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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:52 PM
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M3 will no longer be reported by the Fed.
Europeans, Conspiracy Theorists Lead M3 Mourners: Caroline Baum

Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- A chill wind swept across Western Europe, rattling the remains of long-dead Germans who carried memories of wheelbarrows full of worthless deutsche marks to their graves.
...

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&cid=baum&sid=abJD2CVu7kHk


"The Federal Reserve publishes weekly and monthly data on three money supply measures -- M1, M2, and M3 -- as well as data on the total amount of debt of the nonfinancial sectors of the U.S. economy... The money supply measures reflect the different degrees of liquidity -- or spendability - that different types of money have. The narrowest measure, M1, is restricted to the most liquid forms of money; it consists of currency in the hands of the public; travelers checks; demand deposits, and other deposits against which checks can be written. M2 includes M1, plus savings accounts, time deposits of under $100,000, and balances in retail money market mutual funds. M3 includes M2 plus large-denomination ($100,000 or more) time deposits, balances in institutional money funds, repurchase liabilities issued by depository institutions, and Eurodollars held by U.S. residents at foreign branches of U.S. banks and at all banks in the United Kingdom and Canada."

http://economics.about.com/cs/money/a/money_supply.htm


Was listening to Thom Hartmann today and he mentioned that the Fed quietly announced that they would stop reporting the M3 numbers. The result was that gold shot up. He said that this was potentially an attempt by the Chimpadministration to hide the amount of dollars that we are printing so that we could pay off our massive debt with increasingly worthless dollars. Sounds just like them.

Anyway, thought it was worth looking into and getting some feedback from folks who know far more than me about economic markets. Also, it seemed important enough to fire a shot across the bow.

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:54 PM
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1. very interesting...
i'd also like to hear what others think about this move. Thanks for posting :)
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:58 PM
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2. Don't trust 'em as far as I can throw 'em.
Institutional money market funds will still be included in the weekly monetary aggregates report. Most of the information from M3 is captured in the Fed's quarterly flow of funds report or in depository institutions' call reports filed with supervisory agencies.

When queried about the decision, a Fed spokesperson said that because M3 doesn't appear to contain any more relevant economic information than M2 and has a diminished role in the policy process (when did it ever have a role?), the costs of collecting and publishing the data outweigh the benefits.


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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:03 PM
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3. I've studied Fed policy for a long time now and I would say that most
likely it has to do with the fact that it is more of an interesting bit of data than a relevant one. It has never really been used to determine whether or not Fed policy has been effective or what Fed policy should be prescribed. Even though it is the biggest measure, it is not the most useful.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:08 PM
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4. The gist I was getting from Hartmannn was that M3 is the
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 10:10 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
number of total dollars in the economy. On a short-term basis the hiding of this number could conceal the firing up of the printing presses. Therefore keeping the dollar overvalued.

ETA: And, of course, inflation.

Second ETA: And this would lead to the price of gold rising as the real players saw what was going on. Which it did.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:28 PM
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5. Unless I'm mistaken firing up the printing presses
would be counted as M1
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:34 PM
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7. Nope. From the above link:
The narrowest measure, M1, is restricted to the most liquid forms of money; it consists of currency in the hands of the public; travelers checks; demand deposits, and other deposits against which checks can be written.

When money is printed it's not handed out.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:12 AM
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23. If The Money Isn't In Circulation, It Doesn't Exist
It's just paper in a closet. The M1 includes all CASH actually in circulation. The M3 has never been a reliable number anyway. It's always been only an estimate, since it would have to include large time accounts handling major foreign exchange transactions.

I've never seen an econometric analysis that used M3 as a factor of value or as an effect of importance. (The former are inputs, the latter are outputs.)

I think Hartmann is overreaching on this.
The Professor
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:33 PM
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42. Just to be clear...
By which process does the Govt. pay it's debts? In particular, interest due.

Because I think there are key words in your second sentence. The M1 includes all CASH actually in circulation.

When the Govt. services it's debt payments with banks and bond holders is this cash immediately included in M1/M2? Are these payments in circulation? What about monies transferred to foreign entities/governments?

Thanks in advance, Professor. Just trying to get a handle on it.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:52 PM
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19. However, huge broad numbers like that are not particularly good at
measuring the effects of Fed policy. I think of it as if we used GDP to dictate economic policy. The broadest measures are not necessarily the best ways of determining policy. M1 and M2 contain figures more relevant to what the Fed does.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:15 AM
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24. You've Nailed It Zynx
Like i said above, the M3 has always been a guesstimate anyway. We can actually count the dollars in circulation for M1. Especially in the computer age. But, the time delays on overseas transactions, trade escrows, and savings make M3 an educated guess. It is not a high value parameter to track.
The Professor
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:10 PM
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16. Yes, but what about the dollar value?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:31 PM
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6. If this is true, it is PANIC TIME! BIG TIME PANIC TIME!
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 10:32 PM by lonestarnot
Greenspan's last kick in the ass before he retired.

On edit bookmarking for future review of input here.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:36 PM
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8. It's true that ChimpCo won't be reporting M3 anymore.
It's the reason that is unclear.

Better get dibs on your window.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:37 PM
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9. How do they reposses everything in the US at one time?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:38 PM
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10. "Media."
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:40 PM
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11. What? Media reposseses everything? Naw I'm talking about creditors.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:45 PM
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12. Crossed my wires. I meant Bekins.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:49 PM
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13. Crack me up with regard to this very serious matter.
:hide:
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:53 PM
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14. LOL
hmm...wonder what Mogambo has to say about this ....

dp
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:03 PM
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15. Who or what is Mogambo?
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:01 AM
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21. Mogambo Guru
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:30 AM
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28. the great mogambo on m3:
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/daughty/daughty113005.html
- Much has been written about how the Fed suddenly decided that they would no longer publish the money supply number known as M3. Bill Buckler, of the Privateer newsletter, writes "The US current account deficit is $US 730 Billion or 6.3% of GDP. That has to be funded on top of the US Treasury's budget deficits. Stop the flow of foreign funds and the US economy contracts by 6.3%. If these external funds don't arrive as loans, the only other 'option' in lieu of a US recession is for the Fed to 'create' these funds. If they do that, the US M3 will explode. That is why the Fed wants to hide it."



http://www.321gold.com/editorials/daughty/daughty112305.html
But money is being created everywhere! Hell, the Treasury spent last week printing up another $5.4 billion in actual cash! Even M3, the measure of the money supply that is so broad that it includes everything that could possibly be considered as "money," jumped $70 billion dollars in the last four stinking weeks! No wonder the banks and the government are not going to report this statistic anymore, as it is proof positive that the dollar is being murdered!



http://www.321gold.com/editorials/daughty/daughty111605.html
A lot has been made of the cryptic Federal Reserve press release that simply read "On March 23, 2006, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System will cease publication of the M3 monetary aggregate. The Board will also cease publishing the following components: large-denomination time deposits, repurchase agreements (RPs), and Eurodollars. The Board will continue to publish institutional money market mutual funds as a memorandum item in this release."

I am not, as you would expect, all that upset. For one thing, they are still going to report the components of M3 money supply in the quarterly Z1 report (so they say). And for another, the stuff that make M3 out of M2 is the addition of very large time-deposits and other things that are, in reality, very illiquid. So, I can understand them making the argument that something so illiquid is NOT part of the money supply. It is, instead, an asset, not money. So not reporting M3 is, arguably, a non-event, since they are still reporting M1 and M2.

But, then again, the essential paranoid Mogambo (EPM) asks, "Why now?" And I SURE don't like the non-reporting of repurchase agreements, which ARE money by the very fact that they are repos! That is the whole freaking point of repos! So maybe I was wrong, because now I really AM starting to get steamed up about this non-reporting crap!

Robert McHugh is not amused at my naiveté, and says, "Why? It's simple, really. So that the Plunge Protection Team can hide its market manipulative, equity buying activities. You see, one of the key differences between M-2 (which it appears they will report) and M-3, is repurchase agreements."
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:32 PM
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52. Thanks for that. Lol.
The crowd was stunned to see the way I rose to my feet, stood on the bar, and thundered so loudly that even the police dog waiting for me outside, snarling in his impatience, finally shut the hell up. Slurring my words and waving a bottle of Jack Daniels for effect, I said "It seems a lot of people do NOT know it, but let me let you in on a little secret; The Federal Reserve is NOT a part of the government, but is," and here is where my voice rose to a fever pitch. "instead, the Top Dog Boss (TDB) of a lot of greedy and grubby privately-owned banks!"

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:22 PM
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18. Are they hiding laaaaaaaaaaaarge amounts of money in a depository
institution? M3 includes M2 plus large-denomination ($100,000 or more) time deposits, balances in institutional money funds, repurchase liabilities issued by depository institutions, and Eurodollars held by U.S. residents at foreign branches of U.S. banks and at all banks in the United Kingdom and Canada."
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:42 AM
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25. Shifting of Big Money to the Euro, maybe?
:shrug:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:11 PM
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17. how do you underline?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:53 PM
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20. With the [u] and [/u] functions.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:58 PM
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38. Thanks Zynx!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:04 AM
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22. Kick for the economic smarty pants.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:09 AM
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26. here is some of the information that we will "lose"
the Fed injects "overnight repurchase agreements" - putting more money into the system - and these instruments are bought supposedly at the rate that is set by the FOMC - currently 4.25%

here's today's news on "repos" - selling above the Fed rate @ 4.313 - this indicates that the Fed is losing control of the interest rates (jmho)

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2005-12-15T145816Z_01_N15357854_RTRIDST_0_MARKETS-FED-OPERATIONS-UPDATE-1.XML

NEW YORK, Dec 15 (Reuters) - The Federal Reserve said on Thursday it did $12.25 billion in overnight repurchase agreements at a stop-out rate of 4.20 percent to inject temporary reserves to the U.S. banking system.

Earlier, the Fed did $10 billion in 14-day system repos at a stop-out rate of 4.13 percent.

The benchmark federal funds rate last traded at 4.313 percent, above the Fed's current target for the overnight lending rate of 4.25 percent.

Further details of the operation are available at: http://www.ny.frb.org/markets/omo/dmm/temp.cfm
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:27 AM
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27. The M3 reporting change was announced three weeks
ago, why wasn't it a big deal then?

If the Feds lose control of interest rates can we expect mortgage rates in the double digits again?

Thank you.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:53 AM
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30. the report is to be discontinued as of March 21, 2006
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 10:54 AM by UpInArms
and it is and was a big deal when it was announced - I have made every effort to explain that in the SMW -

I make posts called the "Printing Press Report" whenever the Fed "injects" repos into the system.

Many economists have attempted to wave the red flag on this also.

Without any of the babbling fools on the MSM saying a word - and they don't understand shit - this information will fade into the background and no one will notice until it is far too late. Then they will notice that they will need a freakin' wheelbarrow to haul enough worthless dollars into the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread. And the CPI will never reflect that as "volatile food and energy" are excluded from the inflation reports.

(edited for typo)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:27 PM
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34. Bankers don't buy bread. That's why we don't need to know how much
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 12:32 PM by leveymg
more expensive a loaf was than last month.

What WE don't know won't hurt THEM, or so they think. The Democrat's economic institute needs to recalculate a real consumer price index -- one that reflects the rising costs of energy, housing, and food (all the indices that have been eliminated from the CPI) -- and every Democrat needs to reference that number. I bet the real figure for inflation of the cost of living has gone up 30 percent this past year.

Have your wages kept track?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:38 PM
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44. I was hoping for your input.
I'm usually an avid viewer of SMW but have a layman's understanding of the issues so I'm not very vocal. I figured you caught this and discussed it but I missed it.

Can the tracking of this hidden inflation(?) be partially tracked by watching gold prices?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:21 PM
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50. For the yellow bus people
Could you break this down as simply as possible. Interest rates, inflation, treasury notes.
Repos(?) What exactly is going on? And how can it go on and not be in the inflation numbers.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 04:59 PM
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39. I for one didn't hear about it until last night!
They sneaked it by!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:45 AM
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29. The Repo Market dwarfs the stocks and commodities markets
Repurchase agreements are short-term loans made by the NY Fed to the biggest banks at a guaranteed rate of return. When banks need liquidity, they purchase these "repos".

These repos are tradable. They are traded in huge amounts on the little-known "Repo" Market in NY. They represent hedges -- T-bills with particular expiration dates -- that huge banks and institutions need to trade on a temporary basis in order to balance out their investment portfolios. Tracking activity in the repo market tells one whether the biggest players are going long or short, and by how how much.

I think the elimination of M3 is meant to mask the only widely available indicator of hedging by big banks, and it may also serve, as indicated above, to hide some of the conversion over to Euros and export of capital by major investors.

I may be too suspicious, but this seems to be an effort to hide yet more information about the activities and intentions of the multinationals from the public.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:03 AM
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31. here's a link
to a site that has been keeping track of the repos since 9/11/01 (there was a massive change at that time iirc)

http://www.321gold.com/fed/temp_bank_res.html
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:22 PM
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33. Repos: the primary pump through which the Feds add liquidity to the banks
$330 billion worth during the week following 9/11, more than ten times the norm. That in itself isn't surprising, given that the stock market was expected to dive steeply when it reopened after the attacks, and there would be a move to cash, as indeed occurred.

But, why would the Fed want to eliminate such a key measure of the demand for institutional liquidity now? What are they expecting?

Happy New Year.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:30 PM
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35. with that in mind
and knowing that the PPT was put to work on the markets after 9/11, it becomes a clue as to how the PPT is currently influencing the market activity -

Perhaps this is what to expect (in even greater numbers after the discontinuance of the reports) so that there is less transparency?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,552568,00.html

Fed to prop up Wall St

Shadowy committee ready to pour billions into stock markets to avert shares meltdown

Special report: Terrorism in the US

Richard Wachman and Jamie Doward
Sunday September 16, 2001
The Observer


The US Federal Reserve and Wall Street's powerful investment banks are preparing to spend billions of dollars to support the US stock market, which opens this week for the first time since last Tuesday's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

A secretive committee - the Working Group on Financial Markets, dubbed 'the plunge protection team' - includes bankers as well as representatives of the New York Stock Exchange, Nasdaq and the US Treasury. It is ready to co-ordinate intervention by the Federal Reserve on an unprecedented scale.

The Fed, supported by the banks, will buy equities from mutual funds and other institutional sellers if there is evidence of panic selling in the wake of last week's carnage.

The authorities are determined to avert a worldwide slump in share prices like the crashes of 1987 or 1929. Investment banks and their broking subsidiaries are to block short-selling by speculators and hedge funds by making it hard for them to obtain prices on favourable terms.

<snip>

The 'plunge protection team' was established by a special executive order issued by former President Ronald Reagan in 1989. It is known to include senior bankers at leading Wall Street institutions such as Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs. It has acted before, in the early Nineties and during the 1998 LTCM hedge fund crisis.

...more...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:45 PM
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36. It would be interesting to map repos trading with major events
One should not be surprised to see injections of liquidity during and after major drops in markets. But, what about big jumps in currency flows before them?

What would you say if I told you that there was a massive, unexplained spike in demand for currency (specifically $100 bills) in July and August 2001, and that the senior staff economist for the Chicago Fed who later looked into it for evidence of terrorism-related finance was suddenly fired when he presented his findings?
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 03:07 PM
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37. i would say
show me the findings.

did that happen for real?

dp
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 06:46 PM
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40. Yes, It Happened. For Real.
I know Bill Bergman. He's active in the National Security Whistle Blowers group. I have his permission to repost his work at length. Particular attention to the text I've highlighted in bold, below, but worth reading in its entirety to understand the moneyflow issues and how they relate to 9/11.

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=669&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0


Analysis: Former Fed Analyst Turned Whistleblower Asks: Was the Federal Reserve Warned about 9/11?
Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 09:14 AM

“Follow the Money”

“Follow the Money” is a longstanding and still-valuable guide to the fundamentals of investigating crimes. Yet four years after one of the worst crimes in human history — the events of September 11, 2001 — there are some fundamental questions relating to money flows that haven’t been asked or addressed, at least publicly.



“Follow the Money”

“Follow the Money” is a longstanding and still-valuable guide to the fundamentals of investigating crimes. Yet four years after one of the worst crimes in human history — the events of September 11, 2001 — there are some fundamental questions relating to money flows that haven’t been asked or addressed, at least publicly.

A few basic terms . . .

To set the stage for understanding why these questions may matter, some background and definitions may be useful. There are three basic monetary aggregates reported by the Federal Reserve – M1, M2, and M3. The M1 aggregate is the narrowest of the three, and includes currency in circulation and demand deposits. Moving to M2 and M3 means including a progressively broader variety of things deemed to be ‘money,’ such as savings deposits and retail money funds (in M2) and things like jumbo CDs and Eurodollars (in M3). M1 is a narrow aggregate; another narrow aggregate to which people sometimes refer is the monetary base, consisting of currency in circulation and reserves ‘held’ by depository institutions at the central bank.

So M1 and the monetary base share a common element — currency in circulation. Currency refers to Federal Reserve Notes, the things that say “In God We Trust” and “This Note Is Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private.” There are one dollar bills, five dollar bills, and other denominations, including (importantly) 100 dollar bills. Currency is ‘in circulation’ if it is outside the banking system – outside the vaults of the Fed, outside bank vaults, outside ATMs, and outside armored carriers.

There's a lot of it out there

There’s a lot of this stuff out there; in the latest data there is over $700 billion in currency in circulation. That comes to roughly $3,000 for every person in the United States. It implies that every family of four has about $12,000 in their wallets and piggy banks. Something doesn’t add up here, of course, and there are good (and bad) reasons why. Federal Reserve currency is used throughout the world. Even then, $700 billion sounds like a lot of money, and it is — it suggests that everyone in the world is walking around with $100 in their wallet. A careful estimate has suggested that over two-thirds of U.S. currency circulates outside the U.S., but even if this holds, it still implies that everyone in the U.S. is holding about $1,000 in Federal Reserve Notes while everyone in the rest of the world has about $80.

Again, something doesn’t add up here, and for good (and bad) reasons. Federal Reserve Notes are a trusted store of value, at least relative to other fiat currencies, and many people around the world hold them not only for use in transactions but also as a relatively safe investment vehicle. U.S. currency is also widely used in the underground economy, where money laundering law and regulation theoretically attempt to keep things above board, and to facilitate criminal investigations after a crime occurs

Pools of cash

How does currency enter circulation, more fundamentally? As noted above, M1 includes both currency in circulation and demand deposits (checking accounts). If a person withdraws cash from a checking account, M1 does not change, at first blush, but the ratio of currency to demand deposits will increase. These bills enter circulation in a step-by-step process that begins before the withdrawal. First, bills are printed (by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, within the Treasury Department). They are then shipped to the 12 Federal Reserve Banks, who have vaults with substantial amounts of cash. The Reserve Banks each have cash departments that continually take money in and ship money out. The Reserve Banks take cash in not only after ordering it from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, but also from armored carriers shipping money being deposited by banks with accounts at the Federal Reserve Banks. In turn, the Federal Reserve Banks regularly scrutinize incoming currency for fitness (and counterfeits), and ship money out in turn to order from depository institutions. These institutions may include those participating in the Federal Reserve’s “Extended Custodial Inventory” program, which the Federal Reserve says it has developed in order improve the international distribution of U.S. currency.

Historically, during times of crisis in banking systems or in world affairs, the ratio of currency to M1 and other aggregates has tended to increase. At times when uncertainty or perceived risk about bank solvency rises, people would withdraw currency in bank runs to try to get the good stuff. Roughly similarly, the phrase “wartime hoarding” gained linguistic currency to refer to a variety of reasons why, during wars, Federal Reserve currency gained greater circulation relative to other forms of money.

Growth rate spikes in history

The Federal Reserve-reported data on currency in circulation dates to 1947. If you compute the growth rate for each month, you can find (in the ‘seasonally adjusted’ data) the three fastest-growing months. The fastest growing month for the currency in the 700 months since 1947 was in

-- December 1999 — right before Y2K. This makes some sense, as many people were concerned about the quality of their electronic bank deposits. In addition, however, note that there were significant “millennium” terrorist threats arising at that time.
-- The second fastest-growing month for currency in circulation was January 1991 — the onset of U.S. affirmative military action in Gulf War I and, perhaps very importantly, an important enforcement month in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International money laundering scandal.
-- The third fastest-growing month for currency in circulation since 1947 was August 2001. It’s not like July 2001 was weak, either — there was a significantly above-average increase in July 2001 as well. In the ‘non-seasonally-adjusted’ numbers (data that are not statistically adjusted for within-year seasonal trends), the increase in currency in circulation from June to August 2001 is the largest single June-August increase since 1947.

The pre-9/11 spike

Much of the July-August 2001 surge in currency (over $5 billion above-average) seems to have been in the $100 denomination. Did ‘wartime hoarding’ play a role in the surge in currency in July and August 2001?

Under money laundering and other laws, assets can be seized in the banking system after a crime. Given what we have only recently come to appreciate were significant intelligence warnings of a terrorist attack in mid-2001, a plausible question arises whether anyone concerned about possible asset seizures after a terrorist attack could have been trying to liquidate their bank accounts before the attack. (For that matter, given that January 1991 was a critical enforcement month in the BCCI scandal, a similar question arises whether attempts to withdraw currency prior to the possibility of an asset freeze played an important role in the above-noted spike in currency growth in January 1991.)

It should quickly be noted that in July and August 2001, a banking crisis was brewing in Argentina, where U.S. dollars were widely used. This may provide a relatively benign explanation for the surge in currency at the time. However a valid question remains whether a form of ‘wartime hoarding’ was also at work, in the U.S. or in other countries, including Argentina. The money trail could provide important clues about people aware of, if not responsible for, the attacks.

Did the Fed know?

Along this line of questioning, it may be useful to note that the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve issued supervisory letters to the 12 Reserve Banks in the weeks after September 11, 2001 urging scrutiny of suspicious activity reports in tracking terrorism activity and financing. The Board issued a similar letter, albeit one that did not refer explicitly to terrorism, on August 2, 2001. Terrorism and terrorist financing were known to be part of the realm of ‘suspicious activity,’ however. A plausible question arises whether the August 2, 2001 letter was related to intelligence of a heightened terrorist threat, and if so, whether and how well that intelligence was incorporated in any Federal Reserve or Justice Department investigation of the surge in currency growth arising in July and August 2001.

Follow the money? The August 2, 2001 supervisory letter and the surge in currency growth in July and August 2001 go unmentioned in the final report of the 9/11 Commission, the staff monograph on terrorist financing that followed one month after the ‘final’ report of the 9/11 Commission, or in the publicly-available portion of the 2002 Congressional Joint Inquiry. For that matter, these questions, which seem material, haven’t really been addressed anywhere.



More unanswered questions

Sadly, questions about money flows are not the only ones that haven’t been addressed. Citizens (including victim family members) have been waiting too long for their government representatives and what seems to be a similarly bought-off Fourth Estate to address many important questions about events leading up to September 11, 2001. Questions pointing to darker possible truths have been raised by bright and courageous people too often labeled as loopy conspiracy theorists. For many caring people the performance of the 9/11 Commission was basically miserable, at best. The unanswered questions are critical and worth trying to answer, and the questions about money flows in July and August 2001 — which may have benign explanations — remain among them.

*Bill Bergman has researched economics and financial markets for over twenty years, working in investment banking, equity analysis, economic research and financial market policy analysis. He earned an M.B.A. as well as an M.A. in Public Policy from the University of Chicago in 1990. He worked with the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago for 13 years and then spent a year with the American Institute for Economic Research — most recently leading their summer fellowship program.
My understanding is that Mr. Bergman was let go (effectively fired) not long after he asked higher ups at the Fed in D.C. what it was that led them to issue their August 2nd letter? This just following an effective promotion to a new position, one that led him to pose and attempt to try to answer this question. -Editor





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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:29 PM
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41. i take it Bergman is the senior chicago fed official?
i went to the link you cited, and read the info.
were the findings that led to his firing ever released?

and since most of the info relates to M1 activity, how does the ending of M3 info, or rather what does the ending of M3 info portend?

i'm not one of the economic smarties referred to above, but do my best to follow what is happening daily in SMW here, and am trying to understand ... admittedly wheelbarrows full of cash for a loaf of bread is horrible, but i'm guessing that worse situations are being hinted to here? another grand scale disaster perhaps?

tia.
dp
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:37 PM
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43. Read Bergman's bio at the bottom. He was at the Chicago Fed for 13 years
and then he had was assigned to research anomalies in the money flow and some other issues. He was unexpectedly canned.

The whole experience was a disaster for him personally.

I'll give you his answer to your question about M3 portents when he gets back to me - I sent him a copy of this thread.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:50 PM
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45. Thanks for the input.
I'd very much like to see his reply.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:02 PM
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48. You're welcome. I'll Cc you if I hear back in the next couple days.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:11 PM
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49. What was his/your take on the airline puts?
Iow, is it single, tight-knit group or a broader gouging of the public trust?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:23 PM
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51. It happened, according to Deutschebank, but the US investigation was never
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 09:00 PM by leveymg
publicly released. It was one of the earliest hard clues that 9/11 was something far bigger than Mohamed Atta and his flying boxcutters.

The financial aspect of terrorist funding -- with its interlinkages with S. Asian WMD proliferation networks (AQ Khan), giant multinational banks (Citi, CreditSuisse, Carlyle), corporate raiding (Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco), and GOP influence buying schemes (Abramoff, Wilkes) -- remains the least publicized aspect of this story. It is also the most important, as Fitzie knows.

About as big and bad as it gets. IMHO.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:02 PM
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47. many thanks
i look forward to his reply.

hope others are following along as well.

dp
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wjbergman Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:04 PM
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57. re: many thanks
I'm sorry, but I don't have any significant new insights on either the M3 or put option issues.

Regarding my article that was posted, it may be worth clarifying that I referred to the currency component of M1, which showed remarkable growth in mid-2001, as 'curency in circulation.' I am not alone in doing this; in fact, the Federal Reserve Board's own Purposes and Functions (1994) publication and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York's "Fedpoints" imply that currency 'circulating' if it is in public (nonbank) hands, and the cash services area of the Federal Reserve explicitly states in a Q&A that 'currency in circulation' is the currency component of M1, which excludes bank vault cash. However, note that the Federal Reserve also publishes a separate statistic called "currency in circulation," which includes bank vault cash. I chose not to get too far into this stuff for the purposes of that article. The main point is that growth in the data that I was referring to, the currency component of M1, which excludes bank vault cash, spiked higher in July and August 2001, as it did right before Y2K (a period that included terrorist threats) and January 1991.

I have a new article relating to this issue at www.sandersresearch.com

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:17 PM
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58. thanks for replying
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 03:12 PM by dweller
sadly your link is to a pay/membership site, so your article is not available for me.

You could of course post some of the relevent text here, or in Eds and Article forum.

Welcome to DU!
dp
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wjbergman Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:32 PM
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59. re: thanks for replying
Hi -- the article takes Louis Freeh's Nov. 17 Wall Street Journal editorial page article as a starting point. Freeh took the former leaders of the former 9/11 commission to task regarding the Able Danger project, noting in part their characterization of the project as 'not ... historically significant.' I noticed that the final report of the commission used very similar dismissive language in one other context, in saying that "To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately, the question is of little practical significance." If Able Danger was deliberately being downplayed due to its sensitivity, is it possible that the financial area was treated the same way? I went on to discuss wire transfers to Mohamed Atta, currency growth in mid-2001, suspicious activity reporting in mid-2001, and the commission's final report's characterization of the emphasis of counterterrorism in anti-money laundering initiatives.

Thanks for welcome to DU. Just noting -- I am not a Democrat.

Have a nice weekend.

Bill
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:59 PM
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60. Hi, Bill
Welcome to DU. :toast:

I didn't know that Freeh had taken the 9/11 Commission to task about terrorism financing. Joe Trento would take Louis to task on that same subject.

Perhaps, you can share with the others where all those pallets of $100s were coming from and where you believe they may have gone in the months before 9/11?
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wjbergman Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 09:51 AM
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61. Hi Mark
Nice to chat. Sorry it took time to get back, I've been typing one-handed and lefty after crashing my right hand through the monitor screen to grab my beer.
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atfqn Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:17 AM
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32. This has been kicking around for a while in the PO forums.
Check out the Peak Oil economics forums if you have some time. There is a wealth of information to enjoy.

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic14770.html
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:58 PM
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46. Funny how important stuff is stumbled upon.
Considering that we're talking about the world's largest economy, one would think there would be room for discussion of this issue on the pages of every paper in the world. Not to mention TV (I slay myself).

Thanks for the link.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:31 PM
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53. One reason "conspiracy theorists" don't like this is that a big
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 11:52 PM by stickdog
jump in repo agreements (and total liquidity) BEFORE a major "terrorist" event or "natural" disaster (like an avian flu outbreak) is a possible indication of foreknowledge.


More to the real point:

http://prudentinvestor.blogspot.com/2005/11/m3-deafening-silence-in-msm-and.html

Taking away the data sets on repo agreements and Eurodollar deposits will mean that a lot of money will not go accounted for after March 2006 and that the Fed's operation in the repo market cannot be overseen anymore. This will make it easier for the Fed to throw unlimited amounts of money onto the bond market without being held accountable for it. The Fed is already a very big player in this market, raising questions about what other than market forces are at work there. No indebted government can be interested in higher interest rates and interventions with electronically generated dollars are a very cheap way to disturb free markets normally driven by risk and reward considerations.

The coming lack of information on Eurodollars means that a good part of OPEC's oil revenues will not be accounted for anymore. If I would see cheat and betrayal all over I would conclude that oil prices will not matter anymore for the US government and its oil-thirsty army. Just print and buy. For this reason the Iranian Oil Bourse could become a real threat to the dominance of the greenback.

After seeing what loose hand the Bush government had with billions of cash that simply vanished in Iraq I would strongly prefer that economic research could still look at all the available gauges. Or would you fly on a plane where the gas gauge is taped over?


Getting a bit more tinfoilish, but still technically correct:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00365.htm

...

3. Significant efforts have been made to ensure that citizens do not have easy access to data about how all the government revenues and expenditures, credit and regulations work within the areas from which they vote for political representation. In short, you do not get annual financial statements that document the most basic government financial performance within your Congressional District. This means you have no basis for assessing performance or providing for citizen based accountability.

4. What 1-3 in combination mean is that corporate profits and stock, mortgage and bond markets (and other capital markets) can be invisibly rigged using taxpayer funded and backed resources in the form of government contracts, subsidies, asset sales and transers, tax benefits, credit guarantees and market intervention and manipulation -- all in a manner that perpetually increases the wealth of a few insiders and drains the many outsiders. This process steadily lowers overall productivity by switching power and money from the productive to the unproductive.

5. There is over $4 trillion missing from US government agencies that we know about-- this is $14,000 per US resident -- who knows how much is missing in total. This disappearance was financed by presumably trillions in debt securities for which the US government and government agencies are liable. As total debt outstanding explodes, it becomes more and more challenging to refinance outstanding debt let alone issue more. Grossly oversimplified, our financial dependency on other nations channeling greater and greater amounts of their total retirement savings to financing our military expeditions and consumer purchases of their manufacturing output becomes ever more politically sensitive.

6. The way to keep the game going is for the Federal Reserve system to simply buy increasing amounts of debt issued by the US government and for the US Treasury and Congress to use the proceeds to protect "insiders" from the resulting inflation while squeezing everyone else while the NY Fed manages market interventions that help do the same. The cancellation of M3 helps accomplish #6 by cancelling some of the statistics (particularly on "repos") that would help market analysts see what is going on.

...


http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2005/1112.html



GRAPH: Recent M3 figures are certainly unpleasant and worrisome. M3 has been growing at an annual rate of 7.5 percent or double the most recent rate of GDP growth (subject to a revision.) Since Bush took office money supply M3 has risen 39.2%. The Fed prints it and the government spends it as can be seen by growing government participation in growth numbers.


Still more:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118973
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:01 AM
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55. 4 and 6 were my prevailing suspicions.
This process steadily lowers overall productivity by switching power and money from the productive to the unproductive.



The way to keep the game going is for the Federal Reserve system to simply buy increasing amounts of debt issued by the US government and for the US Treasury and Congress to use the proceeds to protect "insiders" from the resulting inflation while squeezing everyone else while the NY Fed manages market interventions that help do the same.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:59 PM
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54. One more important post
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/mchugh/2005/1114.html

When we presented the Hindenburg Omen analysis several weeks ago, we warned that the PPT (Stock Market Plunge Protection Team) would likely buy this market to stop the higher-than-normal probability that the market could crash. Why did we warn that the PPT would likely buy this market, and stop any potential crash? Because of the M-3 numbers. We could see there was too much money being created. We know that the way money gets into the economy is by the Fed buying securities. Inflation is too much money (M-3) chasing goods. Well, GDP (goods and services) is growing annually around 3.8 percent, yet M-3 was being pumped at three times that rate of growth. The difference had to go somewhere. It did. Into markets, and very probably equity markets.

Why all the M-3? Undoubtedly because the PPT wanted to manipulate markets at this time for reasons that are secret to everyone but them. We are left to speculate as to those reasons. Is the economy closer to the brink than anyone realizes? Or, is it politically expedient to goose markets? Do the corporatist elitists want the big payback for backing the powers that be, and insist upon a rising market into year end? Does Greenspan have an all-encompassing, overriding desire to ensure his legacy by seeing the Dow Industrials at an all-time high when he retires in January? We aren’t privy to the reasons because the Master Planners do not believe in the forthright flow of information. They believe that bad news cannot be handled by the flock, that confidence must be boosted at all costs, even if it entails manipulating the markets. Don’t let the dead be honored, instead sneaking them into Dover at night. Don’t let the real jobless figures be released, goose them with a phony birth/death adjustment, and so on. Now we can kiss goodbye the most important Fed statistic computed. Do you see what is happening folks? The Unpatriotic Act steals your civil liberties. Three young girls from Kansas cannot board an Amtrak train to New York unless they have a government issued photo ID. Not some futuristic sci-fi plot. Now. It is called Corporatist Fascism. Next could be freedom of speech. Then martial law. A computer chip under your skin (they advertised one for dogs on Sunday). Eventually, your right to vote. Then it is all over, game set and match.

Not a peep from Congress on the massacre of M-3. Oh the figure will be calculated. We just won’t be allowed to know it anymore. Really begs the question, once again, why? Obviously because the Master Planners expect to have to increase the Money Supply very rapidly, to extraordinary levels next year. Obviously because they believe they are going to need to buy equity and bond markets aggressively next year. Do they see a catastrophe coming that will require hyperinflation to bail the U.S. out? Maybe. Every time we’ve had a tragic event of mass proportions in 2005, the equity markets have mysteriously risen out of the blue, sharply, taking shorts to the cleaners. London bombing, Katrina, Rita, indictment of a top administration official, Refco, etc… Yes, the Master Planners have learned that they have the wherewithal and the gall to buy the markets — and get away with it. They have learned that at those times when markets are at greatest risk, when shorts have their positions lined up, a little S&P futures index buying, a select few large cap stock buys, a leak to the trading floor that their golden boy trader is buying is enough to send the shorts scurrying for cover and buy the market. You see, the PPT only needs to kick start the buying. Then the shorts buy. Then the Hedge Funds jump on the bandwagon in search of that elusive trend — either up or down — deciding it is going to be up, and keep the rally going. But by the time the Hedgies are buying, the PPT is able to get out (and their Wall Street friends who took the risk and bought with them early) at a nice profit, the shorts are out licking their losses, and we watch a waning rally with low upside volume, low advance/decline ratios, and a high number of New Lows — kinda like right now.

Yes, don’t let the technical analysts and Fed watchers know when the PPT is coming in. That will spook the shorts out and the PPT needs the shorts in. But the March 2006 M-3 announcement makes one wonder. What in the world are they going to be up to next year, that will require hiding the growth of money supply from the U.S. citizenry who used to own this country, who elected this outfit? War? A big-time war? Martial law? Could it be as simple and corporatist as merely wanting to drive equity markets higher so weak political ratings improve? Maybe nothing to do with national security at all? These are the types of questions every thinking man and woman needs to ask themselves and their congressional representatives, given the Fed announcement. Remember, the original mandate of the Fed was to ensure a stable currency. Money. So now they aren’t going to release their measure of money to the public? One thing that can be agreed upon, based upon our technical analysis work, is that we are sitting upon an incredibly fragile moment in the markets, one that is in no shape to psychologically withstand a catastrophic event on its own. It would thus appear that the Federal Reserve, in tandem with the Master Planner Team, is taking steps to prepare for the worst, and unfortunately that requires secrecy from the people. Secrecy about how much money is going into the economy. Secrecy.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:15 AM
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56. One thing has been abundantly clear for the last 5 years.
The treasury is being raided at unprecedented levels. I suspect that 30,000? individuals are reaping untold windfalls. Way beyond the usual vigorish.

The question is "Why?" Like a squirrel in the fall they're hoarding against an impending winter. What is that winter? Oil? Environment? I picture them in their estates building thicker and taller walls to keep the enemy out. And that enemy is us.
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