My Co-Worker just told me that Christians can't donate organs.

[wixomblues]

I have never, ever, heard this before. She is a little nuts, but is a standard Lutheran. I'm not sure where she is getting this from. But she just told me that she would neverbecome an organ donor because it was against her religion. She couldn't tell me how, or why, but somehow she knew God would frown on someone using her eyes or liver or whatever.

I'm not one to bash the religious people, we need bake sales from time to time. Just curious if anyone else has ever heard this line of reasoning before.

Oh, she just told me that it was from the Old Testament, so it meant I couldn't donate organs either, since I'm Jewish.

P.S. I need to get out of Wixom

[FreedomAngel82]

1. I'm Christian and have never heard of it either

Very weird. :shrug: First time I've ever heard of that.

[Solomon]

108. I think it has something to do with resurrection. My family believes it

a great sin to be cremated because they believe that when Christ returns all the dead bodies will be resurrected. If you are cremated there's no body to resurrect. Same with organ donations. You're going to need that liver and kidney when christ returns.

[distantearlywarning]

2. I have a very strict Lutheran grandmother

and I never heard her say anything about organ donation being bad.

[roguevalley]

41. She's wrong. Its considered a monumental act of Christian charity

and love to do this. Everyone in my family has it checked. Tell your friend that she's full of it.

[shoelace414]

3. I've heard I think Jehovah Witnesses

and I hear Orthodox Jews, but never heard that about Lutheran.

[Ian David]

46. Jehova's Witnesses also refuse to ACCEPT organs too.That's fair enough.n/t

[Horse with no Name]

89. Actually no they don't

It used to be frowned upon in the religion just as receiving blood.
That is, until one of the church elders needed a kidney transplant.
They changed the rules and said that JW can receive kidney's.
God would have wanted them to.
However, I always wondered about all the JW before him that died needing kidneys--only to learn the scripture had been misinterpreted.:eyes:

[mikeytherat]

4. Christian here, and the "Donor" box is checked on my driver's license

Harvest what you can, and dispose of the rest as efficiently as possible.

mikey_the_rat

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Exactly

If you're dead it's not like you're going to need it and it'd just rot anyways.

[RebelOne]

88. Atheist here and the donor box is also checked on my license.

Besides, I save $15 on the cost of my license as long as I am an organ donor. I don't really care what happens to my organs after I'm gone from this world. The rest of me is going to be cremated anyway.

[ET Awful]

5. Well, Jehovah's Witnesses forbid blood transfusion and organ donation

It takes a while to get around to the real reason, but from what I was able to gather as a child being raised as a "witness", it has something to do with them viewing it as cannibalism.

No.

Seriously.

I'm not kidding.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

96. I had one tell me once.....

That when Jesus returns (Rapture) he was going to have to roam around looking for his missing leg before he would be allowed to rise to Heaven with Jesus. Aparently Heaven won't let you in if you are missing parts. :shrug:
He seemed really bitter about it too.

[ET Awful]

100. No Jehovah's Witness would say that, they don't believe in the rapture.

They also believe that only 144,000 will be allowed into heaven, the rest will be resurrected in a paradise on Earth.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

102. He didn't call it the Rapture....

I'm sure you are correct. Said Jesus would come down and take the worthy back with him while Satan ruled the people left on earth.

Sounds like the rapture to me, no matter what they call it. :shrug:

[ET Awful]

103. Well he's talking about something completely unrelated to typical

Witness teachings then, I'm not sure where he would have gotten that from. They believe that when Christ returns, he'll pretty much trash everything, then the righteous will be resurrected to live in a paradise on Earth. The 144,000 (never quite understood their criteria for selection of these 144,000) would go to heaven, all the rest of the true believers would stay on a newly created paradise here on Earth.

The belief seemed to be that Satan is here and running things now, and that Christ's return would be to destroy him.

[Caution]

6. more info on the subject re: judaism and organ donation

I am an atheist but i found your question interesting and did a quick search

http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_organdonation.htm

I have excerpted part of the answer. There is more at the link.

From "Ask the Rabbi"

Question

What is the position of Judaism on organ donation?"

Answer

This is a quite a complex question, but let me try to shed a little light on the subject for you.

With few exceptions, the obligation to preserve human life ("pikuah nefesh") is an overriding principle of Jewish law. This would support the idea of organ donation.

At the same time, Jewish law prohibits desecration of a dead body ("nivul hamet"). A dead person's body, since it once housed the holy soul, is to be treated with the utmost respect. Every part of the body must be buried - which is why you see the heart-wrenching images of religious Jews dutifully going around after a terrorist bombing, scraping up pieces of flesh and blood for burial.

How do we resolve these two principles?

Organ donation is permitted in the case when an organ is needed for a specific, immediate transplant. In such a case, it is a great mitzvah for a Jew to donate organs to save another person's life. Organ donation is not necessarily limited to dead people: Someone who can afford to spare a kidney, for example, may donate one to someone in need.

[Behind the Aegis]

10. Well done.

Much more complete than my answer! :)

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Jews aren't supposed to do that.

However, I do know that several of the reform persuasion are donors.

[BOSSHOG]

8. OH, The Old Testament, well that makes everything fine and dandy

Does she stone to death anyone who works on the "Sabbath?" That's in the old testament too!

[TahitiNut]

9. Ford country. (Figures.)

:evilgrin:

[NV Whino]

11. Cool, all the "heathens" get the organs.

[adarling]

12. umm i am lutheran

and went through confirmation and am apart of the missouri synod (unfortunatly)and it is one of the most conservative groups out there, besides the wisconsin synod. that is a bold face lie and actually they encourage us to do so. what a bunch of crap....sorry, i just don't like it went these false ideas get spread around about christianity, its not all bad people. every religious group has fanatics, ours are just getting exposed alot more lately.

[Critters2]

39. She may be a lot of things

but a "standard Lutheran" ain't one of 'em. No Lutheran tradition forbids organ donation. In fact, it is encouraged. She's just wrong on this one.

[adarling]

45. THANK YOU

hahhaa

[muriel_volestrangler]

77. It's specifically encouraged by the Missouri Synod

Q. What is the LCMS position on organ donation? Is there any help on this issue in the Bible?

A. The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod encourages organ donation as an act of Christian love, but this choice is entirely up to the individual and/or his or her family, and should not be a cause of guilt or regret no matter what decision is made. The Bible has nothing specific to say regarding this issue. Therefore, it is a matter of Christian freedom and personal (or family) discretion.

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2118

[donco6]

13. Not sure there was much liver donating going on in the OT.

Not sure where she's getting this idea from. I know the Bible pretty well and can't imagine what she's talking about.

[Vickers]

14. Does that mean she won't ACCEPT an organ, too?

:shrug:

That might bump a few hell-bound folks up some lists. :spank:

[Midlodemocrat]

15. She's wrong.

[Reciprocity]

16. I never heard of that either and I was raised fundamental Baptist.

Now I'm a backslider who prefers to hang out with my Pagan friends. I've never heard them say that either.
Oh and donor box is checked.

[PurgedVoter]

17. Next time you are cornered by her,

ask, Is giving blood is a sin, or is receiving blood is a sin? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Caution]

18. A link containing a long list of religions and their stance on organ

donation

http://www.transweb.org/qa/qa_txp/faq_religion.html


For lutherans:

In 1984, the Lutheran Church in America passed a resolution stating that donation contributes to the well-being of humanity and can be "an expression of sacrificial love for a neighbor in need." They call on "members to consider donating organs and to make any necessary family and legal arrangements, including the use of a signed donor card."

For judaism:

Jews believe that if it is possible to donate an organ to save a life, it is obligatory to do so. Since restoring sight is considered life saving, this includes cornea organ transplantation. See also "The Ethics of Organ Donation," a talk by Rabbi Moses Tendler. See also "Ovadia Yosef Rules Kidney Donations Permissable, Even Obligatory". See also an article written by Kathie Kroot, a donor mom, entitled "A Jewish Perspective on Organ Transplantation."

[jbnow]

I went to the site

and as I was seeing all the religions that permit or encourage donation I couldn't help thinking of stem cells.
The Catholic church considers donation an act of charity but stem cell donation an evil sin. Dead bodies are buried or burnt in the end. Unused embryo's are disposed of in some way too. Why isn't donating them for healing likewise an act of charity.

[Ian David]

56. Stem-cells have tiny little souls in them, I guess

If we keep cloning stemcells, then Gawd will run out of souls to put in all of them.

[jbnow]

19. Perhaps she has an odd little minister

who says bodies must be whole for when they are raised up at the end times. You don't want to meet the Lord with no heart or eyes. (Don't worry about the rotted flesh)

[Ian David]

53. If Gawd can raise the dead, then surely he can grow you a new pair of eyes

Especially if he could grow a whole woman out of some guy's rib-- a guy that he made from dirt.

Besides, it's not like the eyes would be LOST.

Gawd will still know where they are.

[Lisa]

70. and if that is the case, I would actually not want to have my eyes ...

.... were I a devout believer, because then I would have to see the look of disappointment on the Lord's face -- that I didn't try to save more lives and make people happy, just by checking off one little box on my driver's license.

A devout Catholic friend of mine, who originally had doubts about organ donation, was actually present at a hospital when a dead patient's organs were removed for transplant. He was so moved by the respect and compassion shown by all the medical personnel that he approves very strongly of this practice, and has urged his family and friends to do this as well.

p.s. my family's of Japanese descent, and even though the stricter versions of Shintoism frown on organ donation, we have a lot of family members in the health care professions ... and their view, encouraging organ donation, has prevailed. My uncle received a heart transplant, and for many years was the province of Alberta's longest-surviving recipient (thanks to the anonymous donor). As a direct result, I have become a regular blood donor and have also signed up for the Unrelated Bone Marrow Donor program.

[0rganism]

20. organ transplants were so common when Moses penned Leviticus...

...he felt he just had to do something about the organ donation fad that was causing his countrymen to spontaneously yank out their own spleens to help a stranger in need. Why just the other day, I was about to toss one of my kidneys to a hungry-looking coyote, but thankfully, my great knowledge of Torah and reliance on Halacha spared me from this horrible breach of trust with God's Prophets.

Watch out for organ donations and mixed-fabric underwear this Christmas!

[LostinVA]

42. The Talmud says that very thing!

[Ian David]

55. Talmud, Chapter 1, Page 316

And yea it was written that on this day two Jews did walk into a bloodbank.

Thus spake Ishmael, "Verily I say unto thee Sol, dost thou wish to donate a cubit of thy blood?"

[0rganism]

62. Truly, it is a great source of wisdom, spanning the millenia

The verses on proper use and maintenance of SUVs are especially enlightening.

[LostinVA]

78. As are the kosher tofu recipes

[0rganism]

86. My kitchen would not be complete without them

Indispensible!

Why just the other day, my son was about to put his hand in the cuisinart, so I said, "Hey! That one's tofu-only, you want the meat-friendly one on the third shelf." Where would we be without the guidance of immortal tradition?

[LostinVA]

101. giggle

[Ian David]

54. ROFL!!!! n/t

[RB TexLa]

21. and another link

http://www.transplantforlife.org/miracles/religion.html



Looks like my fiancee and I are "OK" in our churches

CATHOLICISM
Transplants are acceptable to the Vatican and donation is encouraged as an act of charity.

EPISCOPAL
The Episcopal Church passed a resolution in 1982 that recognizes the life-giving benefits of organ, blood, and tissue donation. All Christians are encouraged to become organ, blood, and tissue donors "as part of their ministry to others in the name of Christ, who gave his life that we may have life in its fullness."

[rurallib]

22. Raised catholic and I heard that as a kid

Had something to do with desecrating the body. Story is that when the rapture comes if your bady's been parted out, those parts will be missing and you may go to hell for desecration.
What bullshit.

[RB TexLa]

26. And whoever taught you that taught wrong according to the church

There are more than a few Saints who have their hearts buried apart from the rest of their bodies. And the buring of them was done by the church.

[rurallib]

34. Ah - yes that was aked - in those situations it wasn't by choice.

Not saying I wasn't taught wrong stuff. I could fill a month with all the lies I was told. But in this case the answer was that martyrs whose bodies were dismembered etc. did not have it done by their own choice, whereas to donate an organ would be a choice.
Of course about 5 years later another nun told me the exact opposite. Imagine that?
As for me, if I have anything useful left I hope I am parted out like a '57 Chevy.They've already been draining my oil (blood) for close to 40 years now.

[RB TexLa]

38. Could have asked about this guy

John Pecham
"His remains rest in Canterbury Cathedral, but his heart was buried in the church of the Grey Friars, London."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11599b.htm





on edit changed should to could, wasn't trying to tell you what you should have done. Everytime something like this comes up you find so many weird things that were taught to children.

[Ian David]

57. They considered doing something like that to Pope John Paul. n/t

[foreverdem]

30. I was taught the same thing

I remember in Catholic school being told that we were not allowed to be organ donors. Same reason, something about desecrating the body.

[ChickMagic]

72. I was taught that as well

as a Southern Baptist. When Jesus comes again, how can you see him if your eyes are gone? Never mind that they are going to be gone anyway if and when he ever does come back.

[Jim__]

52. I was raised catholic, and I think I was told that too; but ...

just looking on the Internet, I think the question becomes one of whether the donor of a critical organ is actually dead:

The condition of the body after someone has died is different from the clinical condition after a declaration of "brain death," which is based on alleged absence of all functioning of the brain. When such declaration is made, the life of the patient is supported with a ventilator. The ventilator moves air (oxygen) into the lungs. The ventilator only moves the air. Most other machines are mainly sensing and displaying information coming from the living body. Exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide occurs in the lungs and throughout the body via circulation. The heart is beating without the aid of technology or medication. There is a recordable blood pressure. When the knee is tapped, a knee jerk can be present. Color is normal, but when pressure is applied to the skin, it will blanch. Color will return to normal within a few seconds after pressure is removed. The clinical condition of someone declared "brain dead" is biologically and medically easily distinguished from the findings after death. More...

[drb]

23. Well, that's crap if I ever heard crap. Christians should be the first...

...to donate their organs. I am one and I certainly will.

[MuseRider]

24. I was once told

that since we are remade by God when we entered heaven it would be asking him to do more if he had to recreate our organs so it was probably not a good idea to donate.

I kid you not. :eyes:

[myrna minx]

25. I was raised ELCA but went to a strict Missouri Synod

school (boy are they strict) and I have to say that what your coworker stated is false. In fact, I would say that most Lutheran churches would encourage a person to *become* an organ donar.

[purr]

27. They knew about organ donation back in Biblical times?

... I thought that was more of a modern medical procedure.

[Garbo 2004]

28. I don't recall that either. I recall some folks being against cremation

since they figured that would hinder the eventual resurrection of the body which they believed would happen on the last day. (As if God would need skeletal remains to work a miraculous resurrection.) So maybe that's the woman's reasoning? Keep the body intact for the bodily resurrection? Or is there some other reason of which I'm unaware? Old Testament? Jeez if she's so sure it's against her religion, ya think she'd know why.

I sure don't recall any edict against organ donations and my experience was in a conservative Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod). But that was many years ago and who knows what she's getting now and from where.

[purr]

32. Orthodoxy..

I'm serbian orthodox and it is 'forbidden' to cremate. Never knew why but just understood that was a no-no.

[LostinVA]

47. The Catholic Church has allowed cremation for years

Yet another nutty thing cited by the SChlinder's against Michael Schiavo... (he cremated his wife).

[JVS]

99. That belief also played a role in why heretics were burned.

They didn't just want to kill you, they wanted to keep you from being able to be raised from the dead on the last day.

[pitohui]

31. yes, many christians can't donate organs

it isn't true of all christian sects of course, but i sure wouldn't expect to sign up a jehovah's witness or a christian scientist or any of several other sects for any organ donations any time soon

some christians believe in literal resurrection of the body, therefore when christ returns they would like to have all of their organs w. them, but i would say the major christian sects regard such literal belief as superstition, presumably god will provide us w. whole new bodies if he's going to the trouble to pull us out of the ground in the first place

you really have to ask your own rabbi, this is what i googled, sounds like it's ok for jews to donate but some are hesitant because they do feel it's against religious law:

Sadly, many members of the Jewish community have been reluctant to register as organ donors. Donor rates are markedly low in areas with predominantly Jewish populations. This is due in part to the misperception that Jewish law forbids organ donation. Perhaps the most decisive factor in this reluctance, however, has simply been the widespread aversion to any interference with the dead among most Jews. In general, this aversion reflects entirely appropriate devotion to venerable religious principle, and should be commended.

Kevod ha-met, the dignity and honor of the dead, is a weighty and cherished religious imperative. This is indicated by the designation given those charged with the religious task of attending the dead and preparing them for burial: Hevra Kadisha, the "Holy Society." Judaism teaches the sanctity of the human body as a reflection of the "Image of God" which is in every human being. This sanctity adheres to the body even after mortal life has ended.

It is precisely a sensitivity to such well-intentioned sentiments which characterizes the educational campaign undertaken jointly by the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism and the Rabbinical Assembly to register Conservative Jews as organ donors....

http://www.uscj.org/HealthMitzvah_of_Org5455.html

sorry to quote from a site w. conservative in the name but i don't know enough about religion to know if this has the same connotations as in politics, but i figure if it is a conservative view that a more progressive view would almost certainly allow you to donate organs if you wished

[LostinVA]

79. Christian Scientists can donate organs if they wish --

It's not prohibited.

[recoveringrepublican]

33. Was raised Lutheran and never heard of that am an organ donor. though

I have heard that Jews do not donate organs, something about being buried with everything. Could just be a myth I stupidly believe.

[Sequoia]

35. Bodies must be intact for Rapture.

Even the dead will rise.

[adarling]

48. lutherans don't believe in the rapture

in terms of what the crazies believe in, like those left behind books

[XemaSab]

81. My grandma does

:crazy:

She's opposed to cremation, but since she's had two knee replacements, and multiple glands (thyroid +ovaries) taken out, I dunno how she think she's going to get along at the rapture.

[0rganism]

65. Christmas is the time of year when the ghost of Jesus rises from the grave

... to feast upon the flesh of the living and we sing Christmas carols to lull him back to sleep." -- Peter Griffin/Family Guy

For some reason, your post reminded me of this, but I can't figure out why.

[Tesha]

104. "Even the dead will rise"

> Even the dead will rise.

Even if they don't smell too good. Hmm, maybe it'd be better if
they donated their noses before the resurrection of the dead.

Tesha

[Javaman]

36. You are right, she is a little nuts.

She's actively inserting fundi-ism into her religion. Actually, come to think of it, Baptists can donate, it's Jehova Witnesses that can't.

It's all so confusing, just donate and help people, it's that simple. OY VEY.

[LostinVA]

37. So is soooo wrong

I was raised RC, and was an organ donor, as is my Mom, etc.

The OT also tells you to sell your daughters and sleep with your brother's dead wife, and a bunch of other stuff.

I would love to see the citation...

[FlaGranny]

114. LostinVA, I think you

mean sleep with your dead brother's wife, not your brother's dead wife. That gave me a good chuckle. Necrophilia, anyone? :rofl:

[Warpy]

40. Your coworker is FOS

There may be a few sects like the JWs that are against it, and a few crazy little non affiliated churches that are against it, but there is no proscription against it anywhere in the bible, old or new testaments. Shoot, they didn't even dream of blood transfusions thousands of years ago, let alone popping hearts and kidneys out of cadavers to prolong the lives of desperately ill people.

Ask her how Christian it is to send her organs to the garbage rather than using them to heal the sick. Point out that healing the sick was one of Jesus's priorities, along with ending the death penalthy, giving generously to the poor, and ending the commercialization of his religion.

Why do so many people who profess to follow Jesus so desperately need to read that book they're always using to justify all the worst traits in human beings?

[Ian David]

43. Jews believe ANY law can be broken to save or protect human life.

If you're stranded on an island, starving to death and there is nothing to eat except oysters and wild pigs, you're allowed to eat them.

If you're diabetic, then you're not supposed to fast on Yom Kippur.

In fact, the first insulin treatments were derived from pigs, and you were allowed to use it even though pigs are not kosher.

If someone is trying to kill you or someone else, you're allowed to kill them in self-defense. Without that loop-hole to "Thou Shalt Not Kill," The Old Testament would be a very boring book to read.

And although there are still some Jews and other religious folks with an objection to organ donation, they are, strictly speaking, wrong.

Anyone who would be willing to receive an organ should damn well be willing to give one.

There can be no religious justification for refusing to save a life.

[Ron Green]

44. WRONG. A lady in a church where I grew up donated a 4-manual Aeolian

Skinner, cost her $50,000 in 1950's dollars too. I'm pretty sure she was a Christian, despite her obvious wealth.

[B3Nut]

63. Hahahahahaha!

I'm all for organ donation, and I'll gladly receive them, too....old tone-wheel Hammonds anyway. :D

Todd in Beerbratistan, Hammond B-3 pounder

[Ron Green]

73. I played with a B-3 guy in Denver in the '70s who found a 1958 mahogany

B-3 in absolutely mint condition sitting in a lady's parlor and played about twice a year, just enough to keep the wheels from gumming up. He bought it and used it in our rock band with 2 bi-amped Leslies, complete with a rotor brake he mounted on the front edge of the console. It was a screamin' rig.

[B3Nut]

109. Nothin' like that scream!

Can't beat an old Hammond....built back when "Made In USA" meant the best gear you could buy. My B-3 is a '63, bought new by my late great aunt. All but one of the preamp tubes are still original. They sure don't build machines like that anymore...

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Parche]

49. Krishtuns

They cant donate hearts, because they dont have any

[Pharlo]

67. I don't know about hearts, but people like this

sure as hell make me glad brains (or the gray mass some people use in lieu of brains) can't be transplanted.

Maybe that's a sign that God truly does exist. With all we are currently capable of medically, we can't transplant brains. I strongly suspect that that was the Intelligent part of Design --- Limiting the spread of such stupidity.

[Ian David]

50. Donate Life (I saw this group's literature at a Methodist Church)

It's even endorsed by Our Commander in Pope George W. Bush
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030402.html



Go to:
https://www.shareyourlife.org/Default.asp

For what it's worth, my "living will" says I'm willing to donate my organs and tissues on the condition they not be used for elective and cosmetic surgeries.

[XemaSab]

82. Even so-called elective and cosmetic surgeries can do great good

For example, my grandma had bad arthritis in her knees, so she had them replaced. It was "elective," but that was years ago and she's able to get around fine now. It doesn't involve organ donation, but it's the same idea. One could even argue that a cornea transplant is "elective."

The woman who had the face transplant, that's a "cosmetic" surgery, but I can't imagine what it would be like trying to live like looking like a monster. There are thousands of people who have been victims of burns, dogs, beatings, and other horrors who can't go out without scaring small children.

I don't really care what they do with my body when I am gone, as long as they don't embalm me. I want to think that I can still do good things after I am gone, and making people's lives better is part of that.

[Ian David]

90. Points all well-taken. n/t

[woodsprite]

51. IMO, God wouldn't have given us the science to accomplish

this if he hadn't wanted us to use it for good among his people. Of course, it could be used for good or bad (selling organs to the highest bidder or on the black market).

[benburch]

58. Stupidest thing I've heard lately.

Almost as stupid as the former co-worker who actually insisted that the world was 6000 years old.

[shugah]

59. get out before they start construction

on the wixom exit off 96! ;-)

[knitter4democracy]

60. Our church doesn't like it much, either.

The Eastern Orthodox canon laws say that our bodies need to be buried intact, which means no cremation or organ donation. I say, that's on the same level of importance as the canon laws that say I can't cut my hair or wear pants as a woman, and my husband and I are totally going to ignore them.

I've always wondered why those canon laws exist when so many Christian martyrs were burned or drawn and quartered and all sorts of things done to their bodies so they couldn't be buried intact. Doesn't make sense to me, and I doubt our priest would get all upset about it.

[Xenotime]

61. Why are you talking to that fundie anyway...

who care what she has to say.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

64. She should produce the scripture that says this. Otherwise, you could say

that the Old Testament requires you to drink a case of Budweiser every night, similarly producing no documentation of this.

[meganmonkey]

66. LOL at your P.S.

I grew up not far from there, I know what you mean :)

[wixomblues]

98. It's a heck of place.

Oy.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

68. Well, if the Old Testament says it,

then I will completely laugh my head off. Th old testament says a lot of stuff I don't look twice at.

:rofl::rofl:

[Road Scholar]

71. The Superintendent of the Pentecostal Holiness Church for

the whole state of Georgia has a kidney from a member of his congregation. The first transplant lasted for 20 years. It was from his sister. He is my Brother in Law. The PHC are strict disciplinarians to the Bible.:shrug:

[BiggJawn]

69. Gee, how many transplants were they doing in Herod's time, anyway?

Bo-Howdy, they REALLY fucked things up when the followers of Archbishop Cyril murdered Hypatia and burned the library at Alexandria...

All that advanced medical knowledge it took us almost 2,000 years to recover, gone!

Your co-worker, like most people who take what pastor tells them or what they see on Paul and Jan's show or the 700 Klub as Truth instead of reading it for themselves, is batshit.

[emdee]

74. I am a Christian and will be donating organs....

Never heard of such a rule. I've heard of people who want to donate and people who don't - but I've never heard anyone make the choice based on religion.
emdee

[Booster]

75. Reminds me of once my boss noticed my license stated I was a

donor, and he said you're going to get to the pearly gates and St. Peter is going to say "you gave away what?" He was joking of course, but it was funny.

[Raydawg1234]

76. Acoording To Christian beliefs, Jesus in a sense donated his body to

mankind.

[wixomblues]

80. Just got home...wow. Thanks for the resources.

Work is not alway a very DU friendly place. Plus, I ocassionally have to work a little. But, I can't wait to use this stuff tomorrow.

[BigBearJohn]

83. Two nuns I know personally are donating their brains for

research purposes when they die.

[Dob Bole]

84. I'm an organ donor. Oops.

Sorry, Jehovah. Didn't mean anything by giving my organs away...in the future!

[ryan_cats]

85. I'm a Christian and I'm an organ donor, (well not yet, I've got to die fir

I'm a Christian and I'm an organ donor, (well not yet, I've got to die first which is hopefully a ways off).

I wasn't aware the OT touched on organ donation. I seem to recall that Jehovah's Witnesses can't get a transfusion and the scripture they cite is in Leviticus though I've forgotten the passage.

[Tesha]

105. You don't have to die!

In one of the odder bits of medical trivia, it turns out that
you can donate up to something like a third of your liver and
live on, re-growing the missing liver tissue.

Kind'a adds a whole new spin to that old Monty Python skit
in "The Meaning of Life", ehh, ehh, nudge, nudge...

Tesha

[ryan_cats]

113. Wow, I'd heard of the living transplant

Wow, I'd heard of the living transplant but I'd never heard you regrow the missing tissue.

Here in Sacramento, a Fireman gave part of his liver to a local Catholic priest. That's pretty cool and one hell of a Christian gesture. I don't think I could do it.

[Tesha]

115. A reference...

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-6143.2004.00387.x?cookieSet=1

> Post-operatively, regeneration occurs rapidly in the recipient. Initial reports suggested that
> over 85% of hepatic volume was restored 1 week after transplantation (20). Based on MRI
> imaging of the abdomen, the left lobe increases in mass by 100% in the donor and the right
> lobe increases by 87% in the recipient but subsequent studies suggest regeneration continues
> over 6 months (21). Liver regeneration is rapid and may be affected by severity of liver disease
> prior to transplantation and type of reconstruction performed with the middle hepatic vein (21).

[kevinbgoode]

87. Oh puh-leeze. . .you know, in a free nation

you are entitled to worship as you choose. You abide by the interpretations of scripture that make sense to YOU - not a friend.

It might be nice if she doesn't believe in being an organ donor, but that doesn't apply to anyone but her.

[Solomon]

112. Best response in the entire thread.

[Hobo]

91. As a child growing up attending

Catholic grade school we were taught organ donation was wrong because when Jesus returns and we are resurrected we would need our bodies, one reason it took so long for the Catholic Church to allow cremation.

I'll tell you what a difference between Grade school and high school. The difference in what I was taught by the nuns and then the Franciscans was unbelievable! It was like it was two different religions.

Of course I am now a non practicing catholic.

Hobo

:toast:

[CrackpotAmerica]

92. Not True

My uncle is a Born Again Christian..

There are areas where we differ, but if you look at his license, it says "Organ Donor."

Believe it or not, and it gets hard to believe sometimes, but not all faithful Christians are buying the hard line....

Take your Mennonites, for example :)

[GreenPartyVoter]

93. I know some sects won't allow for cremation because God is supposed

to raise them bodily. Perhaps that feeds into this as well?

[zanne]

94. Same goes for my conservative Catholic sister....

I don't know the religious terminology for this, but she says that one day in the hereafter, her spirit and her body will become one again, and if she doesn't have a liver, she'll be in deep shit. I think it's hilarious, but apparently, it's something she worries about.

[Tesha]

106. Is she expecting to drink a lot in the hereafter?

> and if she doesn't have a liver, she'll be in deep shit.

Is she expecting to drink a lot in the hereafter? ;-)

Tesha

[triguy46]

95. What she should have said was that her sect doesn't allow it. n.t

[JVS]

97. I'm a Lutheran and have never heard of such a rule

Sounds more like the rules for Jehovah's Witnesses.

Even WELS, the most conservative Lutheran church body, says it's ok.

"Q: With the recent death of my father and my niece, my family was wondering where WELS stood is on organ donation.



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A: A Christian may donate his organs or those of a loved one. Organ donation is one way in which a Christian can be a good manager of the body and life God gives. This would be a unique way in which a Christian could prolong or improve the life of another. However, one must be cautious about giving the impression that a Christian is obligated to do so. Since God's Word does not speak to organ donation specifically, it falls into the area of our Christian freedom. For more information on organ donation from a Christian perspective, you might check out the web site for Christian Life Resources at www.ChristianLifeResources.com."

http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?1518&cuItem_itemID=763&cuTopic_topicID=26

[Cats Against Frist]

107. My mother

who hasn't seen a church service for 40 years, and who is no fundie, didn't want me to check the "whole body" box on my first DL. She is also firmly against my wishes to be cremated. And it all has to do with some Christian religious superstition something-or-other.

[Gemini Cat]

110. File this under *VOMIT*

People die everyday because of selfish people like her.
:puke: :mad:

[TahitiNut]

111. Ask her how she then got away with donating her brain.

:shrug: