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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:13 PM
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In remembrance of Morning Sedition
For those of us dealing with the grief of parting from Morning Sedition here's a nice analysis (by Christopher Arnott in the New Haven Advocate, February 10, 2005) of what made Sedition and especially Marc exceptional:

If you wanted to identify the consummate Air America host, the person who most clearly represented the network, it probably wouldn't be the much-ballyhooed Franken, who spends too much time baiting right-wing broadcasters like Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter and not enough time developing his own shtick. It wouldn't be Janeane Garofalo, who too often comes off as insecure and naive in her views. It wouldn't be the exceptional Randi Rhodes, who has been doing radio successfully for a while and hasn't needed to alter her singular style just because she's gone from solo syndication success to a network berth. Ditto with established broadcaster Marty Kaplan and his muckraking So What Else is News show on Saturday afternoons.

No, the defining voice of Air America is probably that of the guy who kicks off the network's broadcasting day at 6 a.m. with a gruff yet amiable growl, ready to take on the world.

I remember a moment in the early '90s when Marc Maron was a regular guest on the late night talk shows. One night, chatting with Conan O'Brien, he launched into a list of when you should start to get your act together. One item was, "You're sleeping on your friend's couch--and you're 40." I looked over at my couch, at a friend in his mid-40s, asleep, and thought, "This guy's good." Maron is trenchant, aware, and as casual and creative on a talk-show couch as he is in a nightclub--or a theater stage, where his long-form stand-up routine on religious identity, The Jerusalem Syndrome, was an Off Broadway hit in the mid-nineties.

With co-host Mark Riley, Maron has turned Morning Sedition into a breakthrough radio experience. It's raw, but it doesn't need vulgarity to keep the early-morning listeners awake. It tackles topical issues, but doesn't get bogged down in them. It lets its guests breathe--visiting musicians can play three or four songs in a row. There is a constant stream of original comedy routines to break up the news and interviews, and some segments, like The Liberal Confessional, are especially designed to encourage listener participation. Maron and Riley are rare in the equality of their co-hosting. They both seem primed to burst into a conversation at any moment. They also offer a layered approach to liberal radio--their opinions don't seem black and white, cut and dried. They're as likely to actively question a clueless leftie cause-monger as a righteous right-winger.

Before starting Morning Sedition, Maron--who just renewed his contract, and will do the show for at least two more years--had no radio experience. He also hadn't held a job where he had to come in at 4 a.m. Plus, he said in a telephone interview last week, "I was not a big radio listener. I was pretty much an NPR guy." He was a natural. "I was kicking around Los Angeles, had a deal with Fox to do some television, and I heard about this gig. I called Garofalo up, she said call Lizz Winstead. So I called Lizz and said, 'I want to do the morning show'--honestly, I didn't want any other time slot. I wanted the opportunity to make a real go of this, something competitive, something through which I could one, take down the president, and two, create a new type of radio show."

One area in which he stands out as radio host is how well he handles some of his crazier callers. I remind him of the time a caller claimed that "the moon moved" behind the Twin Towers on Sept. 11, suggesting extraterrestrial interference on that tragic day. Maron deftly deflected this theory, repeating the magic phrase "the moon moved" in a way which sounded like he was clarifying, rather than mocking, the observation. He then gingerly extricated himself from the conversation before it got much loonier.

"I've gotten mail liking how respectful we are to listeners. These can be really fragile people. There's no reason to shut them down." At the same time--and unlike the more conspiracy-minded Stephanie Miller, say--he doesn't let those with unsubstantiated charges ramble on too long: "We had to decide, 'What are we as a show? Are we going to get mired in speculation and conspiracy theories?'"

The energy on Morning Sedition comes from outrage, based on unbelievable stuff that's actually happening in the world. There's also a balance between journalistic fact-gathering and entertaining indignation. "We've been striving for that for a while," Maron says. "Riley's the guy who'll flesh out the news, and I'm the guy who'll go, 'What the fuck?!' A lot of what we do is conversational.

"You're hearing a real piece of ensemble work, a radically new presentation. We all dug in and wanted this to work. We had a desire, collectively. We were all pretty idealistic."

http://newhavenadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:99568

:cry: :cry: :cry:
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:32 PM
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1. the only show i listened to on my way to work. i will miss it.
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 07:33 PM by ellenfl
i never listened to talk shows until aar. now i never listen to music anymore.

ellen fl
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:33 PM
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2. I miss them already...
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:38 PM
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3. Recommended and Kicked.
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 07:39 PM by longship
I loved Morning Sedition. I will be downloading all the PodCasts I can so I can continue enjoying Marc and Mark's edgy topical humor anytime I want.

And other than the guest list (which is fairly incredible--doubters should check out the incredible live broadcast from the New School with former Senator Bob Kerry), Morning Sedition had a huge cast of characters on regularly:

Planet Bush Bureau Chief Lawton Smalls, Milf Cardinal Milfington with Rapture Watch, Future Marc, Marc channeling Marc "The Shark", Bruce Cherry with his Pitch of the Week, the INews 5000 WiFi Headline Translator, the Morning Sedition Old Time Radio Players, the Palm Pilots of various ChimpCo people, Dream Digest, Liberal Confessional, the Liberal Agenda from the Streisand Compound, the M.S. Cliff Notes, Mort Mortenson with the Morning Remembrance, the M.S. Jobline, Sammy The Stem Cell, Al Qaeda News, Angus McFarquar Reports, etc.

There are so many stock bits that no two broadcasts are alike.

Morning Sedition has been the best damned issue framing in all of progressive radio. No other program can hold a candle to it. And now it's gone.

Good bye, philosopher kings and queens, liberal utopians with no sense of humor, etc. We'll miss you Marc and Mark.
:cry: :cry: :cry:

BTW, can you fix the link?

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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:12 AM
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15. The best was dream diary when Butch the Cat hazed Cheney on a
block of ice.

If you ever heard Marc's dreams about his dead cat Butch, you know what a genius he is.

He's the only edgy, trendy thing out there.

Mark Reilly and Rachel are fine, but they're average talent, and not funny at all.

They're firing a Robin Williams, a Billy Crystal, way too good to be compared with Seinfeld. He's brilliant and so honest. Open heart surgery, admitting every failing, insecurity. People who were upset by him didn't listen long enough to hear him tear himself up. He was too honest for them. His openness made them uncomfortable, including the management.


I'm switching to jazz in the morning. I'll catch Randi on the way home.

I'm on your mailing list, Marc. I'm ready to follow you wherever you turn up. God bless. And have another cookie.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:30 AM
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16. Riley (note sp) dovetails beautifully with Maron.
Morning Sedition would not have been half as good as it was without Mark Riley. One thing that showed everybody the professionalism of the show was the interplay between Marc and Mark. They were as tight as could be. It sounded scripted, but you *knew* that it wasn't. Try out some of the interviews again and catch how Marc and Mark pass off to each and to the interviewee without walking over each other and without any pregnant pauses. No show with multiple hosts on AAR does this as well. We MSers take this for granted, but try out Majority Report some day when Janeane and Sam are in the studio together. Their interviews are good, but they are not nearly as polished as Marc and Mark.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:52 PM
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21. I love Butch the Cat
but I think that there's quite a few I haven't heard including the one you mention. I'll have to download those and listen when it all gets to be too much. There seem to be some sources popping up on the net.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:40 PM
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4. Thanks for the Article n/t
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:53 PM
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5. RIP, Lawton Smalls
"God loves you, Marc. Deal with it." :cry:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:42 AM
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19. i am so gonna miss him!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:00 PM
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6. Okay, who's chopping onions?
:cry:
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:12 PM
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8. Must just have a few sniffles
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:10 PM
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11. Oh, how I am going to miss their silly bits.
As sad as it is confounding. Of all shows to cancel. The owners/tiny minds who came up with this decision will hopefully come to regret it. I wish someone else would pick the show up, but I guess Reilly (sp?) is still under contract with AAR.

So sad.

:cry:
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:08 PM
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7. Article link
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:15 PM
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9. Great article thanks for posting it. I will never understand whyAAR did
this, cancel Morning Sedition and change the two Mark(c)s to one. I think they had a great chemistry with each other as co-hosts and they obviously had become good friends. This just sucks, and Springer is still on, inexplicably. I think this was a really dumb move on the part of AAR programing. The only good thing will be getting the chance to hear Rachel again since she's on when I'm awake in the NY market and for an extra hour.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:11 PM
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12. I agree with everything you said here. I'll really miss the show and it's
demise makes absolutely no sense to me with Springer's show remaining.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:06 PM
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10. I wish they had given it more time...
I honestly started listening to AAR to hear Franken, then Rhodes, then Seder/Garofolo -- I had to get used to Malloy and to Marc & Mark. And now I love the variety - the differences in emotional tone, in perspective on the big events.

I wonder whether AAR isn't cutting Morning Sedition because they are trying to serve one narrow focus-group "the heavy-duty news and analysis crowd" rather than trying to attract diverse audiences.

I think AAR would grow faster & become stronger if they programmed for a variety of liberal 'types' - which is why I think we should put up with Springer - he draws in listeners who are more likely to listen to other shows. I just wish Springer was shorter!
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:15 PM
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14. Or maybe the goal is
a more liberal version of NPR. Whatever it is, they're risking the loss of an important segment of their audience. Liberals/progressives are looking for far more than "heavy-duty news and analysis". We're hungry for humor and pathos and entertainment as well as a liberal perspective on news and politics, but many of want a more cerebral version than the schlock that's often out there. Morning Sedition provided that to a lot of us.

As far as putting up with Springer to bring more middle-of-the roaders over to our side, I'd be more than willing to give him an hour or two if it meant we could get MS back! I agree with the general tenor of your post. I haven't got a problem with balance. It's just that we've been through this one too many times, first with Unfiltered and now with MS.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:43 PM
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13. It will hardly seem worth getting out of bed in the morning
Without Morning Sedition to brighten the slog in to another day of wage slavery
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:58 AM
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17. Rebroadcast of final show - today and Sunday + picture of cast/crew
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 09:09 AM by checks-n-balances
Huge Cast/crew picture here:

http://shows.airamericaradio.com/ms/node/1108#comment

Includes:
Brendan McDonald
Matt Emmerich
Kent Jones
Dave "Little Goliath" Livingston
John Crimmings
Jim Earl
Dan Pashman
Barry Lank
Chip Cristarella
Lucy Carrigan
Wayne Gillman
Marc Maron
Mark Riley
Kris Lo Presto
Shelley Lewis
Trent Wolbe

Final replays this weekend from an Air America affiliate:
http://www.620kpoj.com/listen/index.php

12-3 pm Eastern (9am-12pm Pacific)
11am-3pm (8am-12pm Pacific)

RIP, Morning Sedition - best radio show EVER.
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:43 PM
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20. Thanks for the info Checks
I'm tuned in now. Maron is talking about his cat Butch.

Oh man, I'm getting all teared up as I listen.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:38 AM
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18. This pisses me off; some of us don't like to put to sleep at 7:00 a.m.
I understand that the plan is to put an NPR-like news and talk show on in the morning, with Mark Riley and Rachel Maddow discussing issues of the day. I don't know why that's making my eyes... glaze... over as I type thiszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Morning Sedition, whatever you thought of it, was fucking FUNNY a LOT of the time. Cardinal Mort Milfington's Rapture Watch, Mort Mortenson's Morning Rememberance, Lawton Smalls, the Headline Translator, Maron's transformations into the right-wing talk radio host Mark the Shark... A lot of us could really USE a smile or two on the way to our shit jobs, and I could always count on the MS gang for at LEAST one laugh-out-loud moment every morning.

Guess I'll have to go back to my local "morning zoo". :puke: I can't stand being serious ALL the time.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:07 PM
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22. I just made an email group out the the directors, and I'm going to keep
emailing them as I think of it, to bring Marc back.

I hope it really irritates them.

I hope Marc comes up for air on TV. I saw him live in jersey and he's even better in person. I think he's 10 times funnier and more entertaining than Seinfeld.

I'll see you all at seditionists.
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