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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:42 PM
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Poll question: "War on Xmas" source:
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:47 PM
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1. Just look at OhReally.....
he screams "give them something else to look at!"........how I hate that network, how do they ever truly look at themselves in the mirror - oh yeah, they are holding up wads of cash while they are doing it...:sarcasm:
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:50 PM
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2. All I can say is...
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:46 PM
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12. that is GREAT!! and I am SO jealous that I didn't think of it! (nt)
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:01 AM
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3. I wouldn't blame just Fox News for this idiocy
Joe Scarborough has been flogging it on MSNBC, too.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:05 AM
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4. Here's an article explaining it's something old and something new.
How the secular humanist grinch didn't steal Christmas
The right-wing crusade against the liberal "war on Christmas" is great for rallying the troops. Too bad the war doesn't exist.

By Michelle Goldberg

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/11/21/christmas/


<snip>

Nov. 21, 2005 | In 1959, the recently formed John Birch Society issued an urgent alert: Christmas was under attack. In a JBS pamphlet titled "There Goes Christmas?!" a writer named Hubert Kregeloh warned, "One of the techniques now being applied by the Reds to weaken the pillar of religion in our country is the drive to take Christ out of Christmas -- to denude the event of its religious meaning." The central front in this perfidious assault was American department stores, where the "Godless UN" was scheming to replace religious decorations with internationalist celebrations of universal brotherhood.

"The UN fanatics launched their assault on Christmas in 1958, but too late to get very far before the holy day was at hand," the pamphlet explained. "They are already busy, however, at this very moment, on efforts to poison the 1959 Christmas season with their high-pressure propaganda. What they now want to put over on the American people is simply this: Department stores throughout the country are to utilize UN symbols and emblems as Christmas decorations."

According to the JBS, this assault on yuletide iconography was "part of a much broader plan, not only to promote the UN, but to destroy all religious beliefs and customs." The pamphlet called on all Americans to fight back by informing department stores that those with improper ornamentation wouldn't be getting their business.

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Last December, warnings about a war on Christmas -- a war whose central front was the nation's department stores -- once against emanated from the right, but this time, they were on national TV and talk radio. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly began running a regular segment called "Christmas Under Siege." "All over the country, Christmas is taking flak," O'Reilly declared on Dec. 7. "In Denver this past weekend, no religious floats were permitted in the holiday parade there. In New York City, Mayor Bloomberg unveiled the 'holiday tree,' and no Christian Christmas symbols are allowed in the public schools. Federated Department Stores -- that's Macy's -- have done away with the Christmas greeting 'Merry Christmas.'" Instead, Macy's was using the malign phrase "Happy Holidays." Noting this, Pat Buchanan wrote, "What we are witnessing here are hate crimes against Christianity."

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:09 AM
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5. Rove sets the propaganda. Fox News merely carries it.
Every day the talking points come from Rove directly to Fox News and the various lackeys who will repeat whatever buzz words Rove assigns.

"... looked at the same intelligence as the president ..."
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:26 AM
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7. I think you've nailed it.
This has Rove all over it. Or Rove's staff of evil, twisted, fat little elves. It's divisive. It's all-pervasive.

I note that CNN is also playing into it, to an extent.

There are plenty of local-level politicians playing along. To me, that speaks more of Rove's evil network than of just Fox News.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:43 PM
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11. CNN and MSNBC are being media toads, not really on the team
they're negligent, where Fox is actively fraudulent
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:15 AM
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6. http://fuckchristmas.org/
No fucking text
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:35 AM
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8. This is engineered for the build up to the Alito Conformation
According to the RW ad, Alito saved Christmas.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:05 AM
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9. If you've never seen "The Spirit of Christmas" for the South Park guys...
...download your copy today at the link below:


Click Thumbnail

Note: I'm sure how to save a MOV file with FireFox, so this is one of those rare time I recommend using "Internet Explorer" because if you right click one of the links, then select "Save Link Target As" will do it.

Warning: This "South Park" is NOT bleeped!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:15 AM
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10. Wasn't this all set up to make John Gibson another O'LieToMe?
This is the anointment of another top-line fascist.

I mean, it's not like they didn't know they were going to release this trash in October 2005:



Am I right?
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:49 PM
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13. Do we need a poll on this?
I think its fairly obvious that BO and FOX started the whole thing.
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