The Pentagon Breaks the Islam Taboo,by Investigating Islam Itself.

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Washington's policy-makers have been careful in the war on terror to distinguish between Islam and the terrorists. The distinction has rankled conservatives who see scarce difference.

A little-noticed speech by President Bush in October gave them some hope. In a major rhetorical shift, he described the enemy as "Islamic radicals" and not just "terrorists," although he still denies that radicalism has anything to do with their religion.

Now for the first time, a key Pentagon intelligence agency involved in homeland security is delving into Islam's holy texts to answer whether Islam is being radicalized by the terrorists or is already radical. Military brass want a better understanding of what's motivating the insurgents in Iraq and the terrorists around the globe, including those inside America who may be preparing to strike domestic military bases. The enemy appears indefatigable, even more active now than before 9/11.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20539

Has anybody seen or heard of this pentagon paper thats being referred?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. If you want to get billions of people to hate America

then denigrate Islam. What in the world are these people thinking about? And if they are studying the Qur'an to see if it is "radical", I would suggest they also read the New Testament. Man, the agneda of that Jesus dude (not to be confused with fundamentalist Christianity) is VERY radical.

[Jim__]

4. I would hope if they wanted to learn about Islam

then, in addition to studying the Qur'an, they would talk to Islamic scholars. I can't believe that they wouldn't.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. depends on their agenda

If they've already decided on their conclusions, they won't want any scholars messing it up with the truth.

[Ian David]

8. But Bush just gave Mohamed Ali a Medal of Freedom!

Surely, the pointless symbolism of that gesture must outweigh any substantial harm we might do to the Muslim world.

It's not like we just give those medals away to someone like Carol Burnett for... say... making TV commercials pitching Bush's medicare drug benefit.

[Jim__]

2. It looks like an extreme RW magazine.

The article appears to be selected quotes surrounded by the columnist's hopes. I certainly hope the pentagon is not about to identify Islam as the enemy as these paragraphs would suggest:

The hardest part of formulating a strategic response to the threat is defining Islam as a political and military enemy. Once that psychological barrier has been crossed, defense sources tell me, the development of countermeasures -- such as educating the public about the militant nature of Islam and exploiting "critical vulnerabilities" or rifts within the Muslim faith and community -- can begin.

"Most Americans don't realize we are in a war of survival -- a war that is going to continue for decades," the Northcom official warns.

It remains to be seen, however, whether our PC-addled political leaders would ever adopt such controversial measures.

Very dangerous and very stupid stuff.

[SkiGuy]

3. Shouldn't they have done this...

before they invaded???

[jfxgillis]

5. Actuallly, under the surface this might be good thing

I think it means that a bunch of field-grade officers have finally figured out that
"They hate for our freedom" catchphrases are worse than worthless.

There's a possiblity that one of the Majors or Colenels involved will figure out that ALL religions eventually produce an ideological extreme that does not represent 99% of the religion.

However, I hasten to add, I'm wishin' and hopin'. I have not a shred of evidence that what I just said is true.

[Toots]

6. Every single Arab that speaks on any news show says it has nothing to do

with religion. It is all about Power and Wealth...and foreign powers operating in their lands. Why do we insist that this is a religious war?

[Wind Dancer]

7. A David Horowitz website.

[starroute]

9. They're trying to turn Moslems into the new Commies

I was looking through the new book shelf at the library last night and ran into one book whose blurb claimed that Moslems have infiltrated the US government (!) and that their agenda is to replace the Constitution with the Quran (!) and turn America into a Moslem nation (!!!).

I was so horrified that I quickly jammed it back onto the shelf without noting the title. I don't know whether this kind of attempt to replicate McCarthyism wholesale is more laughable or more dangerous, but either way it's an extremely disturbing sign of the times.

[bpilgrim]

10. The XXI Crusades have begun

if they really are investigating islam :crazy:

peace

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. He implies it's unpublished, and he's got special access to it

which, given the far-right nature of the site, may mean it only exists in his poisoned imagination (I'd hope so, since I don't think it's the Pentagon's job to declare a whole religion as 'evil', but I wouldn't put it past some of them).

However, one bit he quotes does show one hit in Google:

Attached is a piece that may be of interest to the Group. This was in
response to a request for Research Recommendations by the Army War
College. It may be of interest to the strategists on the list. If the
graphics do not come through, let me know. They are central to the
meaning of the message.

Ideological Battles: Creating a Defensive Strategy Against an
Ideological Threat

The United States does not have a tradition of success in fighting
ideological battles at the Ideological level. The two primary
Ideological Wars that the United States participated in were the
Revolutionary War and the Cold War. The United States used predominantly
Diplomatic, Military and Economic power to defeat the British and the
Soviet Union. In each case, the enemy presented diplomatic, military and
economic targets against which our levers of national power (Diplomatic,
Military and Economic) could be focused. The United States, however,
never employed, at the strategic level, the Ideological (or Information)
Lever of Power. Today we are confronted with a stateless threat that
does not have, at the strategic level, targetable entities: no Capitals,
no Economic Base, no Military Formations or Installations. Yet,
political Islam wages an ideological battle against the Non-Islamic
world at the tactical, operational and strategic level. The West's
response is focused at the tactical and operational level leaving the
strategic level, the ideological engine of Islam, unaddressed.

A strategic solution may exist by employing a variant of the
Clausewitzian Trinity, identifying the Centers of Gravity (GC) and
Critical Vulnerabilities (CV) for each of the three elements and
splitting the seams binding them as shown below. The identified CG, CV,
and Seams become the subject of a strategic information campaign.

William Gawthrop

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CounterTerrorism-L/message/4524

(and the graphics didn't come through on the Yahoo group). No-one on the list replied to it.

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15. William Gawthrop

William Gawthrop

Program Manager, Joint Terrorism Task Forces

Department of Defense

Counterintelligence Field Activity


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CounterTerrorism-L/message/4532

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CounterTerrorism-L/message/4122

[oneold1-4u]

13. Defining "radical"

Christians (radical) believe all others will go to hell, so their deaths, (by any means) is acceptable!
Islam believes the same about non islamics!
"Those christians", after more than 2000 years of enlightenment, still believe a woman belongs to her father or husband!
Islam, after more than 1400 years still believes a woman is lower than a camel and only good for procreation of male children! (Saudi Arabia)
"Those christians" still dunk their children in water to insure they will go to heaven!
Islamics defile their children with a blade for the same purpose!
Most world battles have been for the purpose of changing whole cultures, from the days of the caveman. Who is to say that any "culture" in the universe is either right or wrong except by more death?

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14. If this pentagon

paper is for real that hes quoting from,then more american soldiers will be needed to fight president bush's war on terror,which means there will be a draft.