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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:10 PM
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Would you support the Anti-Abortion Crowd IF...
Instead of "Ban it! Ban it!", they supported finding ways to prevent abortions through Social Programs and were not Anti-Contraceptive?
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:11 PM
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1. Yup.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:12 PM
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2. I think the real motivation is control over women

if they gave a shit about "life" they would be raising hell over bush relaxing standards on mercury pollution which causes birth defects.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:12 PM
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3. No - because I still believe in autonomy over your own body.
But they'd get a lot more consensus, not counting me.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:13 PM
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5. exactly
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:13 PM
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4. That makes no sense, the two don't go hand & hand.
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 05:13 PM by William769
I hate Abortion, but I still believe that it is the womans choice. Let that decision be between her & her maker.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:14 PM
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6. no because on some issues you can't compromise, give them and inch
and they will indeed take over.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:14 PM
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7. nope, women will get abortions, legal or not
or die trying,...
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:14 PM
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8. i support anti choice people as long as
they are also anti death penalty and anti war, thats it.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:14 PM
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9. Yes. In a heartbeat.
In fact, that's why I can agree with Jimmy Carter.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:15 PM
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10. in what way are they acting against reproductive freedom then?
if they are against it, i'm sure they'd be working to limit it somehow, no?
seems like you are talking about a crowd that doesn't actually exist....
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:15 PM
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11. Nope, they would ban the woman's right
to a doctor because they would ban abortion. Every woman has the right to a physician if she decides to abort. Back room butchers should be permanently put out of business.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:15 PM
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12. Maybe. I would support the anti-abortion crowd if...
They would just drop the whole shitty "when does life begin" argument. It's been done 10,000,000,000 times! :puke:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:16 PM
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13. Absolutely, using education and social programs would not deter
free choice for women about their own bodies, it would simply offer more choices. Nothing wrong with that.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:16 PM
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14. Nope.
It's not enough. They'd have to support contraception and social programs, and allow for situations when abortion may be necessary -- based on a decision made between the woman and her doctor alone.

As it is, they'll never do that because they don't give a damn about anything except their own agenda of dominating women's lives.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:17 PM
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15. They shouldn't be "anti-abortion"
but they should be doing the things you describe rather than pry in people's lives and terrorize women, abortion clinics, Planned Parenthood offices, etc. I would love it if these people spent their time being part of the solution to unwanted pregnancies. But I still do not want it outlawed.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:17 PM
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16. I still couldn't support them, but it would make me feel a little
more tolerant of them. I can't condemn someone who is anti-abortion as long as they don't try to force their opinions on someone else's life.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:17 PM
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17. I will never compromise on my right to make decisions about my body.
Never.

These people do not care about 'right to life' only about who they can control. They are shameless.
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Ayesha Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:17 PM
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18. Absolutely
If they put as much time and money into supporting effective contraception, abortion would be virtually a thing of the past. Truth be told, I share some of their concerns about late-term abortions, but I also believe that most late-term abortions are the fault of fundies. They've got no one to blame but themselves and their hatemongering that makes contraception and early abortion difficult to obtain and stigmatized instead of affordable and accessible.

The problem here though is that you're wrongly taking their opposition to abortion as a genuine concern for human life, when in reality, their goal is to control women's bodies and regulate all sexuality under their bullshit "morality."
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:18 PM
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19. They aren't against abortion. They're against sex.
Giving birth is their idea of punishing naughty women who dare to enjoy themselves in ways that doesn't involve prayer.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:23 PM
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20. that's why women always go "OMG, OMG, OMG"
when enjoying the act
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:27 PM
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23. Women exclaim...
..."O.M.G." Mighty peculiar women you hook up with. If they don't enjoy it, what do they yell? CIA, FBI, IMHOUS?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:31 PM
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24. mostly what some guy told Cheney... nt
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:26 PM
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21. No
Because that's a fantasy land. Those that are stridently anti-choice are also anti-social programs and anti-contraceptive and anti-funsex and anti-gay and anti-american. What is this creature you speak of, because I've not met one of that breed, and those that might vaguely be classified as you outline (not for banning, not anti-contraception, not anti-social programs, pro-reducing poverty and pro-reducing unwanted pregnancies), I ALREADY work with. No one I know that is pro-choice is pro-abortion.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:26 PM
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22. Not unless they dropped their antiwoman call for a ban
which is something they will never do.

I'm perfectly comfortable with folks who hate abortion but realize it's not up to them to decide a woman's fate and who realize that they can only ban the safe, legal abortions. We call those folks prochoice.

Antiabortionists are just that. You can put lipstick on that pig in the form of minor social programs, but at heart those folks are antiwoman, anti family planning, anti contraception, and pro reproductive slavery.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:35 PM
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25. No. It's still anti-choice and people interfering where they shouldn't,,,
interfere.

That they even think that they have a right to have a say in what I do with my body is my objection to them.

And remember--most of those nutcases are anti-contraception, too, and think that abstinence is the only answer.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:37 PM
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26. Reproductive freedom is not negotiable
Social services, on the other hand, I'm almost always for more of that.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:41 PM
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27. There was someone on the front of the USA Today who looked like a nun
at the Tookie execution protest with a sign that said "Pro-Life" and "Stop Abortion, War, Capital Punishment" and one other thing I couldn't read.

How about someone like that? At least they are consistent across the board. I can respect that.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:53 PM
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30. I can't, because antiabortion laws kill women.
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 05:54 PM by Warpy
They never think about that part. The stupid jerks only think they can push women around, and never stop and think about what a horror show pushing abortion underground was and might be again.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:04 PM
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34. I admire consistency, I'll say that much.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:45 PM
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28. Social programs?
I hate to tell people this, but lots of unwanted pregnancies happen to middle and upper class women. It happens to married women, it happens to women 35, 40, and 45 years old.

No. Keep abortion legal. Let the woman decide. End of story.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:52 PM
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29. NOPE!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:57 PM
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31. I'm a Male and Feel I Do Not Have the Right
to decide on this issue. Therefore, I say no. Besides, these folks cannot be trusted. They have proven just how power hungry, ill-informed and insane they are.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:59 PM
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32. Nope
Although, I do support ways of reducing pregnancies through social programs.
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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:28 PM
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33. Abortion still needs to be available in case of emergencies-rape/incest
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 07:29 PM by bammertheblue
That's the whole point. Abortion isn't something people do for fun- they do it when they have no other options. If these "pro-life" people supported education and free or affordable contraception for every woman, abortions would be much rarer.
I have run into pro-lifers with this position (hint: they're usually the ones who REALLY pro-life, as in they are against the death penalty and war in general) but they are pretty rare. They also tell me they feel ostracized by the anti-women, anti-contraception, anti-education "pro-lifers".
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