Many Iraqis Believe "Suicide" Bombings Done By US To Start Civil War

[No Exit]

September 17, 2005

Many Iraqis believe ’suicide’ bombings done by US to start a civil war


Ali Ghazi, also a Shia from the Iraqi deep south. “I believe it is the Americans who are doing this, pretending it is the Sunni, so there will be a civil war and they can control our wealth.” Many survivors lying mangled by this morning’s bombs subscribed to a conspiracy theory according to which the US wants to rule Iraq by fomenting differences between Shia and Sunni…

Many of those wounded denied there would be a war between Shia and Sunni. Mohammed Abdul Karim, an injured Shia at Noman hospital, pointed out that he was in a Sunni district and the Sunni doctors were doing everything to help him.

Context:
In the ’90s, (US hand-picked interim PM) Ayad Allawi helped the CIA bomb civilians to destabilize Saddam. Source: Democracy Now

(snip)

http://benfrank.net/blog/2005/09/17/suicide_bombers/

Those silly Iraqis! It's not the U.S.--it's the British!

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=16172

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Many of us do too.

Ever wonder why they never ID anyone or ever bring anyone to justice who is involved in helping these bombers?

[FloridaPat]

2. Conspiracy theory? One Brit & one US soldier has been caught

each with a car filled with explosives. I think this is beyond the "conspiracy theory" stage.

[No Exit]

17. Yeah. Never mind!

The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld-dominated U.S. would NEVER do or condone anything underhanded, or pretend that an enemy was Person A when the real enemy was Person B. They would never lie to us or to the Iraqis. And they would certainly never help along an Iraqi civil war just to hold onto/increase their own power.

Nor would they invade a country under false pretenses. Oops, scratch that last one--they DID do that...

[ProdigalJunkMail]

3. what on earth would the US and Britain gain

by starting a civil war in Iraq?

subjectProdigal

[Enraged_Ape]

4. The Bush Administration makes BILLIONS off chaos

Civil War = More years of plundering of the National Treasury to further fatten Halliburton and Blackwater and every other war profiteer involved in this fiasco.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

5. i thought the point was to seize the oil

and a civil war doesn't really facilitate that. Or that the point was to control the mideast...and a civil war doesn't allow for that either...

subjectProdigal

[Enraged_Ape]

7. The point is to move millions from the US Treasury into Dick Cheney's

pockets, and billions more into the coffers of Halliburton and other no-bid contractors. Any oil gotten out of the country is icing on the cake. Actually, Halliburton even wins if the oil wells get blown up, because we pay them to "fix" them.

Win-win for everyone involved...unless you're Iraqi, or an American citizen who is not profiting from this outrage.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

8. but that doesn't support the long term

goals of the PNAC folks...

subjectProdigal

[Enraged_Ape]

9. I don't think this administration is concerned about the long term

Maybe they were at first, before the war in Iraq (planned originally to be a cakewalk) turned into such a giant Charlie Foxtrot, scotching the PNAC plans for further wars of empire. Now you're just looking at a giant smash-and-grab robbery, the biggest in world history. The PNACers aren't complaining because they're making out like bandits off of it regardless.

[No Exit]

21. Ever heard of "divide and conquer"?

[Inland]

27. More bodies from which to harvest organs!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5549835

[On the Road]

36. Actually, If It's True, I Suspect the Reason

would be make the insurgents lose popular support by framing them as mass murderers of Iraqi civilians.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. I tend to agree. I also think the U.S. is involved in the kidnappings..

I recall one kidnapping video where the "kidnappers" just didn't look "quite right." Their "military" stance, their mannerisms and their stature.....something was "off" and IMCPO, it was because they were US employees.

[Wind Dancer]

25. I hope and pray their lives are spared!

There are too many innocent people that have died as a result of our occupation.

[No Exit]

35. Then you're Christian in spirit--you ol' "liberal", you!

Because no matter what your personal religion or beliefs, you clearly act in a loving manner.

But while you (eevil soulless liberal--that's what you, like me, must be, if you are on DU!) are sincerely praying that these people are spared, the "good Christians" like The Addict Rush Limbaugh are saying, "There's a part of me that is glad they are being held hostage".

Ain't that great. The irony is so big, and so wide, it's as visible as the sky. But still, still, still, the Holy Ones can't see it.

[Wind Dancer]

37. LOL, you are kind!

It's hard to believe Rush and his ilk are allowed to make such outrageous statements.

This evil liberal has such admiration for those brave souls willing to put their lives at risk promoting peace. They deserve freedom in order to continue their work for those who desperately need them.

The "fundies" use Christ for greed, money and power. He'd be crucified today by Falwell, Dobson and the rest of them - the more things change, the more they remain the same.

[No Exit]

39. This reminds me of something I read yesterday or so

It was about the Cold War, and the propaganda to which Americans were subjected. I remember reading a quote from one intellectual (or politician, or somebody who wanted to influence public affairs) in which they warned that socialism must be combatted, b/c (among other things) it promoted some Christian ideas. The writer clearly wasn't against Christianity per se--he was just against carrying it too far, such as doing all those crazy extreme things like putting love for one's neighbor above lust for profit.

[No Exit]

34. I think that was Nick Berg, wasn't it?

One of the hooded "terrorists" wore a gold wedding ring (which is never done by Arab or Iraqi men); some of them had rather wide waistlines (if that isn't a telling sign that someone is American rather than Arab or Iraqi, I don't know what is.) And then, they were kind of... tall.

Nick Berg--whose father is big in ANSWER.

And what was the name of that British-born woman who'd been living in Iraq for some 20 years, and who was highly regarded by the Iraqis, but who was kidnapped and killed by "terrorists"?

Berg and this woman--their deaths did NOT benefit Iraqis or Arabs. It's important that whenever these things happen, we first ask "Cui bono?" (who benefits?) before we swallow the official story that they were killed by "barbaric Arabs or Iraqis."

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. YES. It was the Nick Berg video. Those men were NOT Iraqis.

All the characteristics you named are the ones I saw too. I wonder If his dad saw what we saw? Did he ever watch that video? Man, I don't think I could EVER watch my child being beheaded. Did he watch any of that video? If so, he knows the truth.

[zbdent]

10. Get your commemorative, gen-yoo-ine Iraqi tinfoil hat now!

Of course, they called Michael Moore a tinfoil hatter when he said that the Bushistas flew Osama bin Laden's family out of the US right after the attacks on 9/11/2001 . . . but had to admit that he was right . . .

[No Exit]

18. Seeds of doubt

Could it be that, after seeing for themselves the PROVEN LIES the Bush/Cheney government told the American people about the reasons for invading Iraq, a few people might be finally waking up and realizing that NO DECEPTION is beneath these guys?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

11. Say what?

so there will be a civil war and they can control our wealth.

How does that work, exactly?

[400Years]

13. If they are fighting each other

that keeps then less focused on fighting the occupation. Not that complex, yib.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. If the wealth of Iraq is oil...

...and oil extraction isn't working, then you don't get the wealth. There's no way you could bring that capacity online if it's threatened by internal disturbances, let alone a civil war. This is extremely convoluted "logic."

[No Exit]

20. It's called "divide and conquer"

[Vidar]

12. At least some of them are. Think the Brits got caught at this too.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

16. Oh really?

A brit got caught attempting to detonate a suicide bomb?

[No Exit]

19. No--two Brits

It wasn't necessarily a suicide mission, but after all, there are some cultural differences btw real "Arab terrorists" and fake western terrorists posing as Arab terrorists.

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=16172

"Now it transpires that two British soldiers were dressed as Arabs and attacking the Iraqi security forces in Basra? And the British authorities have admitted they were members of the SAS? They were caught after shooting at and murdering an Iraqi police official and their car was found to be packed with explosives and a C4 detonator?

Or is it that the two troops were in fact undercover agents dressed as Sadrists, Al-Sadr's Mahdi army, trying to stir up a war in Iraq between rival anti-occupation forces to help the beleaguered Iraqi security forces to stay in control as events spiral ever downwards? Is it that they were planning a massive bomb attack against Shia targets, to blame on the Sunni?"

[Vidar]

43. Thanks for the reference--couldn't remember where I found it.

[goodhue]

15. Many Iraqis may be right

[newspeak]

22. Bingo! Divide and conquer

Need to look at British history, especially India. They could be using the same tactics the British used to set two opponents against one another, weaken both, then take them over. The war profiteers have been reaping profits from chaos, death and destruction for awhile. Remember the Iraq and Iran War? That war weakened both countries at the time--I remember reading an article at the time, where women in Iran were being trained for war--in a Middle Eastern country that means that desperate measures were being initiated for desperate times. However, this is not the nineteenth century and civilians in those countries could catch on. And, if they find positive proof that is happening--I'd say, watch out!!! We'll see a united front that the PNAC has not anticipated.

[Cults4Bush]

23. and theres its fifth! K&R'd n/t

[BamaBecky]

24. Just as they have us divided also!

I sure wouldn't put it past "THEM" (THE SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT cabal)to be helping fund ALL THE INSURGENCY - making money hand over fist - over ALL the shooting and bombing going on over there -

Bama

[Balbus]

26. Damn, I'd hate to have that job! eom

[rman]

28. They're probably correct

"the US wants to rule Iraq"

You don't say.

"by fomenting differences between Shia and Sunni"

A certain type of politician has no qualms whatsoever about that sort of thing.

[iconoclastNYC]

29. Why they fuck don't they go to a federal system?

Have three states with automous local control with the national government having very little power. Woudln't this be the best thing?

[newspeak]

30. our government is calling all of the shots

who is going to allow that to happen? Chalabi and Allawi are puppets to the US government--the people of Iraq, like us, have little say into what the government is doing in our name!

[DistressedAmerican]

32. I Suggested That Once And DUers Attacked Me Heavily.

A whole bunch of folks went off on me for even suggesting such a thing. One even called me an imperialist for suggesting we let the Iraqi's decide if they want to preserve the territorial entity called Iraq. I really could not believe it. It was the stupidest reaction I have EVER gotten to a thread I have posted here. Totally ridiculous.

Regional autonomy with split oil profits is the best chance to reduce hostilities if you ask me. But, without asking the Iraqi's, we decided long ago that "preserving the territorial integrity of Iraq" was a major US goal. At the time, I guess it was a major DU goal as well.

I'll go look and see if I can find a link. Is was quite a while back (a year or so). Sometimes I have to laugh at the way DUers react to stuff. Seemed like basic common sense to me. But, I was getting flamed from all sides for the suggestion.

Maybe folks are ready to listen now.:shrug:

[ClayZ]

31. Training them, huh? Psy-Ops!

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. The CIA do things like that?? Naaah. They're all nice humanitarians.

Just ask the Chileans, Congolese, Vietnamese, Guatamalans, Camobodians, Angolans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans...and all the other peoples they have "helped" into their graves.

[On the Road]

38. In "The Quiet American", Which Takes Place in the Early Days of Vietnam,

there's a plot element involving the CIA planting explosives in Saigon and attributing them to the communists.

I'm not sure if it's historical, but if so it would be a precedent.

[No Exit]

40. Well, I'll be darned

If someone had that idea, and wrote about that idea, the someone must've gotten the idea from somewhere. Perhaps from real knowledge of black ops and false flag tactics.

I mean, during Clinton's agony (bombing while the impeachment was going on), the movie "Wag the Dog" became popular. No one claimed that "Wag the Dog" was historical, but its plot was considered plausible. Probably b/c its plot was based in reality, perhaps a reality that we (who are not spy-group insiders) just don't happen to have seen firsthand.

[Enraged_Ape]

41. Graham Greene wrote "The Quiet American"...

and, like Ian Fleming and John Le Carré, he had more than a few connections to the intelligence community at the time.

There is no small coincidence why writings about the subterfuge during the war Vietnam should resemble those during the war in Iraq. We're reading from the exact same playbook. Like the book of Ecclesiastes says, there is nothing new under the sun.

[No Exit]

42. Right--and truth really is stranger than fiction.

[sojourner]

45. what? the iraqis don't trust the american government???? shocking!

:sarcasm: