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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:03 PM
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Hey DUers, I need a source for how many insurgents are iraqi nationals
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 07:03 PM by eyepaddle
Can y'all help me out?

Thanks in advance.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:43 PM
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1. Nearly all of them, according to this:
If America Left Iraq

Wouldn't a US Withdrawal Embolden the Insurgency?

No. If the occupation were to end, so, too, would the insurgency. After all, what the resistance movement has been resisting is the occupation. Who would the insurgents fight if the enemy left? When I asked Sunni Arab fighters and the clerics who support them why they were fighting, they all gave me the same one-word answer: intiqaam - revenge. Revenge for the destruction of their homes, for the shame they felt when Americans forced them to the ground and stepped on them, for the killing of their friends and relatives by US soldiers either in combat or during raids.

But what about the foreign jihadi element of the resistance? Wouldn't it be empowered by a US withdrawal?

The foreign jihadi element - commanded by the likes of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - is numerically insignificant; the bulk of the resistance has no connection to al-Qaeda or its offshoots. (Zarqawi and his followers have benefited greatly from US propaganda blaming him for all attacks in Iraq, because he is now seen by Arabs around the world as more powerful than he is; we have been his best recruiting tool.) It is true that the Sunni resistance welcomed the foreign fighters (and to some extent still do), because they were far more willing to die than indigenous Iraqis were. But what Zarqawi wants
fundamentally conflicts with what Iraqi Sunnis want: Zarqawi seeks re-establishment of the Muslim caliphate and a Manichean confrontation with infidels around the world, to last until Judgment Day; the mainstream Iraqi resistance just wants the Americans out. If US forces were to leave, the foreigners in Zarqawi's movement would find little support - and perhaps significant animosity - among Iraqi Sunnis, who want wealth and power, not jihad until death. They have already lost much of their support: many Iraqis have begun turning on them. In the heavily Shia Sadr City foreign jihadis had burning tires placed around their necks. The foreigners have not managed to establish themselves decisively in any large cities. Even at the height of their power in Fallujah they could control only one neighborhood, the Julan, and they were hated by the city's resistance council. Today foreign fighters hide in small villages and are used opportunistically by the nationalist resistance.

When the Americans depart and Sunnis join the Iraqi government, some of the foreign jihadis in Iraq may try to continue the struggle - but they will have committed enemies in both Baghdad and the Shiite south, and the entire Sunni triangle will be against them. They will have nowhere to hide. Nor can they merely take their battle to the West. The jihadis need a failed state like Iraq in which to operate. When they leave Iraq, they will be hounded by Arab and Western security agencies.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:00 PM
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2. Some numbers
Foreign detainees are few in Iraq
By Peter Eisler and Tom Squitieri, USA TODAY

Suspected foreign fighters account for less than 2% of the 5,700 captives being held as security threats in Iraq, a strong indication that Iraqis are largely responsible for the stubborn insurgency.

Since last August, coalition forces have detained 17,700 people in Iraq who were considered to be enemy fighters or security risks, and about 400 were foreign nationals, according to figures supplied last week by the U.S. military command handling detention operations in Iraq. Most of those detainees were freed after a review board found they didn't pose significant threats. About 5,700 remain in custody, 90 of them non-Iraqis.

The numbers represent one of the most precise measurements to date of the composition of the insurgency and suggest that some Bush administration officials have overstated the role of foreign holy warriors, or jihadists, from other Arab states. The figures also suggest that Iraq isn't as big a magnet for foreign terrorists as some administration critics have asserted.

In Ramadi, where Marines have fended off coordinated attacks by hundreds of insurgents, the fighters "are all locals," says Lt. Col. Paul Kennedy, commander of the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment. "There are very few foreign fighters."
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:14 PM
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3. Thanks,
that is pretty much what I thought, but I wanted as many different sources as possible.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:15 PM
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4. Doesn't the term "insurgent" mean someone from another
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 10:16 PM by madeline_con
country entering Iraq to blow things up?

EDIT: Calling them "freedom fighters" or "resistance" would make us look like we should leave. We can't have that!
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