partisan hacks into those undersecretary positions.

[spinbaby]

36. Bump

This seems important.

[Rex]

37. It places more power in the hands of Rummy

The Brass lose out on this deal. It insures that no military general will be POTUS. Why is it the departments are not all run by a four star general? Why does a politican get to be over them all? Isn't the POTUS enough? When you let politicans decide wars, they always go wrong. Take power away from the heads of the military and place it into corporate america's hands. Bad idea.