Why the anti-choice crowd will always be anti-choice: $$$$ and white babes

[Maddy McCall]

Yep, that's right. Here's how it works. Many anti-choice groups are tied to "Christian Crisis Pregnancy Centers." They protest at clinics three days a week, where they hand out literature that tells young women that they will be murderers if they have the abortion, and they give the girls another number to call--their Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Many young women are victims of guilt promulgated by the right's proselytizing that aborts are murder, and that women who have abortions have PTSD and eventually get breast cancer because of their abortion. So the young women call the Crisis Pregnancy Center, where they are promised support during their pregnancy, and a loving family to adopt the little blue-eyed baby when it's born. Do these girls receive any kind of advice on contraceptive use? Hell no. Do they receive help if they decide to keep their babies? Usually not, and they are usually directed away from keeping their babies. That would defeat the whole purpose of the Crisis Pregnancy Center. Gotta have babies for adoptions.

The money? It comes from donations given to these Crisis Pregnancy Centers by couples desperate for a little white baby. If there are no more babies coming in, then there will be no more donations coming in.

So, if anyone at DU thinks that the anti-choice folks are going to weaken their assault on women's rights by adopting a pro-contraception stance, well, it just ain't gonna happen.

[abluelady]

1. I am Curious

Do you know what percentage of white women put babies up for adoption? Thanks.

[eppur_se_muova]

2. And let's stick to the more accurate "anti-choice", not "pro-life"

Almost everyone is pro-life -- that's why they protest against killing Iraqis, sending America's kids to be killed in Iraq, killing people by lethal injection, abandoning poor people to die in New Orleans, etc. etc. Fighting THAT is the real PRO-life agenda.

[neuvocat]

3. I'm sure that's part of it but...

Planned Parenthood was also formed originally to thin out the black population but it backfired because white couples started having abortions too. Planned Parenthood was originally a government program.

[rd_kent]

4. To thin out the black population??????

Whew, thats a statement!

[ultraist]

13. Oh,yes, that is just SO far fetched

That back in the fifties and sixties the government would sponsor programs to keep the Black population down.

I guess all of those claims about eugenics programs are just tin foil hat, crazed theories.

:sarcasm:

[Maddy McCall]

17. No, they aren't tin foil hat theories. IT's well documented in the...

historiography of the civil rights movement that many black women went into the hospital to have a baby (and the overwhelming majority of them were MARRIED) and were sterilized against their will while there.

Read some of the works on Fannie Lou Hamer. She was one of the women who was sterilized against her will.

[ultraist]

19. I'll add the sarcasm tag. ;) LOL. n/t

[Maddy McCall]

20. Yes, I knew that you were being sarcastic.

I was just posting the info above for the edification of DUers who cannot believe that any form of eugenics ever happened in the US, especially in mid-20th century.

:hi:

[ultraist]

24. oops...

Gotcha.

:hi:

[JanMichael]

21. This is Stephanie (Thtwudbeme)

I am hoping that Michael gets to meet one of my old Sunday School teachers at Christmas....June M. She was sterilized in Charlotte, NC under the NC eugenics program because she was "unfit" to have children in the eyes of the state.

NC apologized for the eugenics program that ended in the early seventies.

This isn't ancient history by any stretch of the imagination.

It's horrible.

[Maddy McCall]

23. Has June ever sat down and recorded an oral history?

Someone at Chapel Hill needs to sit down with her and let her tell her story. It's so necessary for future historians to have access to it.

If you ever get a chance, read the biography of Fannie Lou Hamer. I can't remember the title right now...but when I think of it I will PM it to you.

:hi:

[Thtwudbeme]

30. I honestly don't know if she has or not

nor am I sure who could approach her with that.

June is slightly...very slightly...retarded. It's noticable...but she adores children, and we didn't notice, nor did we care.

However...one "bad" thing about June. She is STILL trying to boss me around when she sees me...and I am FORTY TWO years old! ;)

What's up with THAT?

But, yes...that history needs oral voices attached to it.

[eppur_se_muova]

6. I thought Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger?

She fought for rights to contraception. Abortion wasn't part of the mix until much later.

PS:Not the original name of the group, can't recall what it was right now.

[TheDebbieDee]

7. I've never heard that about Planned Parenthood before........

It's an interesting view on things. Is there anyplace online where I can find out more about the tie between reducing the black population and Planned Parenthood?

[Warpy]

10. That is not only bullshit, it's slander

Yeah, Margaret Sanger dabbled in eugenics, but it was more along the lines of reducing the numbers of dull witted poor folks, not color per se. It was fashionable at the time to think human ingenuity could improve the human genome and eiliminate the retarded, the criminal, and the merely ugly.

It comes back from time to time, too.

However, Planned Parenthood was founded to distribute birth control knowledge and devices to married women so that they could space their children and that every child would be a wanted one, no more of these women ruining their health with a yearly pregnancy to produce a child so weakened by hunger that it would succumb quickly to the diseases of childhood.

[neuvocat]

25. Its neither bullshit or slander

and that lady is no hero-which I am sure saddens you to no end. Here's a link to get you started. Read it and weep.

http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

[JanMichael]

11. That's a theory...don't let the "OMG" people tell you that you are

completely wrong.

Margaret Sanger was indeed "dabbling" in eugenics...and futhermore Gee W's daddy supported Planned Parenthood probably for that very reason.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

27. Can you back that up?

That astounds me. Links?

[neuvocat]

31. Look a little further up on the thread.

About 3 posts or so.

[Andromeda]

32. That's hard to believe.

Could you provide some documentation to back up your statement?

[TheDebbieDee]

5. The only thing I see wrong with these Crisis Pregnancy Centers

is that they are not up front with the women about what their real goals are: procuring white babies so that they are adopted by (sold to) white couples.

If the women are talked (note: I said talked and not harrassed) into the plan, then the baby is adopted instead of aborted, a mother can be sure that her baby is going to a good home and finally, a responsible person or couple get a baby. What's the harm?

[Maddy McCall]

15. If you think that CPCs are ok and "what's the harm"...

then you haven't read all of the posts in this thread.

The problem is that the girls are emotionally manipulated into giving up their babies. And what makes you think that a single parent can't be as "responsible" as a married couple? (I'm a divorced parent--I'm doing just fine with my son, who I birthed and raised ALONE, thank you.)

The harm is that the CPCs aren't upfront in all of their advertisements about them being an adoption exchange. If these young girls knew that the true mission of these centers is to find white babies for white couples, then I am sure that many of the girls would stay away from them.

Read my post below, about one of my students' experience with the CPC near campus.

[TheDebbieDee]

26. Did you READ my post?

You wrote: The problem is that the girls are emotionally manipulated into giving up their babies.
I wrote: If the women are talked (note: I said talked and not harrassed) into the plan,......What's the harm?


You wrote: And what makes you think that a single parent can't be as "responsible" as a married couple?
I wrote: A mother can be sure that her baby is going to a good home and finally, a RESPONSIBLE person or couple get a baby. (On a personal note, I'm a divorced mother that has raised two daughters!)


You wrote: The harm is that the CPCs aren't upfront in all of their advertisements
I wrote: The only thing I see wrong with these Crisis Pregnancy Centers is that they are not up front with the women about what their real goals are.

[Maddy McCall]

28. Response.

Your last "I wrote" precludes your first "I wrote." They ARE manipulative, so there's no way it can be ok.

As for your second "I wrote," just because a white couple applies to adopt a child does not mean that they are "responsible."

[libodem]

8. I heard an e-mail being read

on a radio program the other day. The gist of it was a lady who volunteers for one of those pregnancy support groups was lamenting the 13-19 y/o crowd coming in and wanting to keep their babies. She was so mad that the first thing those girls asked for were papers to sign up for welfare. She ranted that the state makes it so easy for these girls. For someone in a position to help, she was very judgmental, seemed to hate the girls, and only pushed the adoption option. Yep, all they want to do is cull the blue-eyed babes. Oh, yeah, boy did she hate planned-parenthood. And for anyone who has tried to survive on welfare, the grants are sometimes 50% of the cost of living from 10 years ago. It's no picnic.

[Maddy McCall]

12. That's exactly what I'm hearing here.

I know a young woman (a college student) who went to one of these Crisis Pregnancy Centers to get some assistance with prenatal care and, she hoped, after the baby was born, with baby supplies.

She got neither. What she got instead was a lecture about how much her baby would suffer because she was a single parent, and that if she truly cared about her baby, she would allow a married Christian couple to adopt it, because that was the best way the baby could have all that it needed.

She left the Crisis Pregnancy Center, applied for medicaid, and had the baby, a little girl. She kept her little girl and is very happy and is still persuing her degree.

Can you believe how they manipulate these young women into giving up their babies?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

34. That is unethical

Nobody should ever be pressured to give up a child. I know that personally I could never do it, and nobody in my family would put a baby up for adoption. I have nothing against adoption at all, but it is not for me or mine. We KEEP ours! And we have.

[eppur_se_muova]

36. Sounds to me more like they are wanting to raise FUNDIE babies.

The black/white issue may be a red herring. If a "sinful heathen" woman gives up her baby to be raised by "Good Christians", that is one less heathen, and one more fundie, in the next generation.

Can't say they don't understand long-term planning.:scared:

[Catherine Vincent]

9. I've always said the main reason most so called Pro-Lifers are

up in arms about abortion, is because the majority of abortions are performed on white women. If it was the other way around, I don't think they'd give a damn.

[SoCalDem]

14. the Pill killed the "maternity home" business

these freaks had to find a new way to get access to the diminishing supply of "acceptable" babies..

Teenaged shame is what fueled the whole industry for decades. The Boomer generation said.. screw that!, and the uptight (but apparently barren) finger-pointers still want those little blond, blue-eyed babies.

[Maddy McCall]

16. Right on.

And they will stoop to any form of manipulation to get them.

What's sad is that these white couples that depend on the CPCs for their babies are now giving up, and, instead of adopting one of the many white and black children in foster care, they go to Romania or the Ukraine to find their blonde, blue-eyed babies.

[SoCalDem]

18. Or "Latin America" if you are a Supreme Court sorta guy

:evilgrin:

[Maddy McCall]

22. LOL. So true.

:hi:

[Scout1071]

29. Ding, ding

I went to a majority white high school in the Burbs and couldn't even begin to count the number of my classmates who had one.

Phil Kline, the Kansas AG, wanted to dig thru abortion clinic records to "search for evidence of child molesation" (or some such B.S.) and people were up in arms. I was angry during the debacle, but I finally said "Fuck it. Open 'em up. Let's see exactly how many of those SUV's with W stickers stand with the Republicans." I knew women would from across the burbs, roughly 25-50 yrs old, would freak out. It was last year and it could have swayed a great many voters. BUT, the AG backed off and they carried on their merry way voting for the chimp again.

[Swamp Rat]

33. yep n/t

[TallahasseeGrannie]

35. Is that statistic true?

Somehow I always was under the impression there were more abortions in the black community, but I don't know where I go that from.

[Maddy McCall]

37. "black community?"

Can you tell me where this "black community" is located?

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

38. Just wanted to ad my 2 cents

My sister is currently pregnant and is going thru a divorce, she visited a women's sheltor that has a counseling program in regards to single mothers expecting. We are white and this sheltor is in a really heavy occupied white town and county. She comes back from the first visit and she basically say's they try to convince these young women to give up their babies for adoption in a round about kind of way, telling about all the hardships they will face being a single mother. Not really offering any advice or solutions, they just say like hey we have info on adoption services which might be best for the child. Basically most of the young women there were teenagers and my sister was the oldest expecting mother there being in her late 20's. She has a good job with middle class pay and can afford to raise this child on her own, her and baby won't be living in some huge house but they won't be living in section 8 apartments. So this was never an option in her judgment. I guess she was directed towards this place from a cousin we have. I figure out that our cousin probably knew about this place because she adopted a child about 20 some years ago, and maybe this place had some connection to it. I know for a fact our cousin didn't know they do this kind of stuff or she wouldn't suggested for my sister to go there, She was just thinking it might be good for her to meet other single expecting mothers there. So what does anyone else think, does this place sound like their in it to help women or are they in to get a cut out of the adoption cost, I personally think their in it to get a cut.