There's a new man in charge of the White House & We're in Trouble

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Dim Son is DEFINITELY listening to someone else now. Rove and Libby are out. We are in trouble folks ! A more sensible leader will help the repigs next year.

Cases in point...

B** to accept torture ban
B** took uncensored questions after a speech this week
B** admitted the intelligence was wrong
B** admitted Iraqis have been killed and spouted out an Iraqi death toll (albeit way too low)
B** makes good on his NOLA bailout
B** talking to dems about war plan

[yurbud]

1. way, way too late. The goal now is probably to avoid impeachment

and prison personally.

[SteppingRazor]

8. Wanna bet?

The chances of Bush being impeached are nil unless we take over the House of Reps. And even then, it's practically an impossibility. Congress isn't even ready to recognize that Bush took us to war based on lies -- most just say he had "faulty intelligence."

We're stuck with Bush until 2008. I just hope we can take back Congress in 2006 and at least make him completely ineffectual.

[yurbud]

30. they seem to be setting up Bush to escape responsibility with bubble boy

meme the way senile worked for Reagan.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

40. I agree

He will never be impeached for acting on "faulty intelligence" or even WITH faulty intelligence. To do so would paralyze future presidents (including Dems) in regards to making decisions based on any intelligence at all. And, fact it...basically, they are all members of the same club.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Could be

But why now though? The 2006 midterms are quite a way aways... The republicans aren't going to do anything.

[SteppingRazor]

2. No, there's not a new MAN in charge...

Two words for ya: Karen Hughes

[Oceansaway]

3. i agree...n/t

[ewagner]

6. Agree

Big Momma is back in town......

[stop the bleeding]

7. Your right she is not a NEW man rather the same ole man she has

always been.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

43. She is handsome though. n/t

[DKStreet]

4. They are acting like a ship without a rudder

perhaps there is an internal power struggle? Or something big is about to blow? There is a sense of desperation emanating out of the WH.

[babylonsister]

5. Welcome to DU, DKStreet! nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. You think? To me, they are doing more of the right things and

I think it will pay off for them, unfortunately. They are co-opting our issues again, the dirty rats.

[Vincardog]

15. Welcome to DU DKS

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. good point-and welcome

to DU! :hi:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. "We are in trouble"??? Yeah, right.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. expound, please

[mattclearing]

11. Yeah...it doesn't matter what he does now, though, because he has

already been abandoned by the Aspens. This is desperation on the part of the White House. Whether or not it works, we shall see.

[bigbrother05]

13. B** admitted the intelligence was wrong

I think he's covering for Cheney.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. YES, you are probably right ! It's the master plan, Cheney will

retire early, but without besmirching B** (if people buy that statement that B** is responsible)

[seabeyond]

14. bush has fucked up every minute of his life. i am confident

he will continue to be a fuck up

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. well, it just goes to show you what a total sponge he is -- He is

absolutely anything anyone wants him to be.

[Greybnk48]

16. a kinder, gentler dubya

for 5 days will not overcome 5 years of hell. And wait till the indictments start flying along with the Enron trial, news about hackable voting machines, etc. Too late, baby.

[buddysmellgood]

18. Won't help. This is like having everybody take off their shoes to help

to help bail water in the sinking boat.

[Marr]

20. Dismal approval rating + congressional elections = time to play nice

That's all. Those guys are fucked.

The Bush Admin. can't afford to go to the wall on issues like prison torture, because they *will* be defeated. Authoritarians can't afford to be publicly defeated.

[antigone382]

21. Well, if it stops someone from being tortured, so be it.

I would rather Bush make a good choice--well, a choice that isn't completely fucked up, anyway--and gain a few percentage points, than that he make more extremely bad choices that lower his approval rating but create greater suffering. There's been enough of that to last a long time.

[OnionPatch]

53. I'm with ya there

I mean, how much more bullsh** can this country (and the rest of the world) take? I'm glad he's behaving or at least relatively behaving. Give us a break from his usual onslaught of ineptitude and arrogance.

I have a feeling it won't last long, though.

[Tsiyu]

22. Novak pointing a finger directly at **

is NOT a good sign for **


*Teehee* B-)

[WilliamPitt]

23. Um...two things

#1.

B** to accept torture ban = GOOD THING
B** took uncensored questions after a speech this week = GOOD THING
B** admitted the intelligence was wrong = SAME OLD BULLSHIT
B** admitted Iraqis have been killed and spouted out an Iraqi death toll (albeit way too low) = GOOD THING
B** makes good on his NOLA bailout = GOOD THING
B** talking to dems about war plan = GOOD THING

So with the exception of one same-old-bullshit thing, all of this is good. Good for us, good for the country, good for the world. I'm not willing to continue torture, listen to censored questions, ignore the body count in Iraq, leave NOLA to burn and have the Dems get ignored on the war, just to have a stick to beat George with. This is the same kind of logic that compels people to be cheerful about a shitty economy because that's bad for Bush. It's also bad for millions of people.

#2. Bush taking uncensored questions means sooner or later he will step on his dick.

[Stephanie]

24. He already stepped on it - did you read the Fox interview?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5604918&mesg_id=5604918

[dubyaD40web]

25. It's not that "long"

[KoKo]

32. But we all know he lies He doesn't fund what congress approves, he

goes through the "back door" to do what he wants even when Congress forbids whatever it is he wants.

He can't be trusted. This is all show. He won't fund NO's, he won't work with the Dems and he will torture as much as he damned well pleases. It's what he always has done, and there's no believing that anything will change.

He's a Liar, Liar, Liar. Liars don't change their ways when they are compulsive like Bush and they know they have little chance of being held accountable for any of their lies.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. Exactly

It's all for public show. Everything. He says one thing and than Congress and the Senate does something else completley. Anything to not blame him directly.

[Tamarin]

34. And, what's funny is, every time Bush makes a left turn,

he leaves his base sputtering in the background. They are so programmed to defend his actions that if he admits an error then they must, also.

[bmbmd]

37. This is our country, and he is all we have as a president

at this moment. If some adult influences him to govern more efficiently, to restore order and peace, to help the afflicted in NOLA, to resume our rightful place as champions of dignity and mercy, then I'm all for it.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. On the question(s)

I wonder if they were planted. Or at least Bush was prepared for them before hand and they "allowed" them. If he's doing anything out of the ordinary it's only to save his ass. Something is going on.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. Yes, the fact that they were all good things was given - co-opting

our issues, though, puts us in a worse position politically. We lose our leverage. So they act right for 11 months, enough to win, and then they start acting like crazy people again.

[tridim]

26. Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George decided

to do everything the opposite of what he'd normally do. That is, to tell the truth about his pathetic self. George tried his theory on new people, Chimpy is trying it on the same public that already knows he's a liar.

[rd_kent]

27. Hopefully, he is too far gone!

I want to see this a**hole impeached!

[Double T]

28. rove may be OUT, but.........

their will always be a 'rovian' type to take his place in the WH

[Al-CIAda]

29. "B** makes good on his NOLA bailout" -Um, no he didn't.

Do not spread this false information. If 3.1 billion is all we get, well, fuck you America.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

31. Hughes

my guess. She's the man in charge.
Rice is too shallow a thinker.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. And I also believe

that he "invited" some democrats to come and speak with him in a meeting. Harry Reid was asked about this earlier this week and he wasn't invited. Something is going on that's for sure.

[Peace Patriot]

41. "Tens of thousands of innocent people slaughtered. Oops, my bad."

It's not a matter of the majority of Americans swallowing crap like this. We don't matter. It's just for sound bites, so the war profiteering corporate news monopolies can have something to make him look good with, or not look so much like a ghoul with the bloody entrails of thousands of dead children dribbling from his goofy little Texas smile. They do illusions. It has nothing to do with what's right or what people think. It's the illusion that they create of what is, and the illusion of what people think about it, that matter. No fewer will die. No fewer will be tortured. No fewer lies will be told. And no fewer Americans will look at their TV sets, or read their newspapers, with mouths agape at what we have become.

Tell me about "the new Bush" after they've "Gulf of Tonkinned" us into Iran and Syria, and tens of thousands more innocents are sacrificed for this Neo-Con geo-political program of blowing Muslims to smithereens and grabbing the oil.

I want to know who they've taken on black flights to torture prisons in middle Europe and points east, because I don't think it's "terrorists." I think it's people who have the goods on the Bush Cartel. Say you were Condoleeza Rice and had unlimited power to torture and 'disappear' Chevron's enemies in third world countries. Or you were Dick Cheney, needing to cover up who the billion dollars went to, that slipped through Halliburton's hands. Or Donald Rumsfeld, having gained custody of the middle men who helped foil the Cartel plan to plant WMDs in Iraq after the invasion. Or CACI, having to get rid of some witnesses to their death squad activity.

No names. No faces. No charges against them, not even "enemy combatant." Just un-people whisked away to secret dungeons, never to be heard from again.

Ah, me. What have we become?

[newspeak]

42. yeah, the sheep are already out of the gate-

I'm tired of hearing that well, the war was based on lies, but now that we're there, we got to build what we broke. The thing is we're still doing more breaking than building. And, what we have done to the citizens of Iraq, makes my head bow in shame. Let's face it, Bush had plans to invade even before he was selected. The guy has no problem of seeing Americans, as well as, others killed to further his political agenda. He thinks war equals popularity. But as Hitler would publicly say one thing and do another, so does Bush. Hitler publicly proclaimed how he supported labor in Germany, but behind the scenes he was murdering labor leaders. Look at his actions, not his rhetoric. Sometimes he flubs up in his public venues. For instance, speaking to the Labor Dept, he said "we will surely fail," or during his campaign when he told his followers "we will not have an all voluntary military." To me his faux pas actually comes from his subconscious mind what he really believes--very scary, very scary, indeed.

[OzarkDem]

44. Old trick - saying one thing, doing another

This is a very old trick from the Rove playbook that Bush has used countless times - he says one thing and does another. He can always trust the news media to cover for him when he goes back on his promise.

[FrenchieCat]

45. Whoever it is...the corporate media sure is jumping on the

bandwagon.

"Bush is making a comeback" seems to be the new motto!

I hate this fucking media....so powerful and yet always so wrong!

[Patsy Stone]

46. Yep. From the latest Capitol Hill Blue

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7815.shtml

The White House's bitter debate over admitting a mistake
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 15, 2005, 06:59
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The debate that erupted in the Oval Office after Presidential Chief of Staff suggested President George W. Bush publicly admit that he led the country to war on the basis of false intelligence information rocked senior White House aides.

The anger that spilled from political guru Karl Rove’s lips was, according to those present at the meeting, the most vocal disagreement anyone had ever seen from the trusted advisor in front of the President. Discussions with those privy to the many meetings on determining the President's strategy show most senior aides lining up against Rove.

“This is a stupid fucking idea,” Rove said, his voice shaking. “This President doesn’t admit mistakes. A leader doesn’t acknowledge error.”

But Card, bolstered by the President’s willingness to try a new approach in speeches on Irag policy, admitting some mistakes while vowing to complete the mission in Iraq, pushed for the big one – a public Presidential admission that the intelligence information used to sell the war to Congress and the American people was wrong in the claims that Irag possessed weapons of mass destruction, posed an immediate threat to the United States or that proof existed of a link between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

Here's the GD Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5605339

[grasswire]

47. Card plus Feaver

That professor who developed his new "VICTORY" strategy. I believe Rove isn't in charge now, and THAT fact would indicate they believe he's going to have to leave the WH soon.

Good news and bad for us. Rove out. Someone in with a new strategy of appearing to rein in stubbornness.

It could be trouble.

[annabanana]

48. Rove (reputation aside) has been hamhanded

And not that hard to counter, lately. If this "new" bush is the creation of Hughes, we'll have to learn a few new steps. They are already lying..

1) the anti-torture agreement..
They have rewritten the Army Manual to give those guilty of torture a "following orders" out.
2) The bucks for New Orleans
It's nowhere near sufficient. They refused to say that the new dykes would stand up to a cat 5. And there are not enough details to determine that the money will be spent properly. (i.e. infrastructure and affordable housing etc)

[malaise]

49. They're all in trouble

but clearly the Roving 'jack of all trades' has been replaced by the full deck of Card(s). Remember the more he talks, the more grounds there are to impeach. I suspect Rove is going down and W has taken poppy's advise to jump ship.

[Patsy Stone]

50. Nah. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

"Bush wavered but came down on Card’s side when Karen Hughes, the Presidential confidante that Bush trusts even more than Rove, sided with the Chief of Staff."

Damage control. A kinder, gentler NeoCon strategery. Rove is being cut out (preparation for the perp walk) and the same old, same old continues. It sounds like someone (Hughes) gave Georgie a time-out.

[lies and propaganda]

52. i was wondering about this today

Because even when, or especially when, BushCo does something good, you still have to run for the hills.
I dont trust anything these smary fuckers do; even when I favor it. Which isnt much, but their finally getting the NOLA ball rolling.

[DinahMoeHum]

54. Uh, I doubt it. . .they're just in Cover Your Ass mode 24/7.

:evilgrin:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

55. Doesn't matter what Herr Busch is doing now to save his own butt....

...it's what he and the rest of his NeoCon buddies did over the last five years that is catching up to them.

He can admit to all he wants, but nothing changes the facts about how we ended up illegally invading another sovereign nation.

Nothing changes the facts about the growing number of U. S. and Iraqi dead in Iraq.

Nothing changes the fact that he and his advisors have ruined the best economy ever known to man, thereby ruining millions of Americans.

[xchrom]

56. whoever bush is listening to -- will it play in peoria?

i assume that they have already done polling and focus groups and know the answer.

57. Bush minus Rove for a brain has to be a good thing n/t