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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:21 PM
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Hilarious Xtian "Review" Of Brokeback Mountain
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 10:23 PM by K8-EEE
LOL!! Oh man, I think the writer has some serious issues. Don't see it! Don't don't don't, it's bad for you and it's BORING, honest!! Gene Autrey is rolling in his grave, etc. etc. etc!

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47906

DISCLAIMER: SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE PLANNING TO SEE THE MOVIE...
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:24 PM
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1. Michael Medved said it would be too much for most people.
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 10:27 PM by jonnyblitz
and that it was a movie about ADULTERY. snicker.

I assume you are familiar with Michael Medved. If not, he is a rightwing talk show host and film or hollywood critic.

this is funny from your link:
"Brokeback Mountain" is well-acted, although Heath Ledger as Ennis sometimes sounds like Carl from "Sling Blade",..."
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:43 AM
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35. Adultery in the movies ?!?!
gasp!
When did shocking displays of this type become acceptable?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:47 AM
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44. Here are reviews from Robin & Laura Clifford, who are pro-family folks!
http://www.reelingreviews.com/brokebackmountain.htm

Editor's note: Despite their names, these are a man and woman. Photos are on this site. They also gave the picture an "A".

Robin:

"Brokeback Mountain” is a touching love story between two men who have formed an unbreakable bond with each other that will last for their lives. While this subject may turn off the more homophobic moviegoer, this is not what I would call a “gay movie.” Sure, it’s about two men and their physical attraction to the other, but it is far more about the love that begins between two people and intensifies despite their long times apart. This is a daring and emotionally complex piece of work that defies being stereotyped or pigeonholed.

While both Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal give exemplary performances, it is Ledger who comes out tops in this remarkable film. The 26-year old Aussie native first came to notice in America with his engaging performance in 1999’s “10 Things I Hate About You” with Julia Stiles. Since then he has become a star but, until now, has not earned the reputation as a true thespian. His performance as Ennis Del Mar has changed that repute. Ledger gives one of the best, most mature performances of the year that will make the world sit up and take notice. With his jaw always clenched, Ennis speaks in gruff mutters but there is a passion within the man that spills out on the screen. Ledger may not win an Oscar for his role (though he may surprise) but he will be on many best-of lists this year. I know it’s tough to talk about break through performances for someone with Ledger’s filmography, but this is the case for the actor. It will be interesting to see what he does in the years to come.

(snipped)

Laura:

Director Ang Lee ("Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon," "Hulk") once again impresses with his seeming command of such disparate material as his early trilogy exploring the relationships between fathers and their children ("Pushing Hands," "The Wedding Banquet," which also featured a gay protagonist albeit in a romantic comedy, and "Eat Drink Man Woman"), Jane Austen ("Sense and Sensibility"), American suburban angst in the 70s ("The Ice Storm"), Chinese martial arts and comic book super heroes. Now he's broken new ground with Larry McMurtry ("Lonesome Dove") and Diana Ossana's ("Johnson County War") adaptation of the Annie Proulx short story about two men wearing that most macho of labels - the American cowboy - who experience a profound love in a taboo time (the 60s) and place (Wyoming and Texas), and all but the most rabidly homophobic should feel the heartbreak. Both Ledger and Gyllenhaal ring emotionally true, but Ledger, playing the more closed down of the two men, reaches to depths unimaginable from previous performances.

Joe Aguirre (Randy Quaid, "The Ice Harvest") instructs Ennis to overnight at the camp, but insists that Jack pitch a tent and stay out overnight with the sheep after having experienced large losses the year before. The two men have little in common, meeting at mealtimes which Ennis prepares over campfire, but Jack's amusing show biz streak comes to the fore and he begins to break through to the taciturn Ennis. When empathy for Jack's overnight discomfort keeps them together one night, Jack's move to warm them both quickly overheats and combusts. The disemboweled sheep Ennis finds the next day, killed while the men were having sex, symbolizes both Ennis's guilt and his prediction for their future. Ennis, you see, was taken by his dad at the age of nine to see the corpse left in the wake of a vicious gay bashing, one that may have been at his father's own hand, and it is this childhood trauma that guides the man's refusal to live with Jack.

(snipped)

Note: These are much longer reviews. See them at:

http://www.reelingreviews.com/brokebackmountain.htm
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:21 PM
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53. So I guess that means
no more Arnold movies? Remember "True Lies"?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:32 PM
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2. Someone should count how many times he used the word "propaganda".
I dont think I've ever seen the word used that many times in a review before! :rofl:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:04 PM
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11. I know, it's "laughable"...
...a word he used FOUR times in this review...


SOMEBODY needs a thesaurus.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:01 PM
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59. Really!
My theory is that if you use the word more than once in a review, you're an idiot.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:43 PM
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78. Mine, too.
His use of "laughable" and "boring" is is interesting...

...perhaps he doth protest too much??
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:39 PM
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3. Oh..he had to mention "politically correct" too...
that is a requirement for a rightwingnut shill. . .you know, the kind who can't figure out the difference between political correctness and good manners because their proper christian upbringing didn't involve manners.

Of course, I'm still trying to figure out how this unprofessional writer could claim to be a "christian" anyway - but just like the rest of the snake oil salesmen, no true American fascist has the balls to spout hate unless it is in the name of the Lord.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:41 PM
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4. Did this movie reviewer accidentally reveal his own secret desire?
"...an evening of lust and passion, a scene that plays like a nightmarish homosexual rape set in San Quentin Prison."

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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:09 AM
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16. That's What I Thought Too!!
Nightmarish, huh? SAN QUENTIN?? lol...where did THAT come from?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:36 AM
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38. He obviously believes that it's always rape when it's between
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 11:36 AM by Radio_Lady
prisoners, which is not true. I've never been to prison, but it seems that many prisoners engage in sexual activity by their own mutual consent.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:44 PM
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5. Gee,he forgot to mention Rock Hudson.
He was in a few dusters back then too.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:36 AM
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33. or Randolph Scott, who was a star in Western films primarily
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 10:37 AM by kenny blankenship
and who also lived with Cary Grant for a while, until their ménage began to reach public attention.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:46 PM
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6. double post. Delete
Edited on Sun Dec-18-05 10:47 PM by Meldread
delete double post
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:47 PM
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7. By comparison....87% fresh at rottentomatoes.com
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:39 AM
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39. I've seen the movie and I gave it an A+ on my entertainment report card.
Ang Lee scores big with this one in my opinion. It will have a more limited audience than a big action movie, but there is a real feeling that it will transcend comments like this.

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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:47 PM
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8. ROFL. Tell us what you're really thinking, don't hold back!
:rofl:
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:51 PM
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9. Actually, I have seen all the derogatory reviews. But I have
read the story. Frankly , I will nt go to view it as it is too depressing. Why do I need more depressing right now? This is a tragic story , IMO.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:41 AM
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41. It's a strange mix of elation and depression. In the end, it's so much
like a real love story that it doesn't matter -- two people who fall in love and try to overcome obstacles.

I'd go to see it again, if only for the beautiful Canadian scenery. (Sorry, folks, that's not Wyoming.)
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:54 PM
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10. WorldNutDaily?
That is all you need to know about the "review".
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:01 AM
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22. WingNutDeli
please, let's do get the slurs right!
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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:07 PM
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12. As much as I'd love a good laugh, I refuse to read this article...
...BECAUSE, I just KNOW this fucking theo-fascist is going to take the concept of "spoiler" literally, and actually use it as some sort of pathetic fundy xtian "weapon", ie: he's going to take the time-honoured tradition of pro film reviewers in NEVER revealing key plot points of a film (it's just plain old "bad form"); he'll throw it out the window, and use the "spoiler" to purposely fuck it up for all "in the name of jeebus". So fucking petty...I refuse to play his game by reading it.

I love the comments from all of you who DID read it, tho, and to the OP: thanx for the "SPOILER ALERT"
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 11:11 PM
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13. I saw it and it was a beautiful movie - one of the best I've seen in years
He uses the word "sodomite" to describe the two main characters....'nuff said about my opinion of this piece of trash review.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:00 AM
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14. They Can't Deal With A Gay Love Story, Period
The only gay relationship angle they can handle is porn/debauchery or whatever, they can't have a gay love story, it freaks them out. Jeez! Haven't these people every know a gay person who was in love? Probably not, or at least, the people won't talk to freeps about it? They live in a world devoid of reality.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:37 AM
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34. Why not? (Spoiler alert:)
One dies. Doesn't that lift up their Christian spirits?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 01:49 PM
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50. Exactly right!
"They live in a world devoid of reality." Sums it up perfectly! I can't imagine being so narrow-minded - they make me mad but I also pity them in a way.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:33 PM
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54. The thing I don't get
is why go see it if you don't like it? There are lots of movies out there I don't care for and wouldn't go see and spoil it for people. What about all these other movies with tons of violence and sex scenes like in Arnold's movies? These people need to get over someone being gay. It's a part of our world and will always be. All these people want is the Bible everywhere but there is plenty of stuff in the Bible to be against in films. For example in the beginning how do you think Cain, Able and their siblings populate? Incest. Or how about when Lot's daughters conspired and slept with him? Before that he offered them to someone too. And than Joseph and the Pharoah's wife coming onto him and there's all sorts of stuff. And Samson had dozen's of wives. There's tons of wars too in the Old Testament.
So it's no worse than this film.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:39 PM
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56. I have not known any
gay people who talked about it, except perhaps on this board. I do not like a love story that involves infidelity, although it is not clear from the review if their heterosexual marriages happened before or after their homosexual relationship. In a movie, a love story usually ends with a marriage, it is more of a courtship story. Other than "True Lies" which is more of an action movie, I cannot think of any movies that involve loving married couples, (such as my parents, my sisters, my grandparents, my uncles, etc.) as their principle characters. Okay, the President and his wife in Independence Day, but she gets killed before the movie ends. Divorced couples and cheating couples are far more common in the world of movies, and so are people who are married to their careers.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:33 PM
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70. The Beginning and End Of Any Relationship Is Most Interesting
From a drama point of view. As far as "in love" marriage depictions, my fave would be the "Thin Man" series with Myrna Loy, who I think is the most elegant woman who ever walked the face of this earth!
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:07 AM
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15. Clueless Freep "Synoposis" (not even CLOSE to the plot..)
Well, get ready for the big push by the Hollywood liberals for the homosexual agenda. Last week they tried to push for the Tookie soft feelings agenda disregarding the pain and suffering on Tokkie's victims. Now Tookie is in hell, burning with Aileen Wurnos. Remeber that in the movie "Mosnter" we had to indure the lesbian affair of Aileen Wuornos and the girl played by Christina Ricci and the movie won all kind of awards. I saw it on DVD and was not impressed. Now Brokeback Mountain goes even further. Breakup of 2 marriages and two gay men ride into the sun in love and Hollywood swonns with several Globe and Oscar nominations in the near future. And the movie is making lots of money like the docu-fantasyFahrenheit 9/11 did. I have no plans to see Homo Mountain, instead we should go and see the wonderfull film The Chronicles of Narnia.

16 posted on 12/14/2005 3:08:10 PM PST by HonduGOP
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:22 AM
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30. He's saying there is no plot.
LOL....so should we even be surprised he gets it wrong?

I dont even know why these fundies torture themselves with seeing this shit? Me thinks this reviewer has probably replayed certains scenes of the movie in his mind, late at night, when he's alone, and his palms greased.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 01:52 PM
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51. Ding! Ding! Ding!
Those that protest too much...
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:11 PM
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67. how does one swonn?
:shrug:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:14 AM
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17. How is Brokeback Mountain "neo-Marxist"?
Oh, I remember--anything that isn't distinctly rightwing is automatically neo-Marxist by default. How silly of me. :silly:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:53 AM
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20. See, if the cowboys OWNED the cows
they wouldn't be so sexually frustrated... I guess...
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:46 AM
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81. I suppose in the capitalist right-wing version
The cowboys would be f*cking the cows, right? :eyes: I hear that's how they do it over there.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:36 AM
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18. What a freak. n/t
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:53 AM
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19. They got married to WOMEN?
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 07:59 AM by BiggJawn
OK, I know this is gonna get me called a "Homophobe", but I ain't gonna see go it now.

I've spent a lot of time in therapy and my life has been SHIT these past 10 years trying to deal with being one of the "Left Behinds" after my last marriage went down in flames when my wife kicked me to the kerb for a chick 1/2 her age.

I agree with Baehr in his questioning of "what about compassion for these character's wives?". When the Gay spouse finally "gets Honest", there's plenty of welcoming support and new "family" to greet them. The straight left-behind spouses get "whattsamatter, buddy, not MAN enough to keep her happy?".

Yeah, I know, we should just STFU and go get laid. That will make it all better.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:35 AM
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31. Sorry to hear about your wife,
But after ten years don't you think it is time to move on? Hell, I had the same happen to me, and yes, it hurt like hell, but there comes a time to stop wallowing in the shit and move on. Took me three years, but I did move on and was the much better person for it.

I'm not saying that you should go get laid, but I do think that it is unhealthy for you to be dwelling on this a decade after the fact. And honestly if you've got friends questioning your masculinity over this issue, perhaps these people aren't really friends after all.

Again, I'm sorry about your situation.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:14 AM
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36. Oh, thanks a buttload, buddy...
"But after ten years don't you think it is time to move on?"

You think I *LIKE* wandering through life, hovering between distrust and hostility?

I'm so fuckin' happy YOU were able to bounce back in such tip-top shape. Maybe your circumstances were different, but shit, why did it take *YOU* a whole three years? Somebody else might think THAT was too long to "wallow in your shit"...

"And honestly if you've got friends..."

Nope, wrong again. I don't have any "friends". That damn "distrust" issue again, y'know.

Ass.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:33 AM
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37. Gee, let me re-access the situation then again
Perhaps you are wandering way to far over into that whole hostility thing you've got going there. Sorry if I hit your last nerve, I was simply trying to empathize. And quite frankly I stand by my earlier assesment, ten years is way too long to be dwelling on this, or carrying this much anger about on the issue. I mean really now, that is a large slice of your life that you've devoted to hate, distrust and anger. Don't you think that is a bit unhealthy? Don't you think it is time to let it go?

And no, I did not "bounce back in tip-top shape" friend, I've got the scars on that one. But frankly I didn't dwell on it to the point of it being unhealthy either. Yes, it took me three years to get into another serious relationship, but I didn't let one such incident completely blow my trust factor for the rest of the entire human race. Apparently you have, given that you say you have no friends. I don't what to tell you except that at some point you are going to have to trust somebody.

I'm sorry that I angered you, it wasn't my intention.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:11 PM
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47. Ok...
Sorry I blew up at you. I *AM* getting help for this, but it's a damn slow process, and it frustrates the living shit out of me. The way the whole thing came down, added to the abuse I was also getting, really affected me.
I forgot to mention the abuse. That's the rest of the story.

I was looking forward to seeing this flick, but when I found out about that part of the plot line, I decided that perhaps a Goodrich Quality Theatre wouldn't be a very good place to have a meltdown.

Yeah, a whole fifth of my life, down the toilet.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:56 PM
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57. Everybody has a
different time frame of dealing with things. Just because one person can get over something like that quickly doesn't mean someone else could. You'll learn to trust again I hope. :hug:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:35 PM
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71. I'm Sorry....
but tell me -- would it have been any easier for you if your wife had left you for another man? I'm fortunate to be married for 20 years knock on wood but honestly, ego wise it would be easier for me to accept a spouse leaving for the opposite sex, because it's less personal (I can't be a MAN!) than 'I like her better.'

In any case, please work through your pain because only will you do will you find love in your life again, I truly believe that.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:12 PM
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76. Probably.
My FIRST wife fucked around on me with a friend of mine who's a Fireman. I just figured she liked his "Hose" better, y'know?
But I was quite a bit younger then and she didn't run a mind-fuck on me for 7 years like the last one did.

I'm tired of "working through it". It never gets any better.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:58 AM
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21. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you CAP Alert
http://www.capalert.com/capreports/index.htm

For christian reviews of movies, with children in mind.

Read it and weep. Tears of laughter.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:02 AM
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23. CAPalert is the gift that goes on giving
Whenever I'm feeling down, I go there and find my inner child again. Hilarious stuff.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:12 AM
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24. 'tis the season, after all.
So let's all kick back with some eggnog and enjoy their review of Bad Santa. Truly one of the classics.




I know nothing of any credibility about this film. While waiting for another film to start, I was permitted to set in on Bad Santa and walked out eight minutes after setting down. In those eight minutes I saw and heard nothing more than vulgar tripe which and has no place in the Christmas season or any other season. I can give you no scoring distribution data since none have been calculated -- and won't be. And I am dismayed that filmmakers would stoop to such money-making tactics as making a film of raw vulgarity and debauchery with "Santa" in the title and release it during the Christmas season.

However, one of our emailers expressed grave concerns about the potential of Bad Santa to fool even the most discerning moviegoer with the name "Santa" attached to the title during the Christmas season and almost pleaded that at least some warning about it be posted for our visitors. He said: "BAD SANTA might easily be mistaken for a traditional holiday movie, suitable for children, despite the MPAA rating. I believe it would be beneficial to your readership if you were to provide a CAP analysis of it." Another regular visitor who shared the same concerns offered to provide us with a guest commentary since he was able to set through the film. While I will not conduct a full analysis of Bad Santa, following is the guest commentary for Bad Santa by Dan Ferrisi. Scriptural applications are inserted by myself.

I went to see Bad Santa a couple of weeks ago, and here is a content report. The use of profanity is very heavy, with the total probably near 200 uses. <2 Tim. 2:16> The strongest profane word is certainly used more than one time per minute. The use of religious expletives was also heavy, with several instances of God's name in vain (more often than not with the attached four-letters) and Jesus's name in vain in numerous forms. Often, these words are spoken in front of children.

The title character is a heavy drinker and a heavy smoker. He is also extremely promiscuous. He engages in sex with several people during the course of the movie. He has sex with a female bartender numerous times, always while wearing his Santa hat. He also engages in sodomy with a woman while in a mall changing room. Only the feet are seen through the changing room door. In all of these encounters, there is no actual nudity shown. There is much crude language in explicit descriptions of the title character's various sexual conquests, given by himself and others.

In terms of violence, there are mild fisticuffs at various points, but all firmly within PG territory. The two strong episodes of violence occur near the end. First, there is a non-graphic vehicular homicide. Then, one character is threatened with a gun and later gets shot several times. There were no suicides.

Another aspect of the film that may concern viewers is the unrelentingly negative attitude of the title character; he pretty much hates everyone. He yells at parents and children alike. He asks the central child in the story "What's wrong with you?" a couple of times. His attitude is only partially reversed in the semi-happy ending.

Finally, both the title character and his accomplice are thieves. They work as a mall Santa and his elf simply to gain access to the store after closing time, and steal from the safe. The camera lingers on the title character breaking into the safe for quite a while. The theft is mostly played for laughs. No activities of the occult in nature are recalled.

Whether one will laugh at this film or despise every frame of it will vary wildly depending upon one's tastes. But for any potential viewer concerned about the wholesomeness of this film, be sure to keep the above content description in mind before paying to see this Santa.

If anyone entertains thoughts about doing guest commentaries for us, I will not ask anyone to do so because I will not ask you to subject yourself to such filth as Bad Santa If you have already seen a movie which we will not or cannot conduct analysis of and wish to warn parents and grandparents about a movie, I will consider posting your guest commentary but I will not ask you to watch any vulgar movie just so we can have a guest commentary of it.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:22 AM
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25. Makes you want to rent it, doesn't it?
the CRAPalerts can make the most innocent movies seem seamy / steamy.

And genuienly grungy ones, well, it's just swell fun to imagine how this reviewer secretly enjoyed every second of the film, prior to pontificating about how evil it is.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:08 AM
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27. Probably went home and masturbated...
...to the "fuck me santa! fuck me santa!" scene.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:36 AM
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32. The best part of the site, imo:
We are sorry but this is a raw html page with no user-searchable, sortable features. Until we can find funding to make this a long-term, fulltime ministry we cannot afford to retrofit it into a database operation.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:30 AM
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26. LOL@Gay Mafia... And "perverted lovers" and "nightmarish homosexual rape"
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 08:31 AM by Misunderestimator
:wtf: This guy's perverted sexual fantasies are really whacked.

"If only the leftists, radical feminists and communists would show the same compassion for the wives of homosexual perverts like these two characters, the world might be a better place."

He says the film is boring but it doesn't sound like it to me.

:rofl:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:12 AM
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28. Some People Just Don't Like ....
Westerns.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:19 AM
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29. "...presents a very negative stereotype of strong heterosexual fathers"
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 10:19 AM by iconoclastNYC
This is ridiculous reaching here.

Jack Twists wife's father is overbearing and hates Jack. During Thanksgiving dinner at Jack's house. Jack's wife tells thier son to not watch TV until he eats his dinner. He ignores her. Jack's father in law turns off the TV. Jack Swift finally works up the nerve to stand up to his father in law and there is a little controntation.

This is a stereotype of disrespectful INLAWS -- not strong hetereosexual fathers.

But the truth may never stand in the way of furthering the radical homophobic agenda.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:42 AM
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42. hetero dads are a persecuted minority like Christians who celebrate
Christmas.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:16 PM
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69. Yeah, really.
:sarcasm:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:39 AM
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40. this movie strikes at heart of irony of homophobes:
the activities they consider most manly require them to spend a lot of time with just men.

That doesn't mean all cowboys, football players, and hunters are gay...

but this movie should rightly make them wonder.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:45 AM
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43. "a scene that plays like a nightmarish homosexual rape"
:popcorn:
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:51 AM
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45. So, people who enter Heaven are no longer in their graves?
"If he wasn't in heaven, my father, 1930's box-office award-winning, Hollywood cowboy star, Bob "Tex" Allen – and his more recognizable successors, like John Wayne and Gene Autry – would be rolling over in their graves."

I'm confused...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:01 PM
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58. Heh heh
I guess the figure of speech. I say that all the time. So and so is rolling in their graves. As a Christian and person of spiritual faith I believe when you die your spirit leaves your body and your body turns to dust and back to the earth. So it does seem kind of weird to use that phrase. I guess I never thought about it before now how it does seem weird.
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:57 AM
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46. The reviewer, a doctor, mentions a few modern
Westerns that are in keeping with the spirit of the classic Hollywood Western; one of them is "Tombstone." In that movie we have a spectacularly high body count, buckets of gore, and an opening scene where a wedding is shot up and the beautiful bride, clad in white, is dragged back into the church with the extremely strong implication that she is to be raped there.
During a long revenge montage, the heroes get even with the villains, killing "bad guys" whose death scenes mark the only time they appear on film (we have to assume they are very bad guys indeed). One villain, stumbling around an opium den, has a long pistol shoved into his mouth and is shot in that position. Yep, love the family values of Western movies.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:02 PM
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60. Oh yeah
All the killing and raping. I remember when I was younger I used to love to watch Western shows. Those I don't think were too bad since my parents let me watch them.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:18 PM
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48. So...
Once this guy masturbated for the 5th or 6th time while watching this film it got "boring" for him? Is that what he's trying to say?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:20 PM
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52. No, He Turned On His Trusty "San Quentin" Video For That...
He's more into jail than cowboys apparently!
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:39 PM
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72. Yeah, he sure was able to simulate that prison scenario quickly wasn't he?
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MamaBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:30 PM
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49. I think I must have seen a different version
Or maybe they're showing a whole different movie here. I thought the wives were treated with respect by the writers, Ang Lee and especially the actresses.

I don't think the reviewer had the capacity for depth and ambivalence. I thought there were a lot of both in the film.

What I found most depressing was as I watched the scenes shot in the homes Ennis shared with his wife and kids. Reminded me of country roads and homes with the paint hanging on by a tongue, porches crammed full of mostly dead appliances, yards full of weeds and junker cars.

I found it interesting when looking at www.rottentomatoes.com (I always look after I've seen the film) that it seemed like some reviewers didn't mind the sex, but they did mind that the sex wasn't tender enough, or "loving" enough, or -- were they saying it wasn't straight enough?

I think it's a great film, especially if you're prepared to think afterward.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:05 PM
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62. You gotta remember
who is writing the review and for what purpose. They're all hatefilled and it's so sad how they claim to be doing it in Jesus' name. Gee, I don't remember Jesus talking about gay people. We all know if he did the people who translated and put the Portestant Bible together would have made sure that lived like they did with slavery. It's really sad how they care more about sexual issues (whether with gay people or abortion) than they do helping the poor, elderly, children and enviornment.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:34 PM
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55. "...like a nightmarish homosexual rape set in San Quentin Prison..."
Um, how would the "good" Dr. Ted Baehr know just what "a nightmarish homosexual rape set in San Quentin Prison" is like? :evilgrin:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:04 PM
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61. I bet he reviewed the movie without actually having seen it!
And was looking for an excuse to use the phrase "nightmarish homosexual rape at San Quentin" in a review.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:06 PM
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63. That's pretty obvious in the review
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 03:06 PM by FreedomAngel82
He goes on more about the gay sex than he does the actual content of the film. It's easy to do with the previews.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:10 PM
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66. ROTFLMAO!!
:rofl:
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:07 PM
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64. Yeah, well he apparently liked "Silverado"
Except for an occasional movie like "Silverado," "Pale Rider" or "Tombstone," Hollywood keeps trying its best to ruin the spirit of the western.
'Nuff said.



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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 05:50 PM
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73. What they don't like to realize is that the "western" as they saw it
Was always a fantasy. This 50s-esque image of a nice, clean, honorable western frontier was a construct, completely divorced from any and all reality. If you want a much more realistic western, try watching HBO's Deadwood. Cursing, killing, honor, sex, revenge, corruption, racism--a real, honest look at how society works when you don't have law. But the fantasy John Wayne version of the world figures heavily in the fundie mindset, because it creates for them an idealized world where Men were Men, Women were trophies, and everything is black and white, good or bad, just the way they like it.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:03 PM
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74. That's exactly right
No to mention there were a lot of black cowboys that are never shown in those movies. My main point was intended to be though, that "Silverado" was an incredibly bad movie & this jerk liked it & held it up as an ideal.




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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:27 PM
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75. Ah. I wouldn't know, I haven't seen it. NT.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:09 PM
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65. Dr. Baehr is ...
of the "do as I say, not as I do" sect. He liked the flick, but STAY AWAY! It's a homoerotic fiasco!



"...and sometimes laughable, though well-produced and well-photographed travelogue." :eyes:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:14 PM
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68. ...
:wtf:

"If only the leftists, radical feminists and communists would show the same compassion for the wives of homosexual perverts like these two characters, the world might be a better place."

Homosexual perverts? Um, hello? How bigoted can you GET?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:23 PM
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77. They can yell and scream all they want
it's too late. Brokeback Mountain placed 8th in the top 10 this week with a total take of 3.5 million. While that doesn't sound like much, it's only showing on a total of 69 screens. The next lowest number of screens in the top 10 this week is Syriana at 1775. The most screens is Narnia with 3680. Brokeback is breaking single screen records all over the country.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:01 AM
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79. Yay! My Hub Just Got An Academy Screener in The Mail!
Woohoo!!!
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:06 AM
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80. In related news...
Iran's new president banned all western music today.
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