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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:56 AM
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Stand by your DINO (Is your DINO on this list? Should they be?)
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 01:25 AM by norml
After all, they don't always vote with the repubs.


Democrats who have been accused of being DINOs include:


Sen. Max Baucus of Montana (The American Prospect, Dec 30, 2002)

Rep. Melissa Bean of Illinois, who voted for CAFTA, the Bankruptcy Bill and the Class Action Fairness Act.

Former Rep. Brad Carson of Oklahoma, who often touted his 'A' rating from the National Rifle Association, support for many of President Bush's tax cuts and support for the Federal Marriage Amendment.

Rep. Stephanie Herseth of South Dakota who voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment.

Mayor Ed Koch of New York City who supported Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and several Republican mayors, governors, and senators of New York

Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who voted for the three most conservative Bush appellate court nominees (Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen and William Pryor). However, after she was ridiculed by Republicans following Hurricane Katrina, it became tough for Democrats to apply the DINO moniker to her.

Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, a hawkish supporter of much of the Bush administration's foreign policy (TomPaine.com, July 17, 2002, See also numerous obscure sources listed on Google)

Former Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, keynote speaker at the 2004 Republican National Convention (called an "in name only" by Terry McAuliffe), who had a 94% voting record with the Republican leadership from 2003 to 2004 and now is a Fox News contributor.

Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, a supporter of the Federal Marriage Amendment and opponent of abortion rights.

Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who voted thrice in favor of John Bolton and also voted for three most conservative Bush appellate court nominees (Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen and William Pryor).

Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado, who voted for and introduced Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and sat by his side during Gonzales' confirmation hearings.

Rep. Gene Taylor of Mississippi who voted for all four articles of impeachment against Bill Clinton, and for the Federal Marriage Amendment.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican/Democrat_In_Name_Only
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:59 AM
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1. Right and I would have so loved to have had Sen. Woody Jenkins

as opposed to Mary.



:puke: :puke: :puke:
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:09 AM
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2. I know what you mean. Nelson is so much better than the rightwingnuts
the repubs of this state run to try to take him out.

Even though he is one of the biggest DINOs in the Senate, I'll support him.

So you see, I'm being totally serious.

Love that Ben!

:eyes:

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Stephist Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:12 PM
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66. I was going to write in a Candidate
Until I saw Pete Ricketts TV Ads. That fool has scared me into voting for Nelson again.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:15 AM
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3. Melissa Bean is my DINO
and she is far better than the alternative.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:25 AM
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4. The Circular Firing Squad Needs More Practice?
Let's look at Gene Taylor. Yep, he did vote for Clinton's inquisition, but right now he's Haley Barbour and one of this regime's biggest critics. So do you find a challenger to tie up his time and resources while the Repugnicans float an uncontested challenger loaded with all sorts of White House perks and money? I guess you think losing that seat is important.

I work for one of the candidates on that list. I didn't agree with that vote, but I did with a majority of the votes this person has cast. The reason this person made the list was the vote was for some local business interests who provide lots of jobs in this area as well as funding for local politicians. The Repugnicans already have this district targeted and are already buying TV ads and hitting the streets with lots of full time paid operatives. The Repugnicans already have their candidate selected and he's a definite wingnut's dream come true. So are you suggesting that I support a challenger to the incumbent Democrat...forcing this person and the challenger to divide the local party's resources and loyalties...then somehow unite to beat a very well established and funded challenger in the fall?

A great Democrat, Tip O'Neill said "All politics are local"...one of the things I detest the most of the Repugnicans in Congress is their lock-step strong-arm tactics...forcing representatives to vote against their local best interests if it runs counter to the national party or some ideologues. Idealism and playing "whose a DINO" is a game the Democrats can only have the luxuary of playing when they have a solid majority in the House and Senate...until then this is highly counterproductive.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:33 AM
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6. It's an issue that must be dealt with.
Might as well bring it out in the open.

I'm not for "The Circular Firing Squad"

This is a positive thread in support of DINOs.

So stand by your DINO, (at least when it comes to the general election).
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:17 AM
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15. I Don't See How It's Positive
...but to each their own. So since my Representative didn't square with the definition of a "Democrat" to be included in this list, this person is just leaching on the Democratic name? Spare me.

What's the purpose of bringing up these votes and names? Are you supporting these people or what? For a party that has no real power, one wouldn't know it from looking around this place. Unfortunately it's like debating about the food service in the midst of a famine.

Peace...
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:36 AM
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16. It provides an opportunity to make the case for pragmatism
and to explore the DINO phenomenon.
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:27 AM
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5. Yes, by all means let us make a list to purge from the party
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 01:29 AM by The Whiskey Priest
then we will spend the next two decades on the outside looking in and carping about what the opposition is doing to us.

For those who do not understand, every Democrat we have is one less Republican they have....the more Democrats in politics, even if they are not totally pure enough for us, means we control.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:47 AM
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7. It's not a purge list, it's a discussion topic.
It's not like the word never gets used around here.

Here's some search results for current topics on DU containing the acronim DINO.

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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:54 AM
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8. They are Democrats! I will support them no matter what!
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 01:54 AM by Cascadian
:sarcasm:


Unfortunately, this is the logic of some people! DINO or not!



John
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salukidem Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:00 AM
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11. Well as for Rep. Bean won a race that took many by surprise this is
her first term and still needs to build up the base that most of congress enjoys (90%+ re-election rate)
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:54 AM
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22. you must be one of those evil people who pay attention!!!
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:51 PM
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61. Yes I am!
Must-vote-at-the-center! Must-support-DLC-Democrats! Must-vote-pro-war-though-I-am-against-it! <robot voice>

more... :sarcasm: !


John
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
32. It sounds like pragmatism is not high on your priority list.
Let me know when you get Cascadia going.

I'll be glad to move there.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:57 AM
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9. You forgot Dianne Feinstein.
Not as big a DINO as the aforementioned but much to much of a DINO for California.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. Wikpedia made the list, not me.
I like Dianne Feinstein.

What do you think she could do better?
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:45 AM
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18. "Condi is my friend....
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 02:48 AM by LunaC
so I voted to approve her for Secretary of State." (paraphrased)

In view of Condi's lies in selling the war that were repeatedly exposed by Boxer, friendship alone isn't a valid criteria or justification.

One of many DINO votes.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. Um, not lie her ass off about the Iraqi invasion?
You like Dianne?

Good. I hope you have enough kids to staff our Iraqi invasion so DiFi can continue her war profiteering.

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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. I guess I haven't been following her statements that closely
Maybe I was confusing her with Barbara Boxer.

Still, I'm sure she's better than whatever rightwingnut the repubs would run against her.

Good luck in the primaries.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:16 AM
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27. Sorry to come off so hostile. But, this is what happned.
Before this war, many, many of us wrote to her and begged her to stand up and just say no.

We got, in return, a mass email that said, 1) She had super secret knowledge about Iraqi weapons and 2) Diplomacy had failed.

It was the most transparent bull you've ever seen. That's when I started digging stuff up, because I knew there had to be a reason for her behavior.

Her husband's company got the contract to build CentCom.

So, while I remember what a good job she did keeping San Francisco together after the murder of dear Harvey Milk, she's been bought by the defense industry. There's no way to soften that. :(
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #27
39. This is the same husband she used her influence to keep out of
jail when his education scam was discovered?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. I don't know anything about that one.
But as far as I know, she's been married to the same person for quite a while.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. His name is Richard Blum.
He also has ties to the Bechtel Corporation another war profiteer along with Halliburton.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. Cleita, do you know about that scam? I only have read about
the defense contracts and their China deals.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. I had information on it that is buried somewhere in my
messy files. I'll try to dig it up for you and I will P. M. you.

What I can remember off the top of my head is that Richard is involved with companies tied to Bechtel. I forget if it's a subsidiary or a holding company.

I'll get back to you sometimes today or tomorrow.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Oh -- I've read about the Bechtel affiliations. But, keeping him
out of jail for an education scam is the new one I was wondering about. :)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. These are the links I have.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. Thank you, Cleita
:hi:
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
64. Wow, so that's why she bugs the crap out of me.
I knew there had to be a reason.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #13
40. She's too in bed with many Republicans and the same
corporations that support Bush and she voted for the Iraqi War Resolution, which I will never forgive her for.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #9
42. Watch it about Di Fi, now.
She will be my cousin by marriage soon! ;) (Yes, she's my fiance's Mom's cousin).
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. Well, I can understand why you don't like criticism of
someone who will be family soon, however, this is about politics, not personal matters. Politics affects all of us. What Dianne does in the Senate for better or worse affects all of us.

I wonder if she and the other DINOs who voted for the IWR had voted against it, if there would have been a Camp Casey and grieving mother Cindy Sheehan today?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. Congratulations!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:58 AM
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10. my Stephanie is on the list
for a mere one vote? That does not seem reasonable, and she must be much better than Janklow, especially as far as motorcyclists are concerned.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:01 AM
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12. I'll second that DiFi.
She aint the worst of 'em, but she's no Barbara Boxer either.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #12
21. She is by no means the worst of them.
Except when it comes to defense contracts and trade agreements with China. Because,you guessed it! She profits from both.

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:09 AM
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14. Salazar and his staff get regular phone calls from me--since his local
office is right up the street, and his office manager and I go to the same karaoke bar. I have told Ken repeatedly that if we had wanted a conservative, catholic republican, we could have voted for pete coors.

once in a while, he gets things right, but not too often.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:41 AM
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17. let's compare records with a "moderate" Republican
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 02:56 AM by Douglas Carpenter
Let me make it clear that I am a progressive and certainly no friend of the DLC

I don't have time to go through all of those on the list but using Vote Smart's Interest group rating--let's compare Senator Sen. Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana with Mr. Moderate Republican himself, Sen. John McCain. I chose Sen. Baucus because he was the first on the list and I have basically never heard of him and therefore have no bias:

This is courtesy of project vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0510103&type=category&category=Abortion%2BIssues&go.x=13&go.y=6
_____________________

"2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 0 percent in 2004.
_________________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Peace Action 13 percent in 2004.
______________________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Friends Committee on National Legislation 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Friends Committee on National Legislation 0 percent in 2004.
____________________________________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 0 percent in 2004.
__________________

2003-2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 78 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 22 percent in 2003-2004.
__________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 92 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 33 percent in 2004.
_________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 73 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 9 percent in 2004.
__________________________

2003-2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the National Education Association 85 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Education Association 35 percent in 2003-2004.
______________________

2003-2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 50 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 25 percent in 2003-2004.
_____________________________________

2003-2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 14 percent in 2003-2004.
_____________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Family Research Council 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Family Research Council 67 percent in 2004.
___________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 83 percent in 2004.
_____________________________

2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 29 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 72 percent in 2004.
____________________________

2003-2004 Senator Baucus supported the interests of the Concerned Women for America 7 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Concerned Women for America 100 percent in 2003-2004."

_________________________________________

Now I will end with a 1996 quote from Noam Chomsky on why he was voting for Clinton's reelection and not for Nader:

from: Understanding Power by Noam Chomsky page 337

"I mean, I'll vote for Clinton, holding my nose--but the reason has nothing at all to do with big policy issues; there I can't see too much difference. What it has to do with are things like who's going to get to appoint the judiciary happens to have a big effect on people's lives....
They may be small policy differences when you look at the big picture--but remember, there's a huge amount of power out there, and small policy differences implementing a huge amount of power can make a big difference in people's lives....Okay, that makes a lot of difference for people whose kids are hungry in downtown Boston"

Of course that was in 1996. Since the first administration of Bush jr. it is clear that Dr. Chomsky considers the current Republican Party with its fundamentalist base and its influence on domestic policy and neoconservative influence on foreign policy to represent a significant departure from what had been bi-partisan consensus into a whole new and much more dangerous direction thus increasing the differences between the two parties
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #17
23. You make an excellent case that one called a DINO can be much better
than one called a RINO.

One must always look at the stats.

Let's DU support our DINOs and let the Fweepers be the ones to throw out their RINOs.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 02:46 AM
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19. The Dem party of NE can officially kiss my ass if Nelson
continues his anti-gay, anti-female stance. Screw em.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:12 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. I'll kiss it, but I don't think that will change Nelson.
Public opinion in Nebraska will have to change first.

I'm working on that.

Maybe you should call Nelson.

Maybe you can change his mind.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:28 AM
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28. More than the last time I called all 3 of his orifices- I mean offices?
For you I will try again. What the hell.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:15 AM
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26. Amen and amen.
Unless our Dems get brave and stop promoting this horrid Republican-lite agenda ...

we're the ones who will be screwed.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:39 AM
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29. The RIGHT to chose was my line in the sand LONG AGO
One way demands the utter subjegation of women and chucks spears at the notions of science and logic.

The kinder and more tolerant model allows for the majesty and miricale of God, but respects the worth of all of us - be they believers or not.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 10:57 AM
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30. You should see the monsters the repubs of this state run against him.
The situation in this state is that Nebraska Right to Life won't endorse any Democrat, no matter how anti reproductive rights, no matter how anti right to privacy they are, and for their repub candidates they demand total ideological purity.

It is Nebraska Right to Life's hold on power that must be broken.

Though you see Nelson as their friend, they consider him their foe for not being with them 100% of the time.

I will support Nelson, because he is the lesser of two evils, and to keep our numbers up in the Senate.

I regularly flame him on my radio show, while still pointing out that he's better than the alternative, just as I have done here.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:07 AM
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31. Better a DINO than what I have
Judy Biggert (R - Rubber Stamp) is my representative and I'd take a Melissa Bean over her any day!
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:14 AM
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34. What's the difference between an (R-Rubber Stamp) and a (D-GOP Rubber
Stamp)?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:15 AM
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35. One more (D) to add to the rest
Can't set the agenda if you don't have the majority.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:17 AM
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36. I think worrying about the majority first and the principles second is
what got us here in the first place. If the choice is between a Republican and a Democrat that acts Republican, I say to hell with em both.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:25 AM
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38. IF we do not concern ourselves with replacing as many (R)s with (D)s, we'l
never retake the congress.

Ever.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:04 PM
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48. Walt, I love you dearly, I really do. But my feeling is that if we throw
up a crap foundation, built upon Republicans who just call themselves Democrats to get an office, the whole damn thing is for naught because we'll just lose that majority and end up with the situation we currently are in. I just can't force myself to hold my nose and pull the handle for Melissa Bean. Phil Crane was no picnic obviously,and I'm damn glad he's gone, but Melissa broke my heart. I worked hard for her and sent money I didn't have to get her elected and she sure as hell turned her back on me and my neighbors. I know alot of Dems in my district feel the same way. She has lost support from the local unions who won't support her any longer, a major reason she got elected in the first place.

The Dem Party out here is so dis-connected and out of touch with the people it's sickening.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:50 PM
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54. If you don't pull the lever for Melissa BEan
you'll have a Phil Crane clone regardless, and the Dems will have one less seat to add to tehir numbers.

Being in the minority means you have NO SAY. It's unfortunate, but true.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:24 AM
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37. I've got Fortenberry (R - Rubber Stamp) for my rep.
I'm sure his Democratic opponent wouldn't have pleased those of the "Must be Pro-Choice" position, but he would've been much better than the out of state Delay money taking right wing nut we ended up with.
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jackpan1260 Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:12 AM
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33. Most of the "DINOs" are from red states. Why are people surprised
they are more conservative than other democrats?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:45 AM
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43. Welcome to DU, jackpan
:hi:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:59 AM
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47. Is this a little like the list
of Un-American Activities? Every Democrat has to be ideologically pure (meaning believes exactly what you believe) in order to be considered authentic? Wouldn't that isolate a lot of strong Democrats?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:24 PM
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49. Lyrics to "Stand By Your DINO" by me.
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 12:27 PM by norml
"Stand By Your DINO"

Sometimes it's hard to be a Democrat
Casting your vote for some DINO
You'll have bad times and they'll have good times
Doing things that you don't understand

But if you love them please forgive them
Even though they're hard to understand
And if you love them, whoa be proud of them
'Cause after all they're just a DINO

Stand by your DINO
Be glad they're not a RINO
They could be so much worse
So try not so much to curse

Stand by your DINO
And show the world you love them
Keep giving all the support you know
Stand by your DINO

And if you love them, whoa be proud of them
'Cause after all they're just a DINO

Stand by your DINO
Be glad they're not a RINO
They could be so much worse
So try not so much to curse

Stand by your DINO
And show the world you love them
Keep giving all the support you know
Stand by your DINO

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. LOL. That's great!
Very touching. (wipes away a tear & waves a lighter).
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:35 PM
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53. Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 12:44 PM by insane_cratic_gal
she's on your list but hard to label her? What she became a "real" Democrat for 2 weeks after the Katrina fiasco? Ya really hard time sticking dino on her.

Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions
Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women

Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy
Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels

Rated 50% by APHA, The American Public Health Association: indicating a mixed record on public health issues

Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy.
Voted NO on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill.

Rated 21% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes

Supports Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism

Member of Democratic Leadership Council.

She has a "better" voting record then some, but I personally feel she more often then not reaches across the isle too much in favor of republicans

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Mary_Landrieu.htm

Over All she even admitted she had voted with President George W. Bush more than 70 percent of the time
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:53 PM
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58. Ed Koch?????
Where have you been? He hasn't been mayor of NYC in years.

And there were those of us who hated him

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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:57 PM
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59. Bill Nelson of FL a major DINO; as is every Dem who voted for the
predatory "bankruptcy reform" legislation that fucks over anyone who has lost their home in the hurricanes, had to have lifesaving surgery while uninsured, or needed to buy food and pay for electricity while unemployed. I'll never forgive them for supporting such heartless legislation - legislation that Bill Clinton vetoed because he said it would hurt those in our society who most need help.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:02 PM
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60. Senator Dianne Feinstein - War Profiteer
i know that are dems that are invested in the war - investments with DoD and Pentagon contractors, oil companies in South Asia and Nigeria - kind of makes for conflict of interest when it came to the vote in favor of a war based on lies, if you know what i mean.

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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:56 PM
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62. Maine's got "RINO"s, but no DINOs.
:D
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:59 PM
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63. Bill Clinton
-signed Defense of Marriage Act

-signed North American Free Trade agreement

-signed General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade

Hey, if we're going after Democrats, shoot for the moon?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:12 AM
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69. That's just silly. He's not that bad.
He may be DLC, but he's no DINO.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:09 PM
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65. Tyrannosaurus Rex, the biggest Dino of all!
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:16 PM
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67. Mike Ross... my Rep. in Arkansas.
Just got a Christmas card from this DINO. He proudly calls himself a "conservative Democrat". Ugh!! This guy has voted on just about everything the pugs have pushed down the pike. :puke:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:22 PM
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68. I can speak for Gene Taylor
I am a libertarian socialist down here in Mississippi. The ideals of "voluntary socialism" or "laissez-faire socialism" I find attractive, especially given the state at present is opposed to everything that comes close to socialism. When the state fails, the last alternative is for the people to educate and organize themselves directly to fend for each other in the power vacuum.

I disagree with Gene Taylor on many issues, most especially the social issues. Am I going to call him a "DINO"? Hell no. I don't see it anymore my party than his. The "Democratic Party" is just a damn name in the end. I hold more faith in my principles than I do in labels. If Gene Taylor wants to be a Democrat, feel free, I say. I don't think liberals have anymore of a stake on the name than any centrist would.

The real progressives are the ones I support, and not all of them were or are Democrats.
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