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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:37 AM
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This should be on the front page of every newspaper in America
and the Dem's should be all over this screaming bloody murder:

"So I say, 'Don't bug me. Don't bug Bob Woodward. Bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.' " Robert Novak

Why isn't anyone talking about this? The Fucking President of the United States knows who the bastard is who is covering all this shit up. He said he wanted to get to the bottom of this so why on earth isn't he speaking up? Why is the fucking media letting him slide on this? Why did only one Democrat even bring this up today? What the FUCK is wrong with everyone????


http://www.newsobserver.com/114/story/377675.html
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:39 AM
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1. Becuase we have such a liberal media
that they will jump on it, just wait, hold it... or maybe this proves once again we have a right wing, muzzled, media
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:36 AM
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16. ... and it hates America.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 06:52 AM
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28. imagine if it was Clinton
oh JEEZ just imagine....there would be hearings already
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:21 PM
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34. The media wants to create and keep close elections for their ratings.
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 12:24 PM by DaveTheWave
As was with the election. With the lies and corruption it would, as it should have been a clean-sweep landslide but nobody would be watching then. I look at all the big news networks as providing tabloid TV rather than reporting the news and the facts.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:46 AM
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2. It will be tomorrow...
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=bush+plame+novak

Albany Times Union Columnist Says Bush Knows Who Leaked Name
Washington Post, United States - 4 hours ago
Syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak, who has repeatedly declined ... identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame, said in ... that he is certain President Bush knows who ...
Columnist believes Bush knows who leaked CIA agent Pittsburgh Post Gazette
Bob Novak says president knows leak source San Jose Mercury News
Bush can settle CIA leak riddle, Novak says News & Observer
Editor & Publisher - RedState.org - all 134 related »

Washington Post More On Rove's Fate
The Moderate Voice - 21 hours ago
... Novak outed Plame in a July 14, 2003 column. ... testimony from Time Magazine reporter Viveca Novak—who Rove ... spell another PR nightmare for the Bush Administration ...
Novak says Bush knows Newsday
The "Out to Lunch" Defense Slate
Fitzgerald was long suspicious Rove had hidden evidence; Not ... uruknet.info
International Herald Tribune - all 136 related »
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:48 AM
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3. It should have been today leading all
news on teevee and radio... my local station had it from local reporter, but the CNN feed, at no time.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:52 AM
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5. This is what happens when you don't watch TV
I forgot all about the abyssmal broadcast media.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:29 AM
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12. So Bush's WH "investigation" and his threats of firing the person
who leaked the information was all a ruse?

But,but,but... how can that be?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:38 AM
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18. Yes, Virginia... there isn't a Santa Claus, and
I have another jolt for you: he wasn't really ELECTED president at all!

And believe it or not, it gets even worse...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:50 AM
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20. But, but, but...how then can he be in the White House?
How, oh how is such a thing possible in these United States? :-)

Impugning Santa Claus? What's next, claiming no connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:16 AM
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22. You'll find a LOT of strange things in the White House now
They have a new room called "The Bubble", for instance...

What? No connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein? Gad, child, where DO you get these wild ideas??
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:47 AM
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25. From my TEEVEE, of course.
I learn what Bush says all the time from there.

They have NASCAR, too. VROOOOM, VROOM!!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:42 AM
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29. Very good! Here's your gold star. Teacher says watch an hour of TV per day
Keep watching! And... if you BELIEVE, if you really have FAITH, you will understand that the Preznit isn't really contradicting himself at all! His ways are wondrous and mysterious. He knows what's best for us. Leave it in His presidential hands!
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:26 PM
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35. Now it all makes sense
"wondrous and mysterious" Faith and understanding -

I'm too old for this sh-t - causes health problems

Well put No Exit
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:58 PM
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36. That's okay! Relax. We'll light a candle for you and sacrifice a small
animal on your behalf when we visit the Bush Bubble Temple in observation of State Holiday.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:12 PM
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38. Save the animal, I'm feelin' better
Novak is playing with the neocons and we are suppose to take him serious. Same ol' shell game going on, it works so well. The masses are working their butt off trying to keep the mtg. paid they don't have time for media. Now, when the foreclosures become massive then they may have time to pay attention. Too late for them.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:54 AM
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43. Sometimes I envy those people who don't have time for media
I imagine working steadily every day, thinking only of my work and home. Never reading, or hearing, the "news", except perhaps when severe weather is coming. Boning up on what politicians are doing (and who owns which politician) only in the lead-up to an election--so I can make some sort of halfway-informed vote.

I imagine if I did that, then one day soon I'd wake up and be just like someone in a hotel with a hurricane coming: you go to sleep, but when you wake up, the room is filled with water and your mattress is floating towards the ceiling. You cling to it as you float out the broken window... (that's actually been done, of course...)

Who wants to anticipate their own death? Some say it's better not to see the end coming. Some say it's better to go in your sleep.

The daily horrors of the republican-dominated government are overtaxing my adrenal glands.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:54 AM
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26. "The Bubble?" Is that where they use the Cone of Silence?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:45 AM
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30. Sadly, no. We can still hear the Bubble Boy babble.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:03 AM
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27. "The Bubble Room": is that where Jeff Gannon inflates the president?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:47 AM
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31. Silly! They use a machine for that!
Even Jimmy-Jeff's bulging biceps would get tired, pumping that much hot air.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:14 PM
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39. It's not his biceps that would be "pumping"
or for that matter, "blowing".

I'm recalling the Kennedy era, when it is rumored JFK had a special room to meet special friends.

I sure hope that room had a TEEVEE! Vroom, Vroom!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:56 AM
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44. Hey, Jimmy-Jeff went into the White House regularly even when
there were no press conferences scheduled. And we've never yet found out whom he was visiting. Heh!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:47 AM
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45. He had a few "over-nighters", too.
It's why I kid Jeff & George (sittin' in a tree...) every chance I get.

I promise to stop once we find out what Jeffy was up to during the White House jammy-jams.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:30 PM
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46. Overnighters... wow, who could it be?
I heard Karl likes to play dress-up sometimes...

Oh, and that reminds me of what Bill Maher said... I only caught part of it, but I think it went like this: "Cowboy... airman... you know, for a straight guy, George sure likes to play dress-up a lot..."
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:41 PM
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47. I don't think he accused Bush of being straight...
but he did say something about "one more costume and he'll be The Village People". I paraphrased.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:57 PM
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48. LOL!!!
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sonofliberty Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:51 AM
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4. wow I thought .... nevermind they will tell me what to think N/T
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:54 AM
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21. Now you've got the hang of it.
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 03:56 AM by Kurovski
You'll get that "get out of Gitmo free" card yet. :-)

Edit: Welcome to DU, sonofliberty!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:57 AM
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6. Lots of papers are starting to talk about it.
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:59 AM
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7. Big deal.
The Iraqi Elections are today! Wheee! Frontpage!
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:04 AM
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8. bush ain't saying a word because he is protecting the leaker ...
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 03:04 AM by flordehinojos
just as simple as that ...

and the stupid press must kiss his ass...
but what is surprising is that novak is even mentioning it and why?

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:35 AM
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15. That Presidential pair of Depends is only protecting the leaker
because protecting the leaker protects his own sweet ass.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:39 AM
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19. you nailed it!
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:07 AM
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9. Am I dreaming? Why would a 'liberal' press print it?
Not that I envy the newspaper business. They are capitalist who want and need profits so have to sell ads to get most of their money so have to bow to that part of their business yet give the readers what they want at the same time and hope they get out the real news. Where they get most of their money I would say is the winner.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:10 AM
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10. Why does Robert Novak hate America?
Why is he a hater?

Damn liberal press...
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:28 AM
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11. is this when bob novak gets "suicided"?
you might want to get a few bodyguards bob. just to protect you from the party you've been working so hard shilling for. and have fun!

oh, and you might want to start sleeping with one eye open bob.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:33 AM
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14. That is no longer possible.
He's already Novakula, the Graverobber. He can no longer lose his life.

Unless someone leaves a stake lying about.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:32 AM
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13. Theory:
This is not my theory. I read it on a blog. (When I remember which, I'll post it.)

When Novak speaks out so openly on a subject like this, we know it's really Rove talking. (How do we know? B/C Novak and Rove go way back. Rove was fired from Big Bush's '92 campaign b/c he leaked some info about the campaign to Novak. And now in 2005, Rove is facing... well, SHOULD-be-but-isn't-b/c-a-retard's-at-the-helm, facing, some heat for leaking classified info to his old gossip buddy Novak.)

The theory is that Piglet Karl wanted some public (ugh!) TLC (ugh!) from his very own Christopher Robin--George W. Bush. He's feewing vewy lonely because Mr. Fitzgerald the janitor is threatening to make Georgie clean out his room and throw away some of his stuffed pets.

And, wouldn't you know, it just so happens that very soon after Novak's odd comment got about, Junior figuratively threw his arms around his stuffed piglet and said "Heckuva job, Karl!" That is, Junior told the world today that he and Karl as "as close as ever", and also praised Karl. Good Karl. Good malicious gossip. Good attack pig. Good turdblossom. Here're your Human Entrails Snacks, Karl! Mmmm! Now go lie down in your basket.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:05 PM
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33. yikes -- harsh imagery, but point well taken
it does seem to be a hollow gesture.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:02 PM
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37. Heyyy... harsh?! Karl's Human Entrails Snacks are preservative free
and chewing them also cleans his teeth!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:38 AM
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17. Novak is such an unpleasant little troll, isn't he?
A total waste of carbon:)
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:31 AM
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23. Clearly, this is NOT in the headlines because...
the equally important diebold securities fraud litigation story has bumped it from the front page...oh wait a minute. Nevermind.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:37 AM
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24. That guy has been cranky for a while now over problems
caused by his own big mouth. I can't stand him. It is nice to hear that he is pointing at Bush for a change though. Maybe some righties will listen this time f one of their own says something and "bug Bush" about it. Somebody needs to wake the Child Emperor up.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:39 AM
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32. kick
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:53 PM
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40. Kick. Front page on DU too :-)
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 02:54 PM by BelgianMadCow
and rec'd
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 05:54 PM
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41. Well, if Novak is blabbing this in public, that Bush knows who the leaker
is, then he's told that to Fitzgerald, right? And Fitzgerald can just stop all this investigating and subpoena the president. (Can he? Not sure on that one. Does Fitzgerald have the same powers as Mr. Kenneth ("The Grand Inquisitor") Starr? )

If there is any truth to it--that Novak actually knows what Bush knows, and that what Bush knows or says he knows (told Novak?) is the truth (the true and main leaker who put Valerie Plame's life in danger, and disabled the CIA's entire counter-proliferation project, 20 years in the making, putting all of its covert agents and contacts at risk of getting killed), then all Bush has to do (unless it's himself) is finger the leaker. No more aides getting hauled before grand juries, or into court with perjury and obstruction charges, no more favorite press lapdogs thrown in jail for covering up for your aides, no more troubles from Mr. Fitzgerald's end of the universe. Just finger somebody--your least favorite vice president, or WH or Pentagon or CIA toady.

Could be a fun game? Who will Bush finger? M-m-m-m, let's see...

Possibilities:

They're setting somebody up, to cover for: a) Bush; b) Cheney; c) Rumsfeld; d) all of the WHIG.

1. Possibly Libby, since he's already in trouble--his usefulness on the job, should he return, at least temporarily impaired; and his usefulness even on a covert basis reduced due to his legal troubles. And he was the one talking about "fall" in his famous "aspens" letter. Taking the fall? (--so that all those other aspens, connected by their roots, can continue with the plot to invade Iran and Syria on some pretext).

2. Cheney, covering up for Bush, Rumsfeld and the WHIG. It would certainly be convenient to "the aspens" to get rid of that ugly carcass now, rather than later, and put Condi's bright-stupid face in as V-P, to be Diebolded into office in '08. Cheney would throw himself on the mercy of Bush's "pod people" in Congress; they would "forgive" him; the Democrats would wring their hands but those who like the war would secretly be glad; then, Fitzgerald would agree to some sort of confession but no jail time, if he values his life and the lives of his family; and Cheney would go build his White-Peoples-News Orleans-Disneyland, near some of the last oil reserves in the U.S., or maybe build an artificial island right off shore at our expense, over which he will be the sovereign lawgiver and enforcer.

3. Rove. I doubt he would be fingered by Bush. Didn't Bush just say, "I owe everything to Karl" or some such? Anyway, I think he was low on the chain of command in Traitorgate. He has already evaded one scheme to make him the patsy (Libby's). He is likely guilty and a conspirator, but not the mastermind.

4. Rumsfeld. The Lurker in Traitorgate. He's my candidate for mastermind. But I don't know about Bush fingering him as fall guy, unless Bush/Cheney and "the aspens" have developed some insider hatred of him that is unknown to the rest of us. (I think he got Judith Miller all set up, to be the "finder" of the WMDs that they were trying to plant in Iraq after the invasion. I think that's what Traitorgate is the cover up for--what it's all about. The Cartel was going to plant the weapons; the Brewster-Jennings network (Plame/CIA) found out about it and foiled it. And David Kelly, the Brits chief WMD expert, was the link to that knowledge--to who foiled it. Kelly was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, four days after Plame was outed; his computers and office were searched; and, four days after that, Novak additionally outed the entire B/J network.)

There are other potential fall guys that Bush could name. Bolton. Hadley. Tenet. Powell. But writing of Rumsfeld made me think of something else that may be going on--that many of these players have their own secret dossiers on Bush, and are blackmailing him in various ways. (I was pretty convinced that Cheney was blackmailing him about Traitorgate during Katrina, and possibly also Rove, who seemed to be on strike at the time--Bush out there in the media with no support.) That could greatly complicate who he might finger. For instance, it would mean that Cheney would only take the fall by agreement, and with rock solid guarantees in place. And it would exclude Rumsfeld, who for sure has dossiers on everybody (the Office of Special Plans is probably much more diabolical than we know). I think either of them could finger Bush on a number of high crimes and misdemeanors. And if they can't, then they must be a lot stupider than anybody had thought.

So, where does that leave us, as to Novak's recent blather about "ask Bush." It does give the lie to the whole rickety cover story about "everybody knew" Plame's identity. If Novak knows what he's talking about, then there IS a leaker (or leakers). It WAS leaked. It wasn't something that "everybody knew." And SOMEBODY did it. We knew that, of course. But it puts it in a somewhat different light to have one of THEM saying it (for whatever reason).

We have no reason whatever to trust anything Novak says. He's a traitor himself. So I favor this interpretation (as to the "aspen" plan): 1) A fall guy has been chosen; 2) Bush will soon name the fall guy; 3) it will be a pretty good story, with prepped witnesses, exonerating everybody but the fall guy; 4) it will be hard for Fitzgerald to get around it (so they hope)--he may get a few more perjury and obstruction cases (charges that stand independent of what happens with the main crime), but the conspiracy (which it surely was) will evade him; 5) it will probably be Cheney, for all the political reasons above, and because that might satisfy Fitzgerald that justice has been done (removal of the V-P --Mr. Darth Vader himself) in this most difficult of cases.

That leaves "Dr. Strangelove" (Rumsfeld) still in charge of the plot to invade Iran and Syria.

I'm not saying that this is how it will go. I'm just trying to guess what "the aspens" are up to, and what Novak may know about it. I'm still not sure why he would say it in public. Maybe he's signaling that he's still on the team, and won't give their game away. Or he was just tired of being pestered about it. Or he feels used (poor baby) and he's slapping back.

Of one thing I'm sure. Even if Fitzgerald were to charge the whole lot of them with conspiracy and treason--to the limit of his indictment power (prez and v-p as "unindicted co-conspirators," I believe)--and laid out a slam dunk case, our troubles would be far from over. Because of Diebold and ES&S still counting all our votes with "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls. That is the heart of the problem. It is how "power corrupted, and absolute power corrupted absolutely." It is why Congress will not, even then, impeach these criminals.
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