Air Marshals did NOT hear Alpizar say the word BOMB

[leftstreet]

The Corporate Media claimed Alpizar said "bomb," but AMS officials NEVER made that claim. Instead the two air marshals apparently got a "sense that" he had a bomb. The power of the Corp Media to shape perceptions and create talking points is astounding.
:eyes:

James Bauer, the special agent in charge of federal air marshals in Miami gave this statement on Wednesday:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/july-dec05/miami_12-7.html

JAMES BAUER: At approximately 2:10 this afternoon, American Airlines Flight 924 was boarding at Gate D.-42 -- it was in the boarding process. An individual later tentatively identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, age 44, was boarding that aircraft as well.

At some point, he uttered threatening words that included a sense that, in fact, that he had a bomb. There were federal air marshals on board the aircraft. They came out of their cover, confronted him, and he remained noncompliant with their instructions.

As he was attempting to evade them, his actions caused the FAM's to fire shots and, in fact, he is deceased.

The Miami-Dade Police Department responded to this event and in fact are conducting the shooting investigation.

The FBI also responded to this, and a crime was committed aboard an American carrier aircraft and they have jurisdiction in that matter, and to see whether or not there's a nexus to terrorism.

[merwin]

1. The media was told that he had said he had a bomb. That was the

first report that came in, most likely from law enforcement. IMO, this on is not the media's fault.

With a story like this, you print any info that you get about the situation as it develops, and that was what they got. Apparently EVERY news source got that information, because that's what they all were reporting.

[leftstreet]

3. And every news source has the power to correct that initial report

But they won't.

[G_j]

17. that is exactly what happened in NO

with those endless horror stories of rape etc.
Most every one of the worst stories turned out to be unverifiable.
Of course then many in the public had already formed their perceptions.

[Supersedeas]

40. well the media now has an obligation to correct the record...WILL THEY?

[Erika]

2. So there was no mention of a bomb and he was shot dead

I flew with a dear friend who knocked a few other passengers out of the way when we landed so she could have a cigarette before the next leg of the flight.

She would probably be a prime target today for the over-reactionaries. The sheeple have let OBL dictate a profound change in our freedoms.

[leftstreet]

5. Whatever he said, it led them to believe he had a bomb

I'm not making a case for or against their reaction. It just drives me nuts that the talking point has now become whether or not passengers actually heard him say bomb. When the air marshals themselves didn't even hear the word bomb.

[seabeyond]

32. if the man has an anxiety attack and is heard to say, i feel like i am

going to explode. i gotta get out of hear. and they interpret that as he has a bomb.......

must we tread so lightly when walking into an airport, for fear of our life. because, in that kind of an environment more people are going to be having this feeling.......

you odnt know what the man said. nor do i. i do know, people that have the power of my life and death, take my life pretty lightly. that causes me to be wary of them. i am not so afraid of my fellow passenger. well, i wasnt. but now, as we feed this, the people are going to get more and more scary. what happens with caged animals.

[leftstreet]

59. Agree. He could have said anything.

[bettyellen]

46. then, why don't they quote the dead man?

why did they give the media the wrong impression and continue to evade answering as to what his words were?

[leftstreet]

58. Unless a witness saw the shooting - we'll never know

And I agree - why not quote exactly what the man said?

[bettyellen]

62. this "sense of bomb" stuff sounds like they can retrofit pretty much

anything overheard at all and stretch it into something hang the fella with.
i'm guessing that's the plan. it'll be interesting to see what they come up with.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

4. One thing I noticed was no direct quote with "bomb" in it.

Always with a story like this they say something like,
"He said, "I got a bomb and I'll blow you all to hell,"
or if it's a bank robber, "He said, "I have a gun, put
all the money in this bag." Not once have I seen a direct quote
from him re the "bomb". If there was one, I believe we would
have heard it by now.

[Spazito]

7. CNN has a direct quote from an representative from the Federal

Marshal Service:

"Dave Adams, a spokesman for the Federal Air Marshal Service, said Alpizar had run up and down the plane's aisle yelling, "I have a bomb in my bag."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/08/airplane.gunshot/index.html


It seems if there is confusion about the 'bomb' issue, it is not the media causing it but various officials giving different versions.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

9. Thanks for that.

Now to connect it to a marshal on site.

Oh, wait a minuite, "up and down the plane's aisle
yelling, "I have a bomb in my bag."

There must be a number of passengers who heard it then.
Must be. Adams also said 2-3 shots. Two passengers I heard
said 5 shots & 6 shots.

[Spazito]

10. No passengers have come forward to affirm the marshal's

contention but, rather, at least two have come forward to say the DID not hear the passenger say anthing about a bomb. It does seem the AMS is saying two different things, on the one hand a rep is actually quoting the man and the other is saying the man did not actually say 'bomb'. I would say the confusion is more on the AMS side than on the passengers or media's side.

[0rganism]

15. Could the "extra shots" have been echos?

If the execution took place in the causeway and the terminal door was shut, that would be a prime location for a slapback reverberation. It could have sounded like extra shots to someone in the plane, like so.

            ---+BB+---  <-- terminal
\              |^v|      
 \             |Xv|
  \            |^v|   
   \           |^v|
    `===========A ====   <--plane
   ( (  ( (  ( (
 Y 1 1e 2 2e 3 3e       <-- sound waves

Gun is fired by air marshall at A, bullet 1 impacts suspect at X, shockwave from firing hits the door at B at about the same time it reaches passenger Y, echo bounces back and is heard by Y at 1e, then A fires again, and so on.

[Elidor]

30. "Up and down the plane's aisle..."

That sounds like a bunch of shit, doesn't it? I haven't heard anyone claim that after making his way forward, he turned around and ran back before returning to the front. This spokesman is pulling this stuff out of his ass.

[Critters2]

71. The msot reliable reports

say he was trying to get off the plane. If he had a bomb, why would he want off the plane? I mean, if you're going to blow up a plane, you need to have the bomb on the plane? Right? I mean, I'm no expert, but that would seem like how you'd do it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

66. None of the passengers interviewed so far heard the word "bomb".

[TahitiNut]

27. "Alpizar had run up and down the plane's aisle YELLING"

It's an outright falsehood - clearly so from two passengers stating with certainty they never heard the word 'bomb' or anything like it.

"up and down the aisle"

"yelling"

This is, on the very face of it, a clearly egregious attempt to create a false perception. Mr. Adams, or the perons on whom he relied, was deliberately LYING. There is no other possible explanation.

[Spazito]

28. Agreed, it seems the 'confusion' lies with the FMS given

three spokespersons have each given a different account of the 'bomb' issue. One says he said he had a bomb, one says he said he was going to blow up the plane but didn't mention a bomb and yet another says he said threatening words that gave the marshal a 'sense' he had a bomb. Passenger witnesses have said they heard nothing of the sort from the man. NO passenger has come forward to affirm the marshal's version regarding a 'bomb' or anything close to it.

[The Stranger]

50. That is from a "SPOKESMAN."

[Spazito]

51. Yes, from the Air Marshals Service

He, unfortunately, is one of at least three, all of whom have a different version of the 'bomb' issue. One would think that, if anyone would have the facts, it would be the AMS yet it seems not. I wonder why?

[niyad]

6. are any of those people capable of making a simple, declarative

sentence that does not sound like deliberate misdirection and obfuscation?

[etherealtruth]

35. No (IMO) n/t

[Spazito]

8. It seems at least one AMS official said exactly that and is

quoted by CNN:

"Dave Adams, a spokesman for the Federal Air Marshal Service, said Alpizar had run up and down the plane's aisle yelling, "I have a bomb in my bag."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/08/airplane.gunshot/index.html

It seems it is not the media that is confused but the officials who are giving out different versions.

[Erika]

11. There has been No passengers who heard a bomb comment

Not one. The guy was a steady worker and married to the same woman for 22 years. His neighbors said he was a nice guy. The feds shoot him dead for running off an airplane?

Show me where that is a crime or national security violation?

[leftstreet]

14. So the AMS spokesman has a different story than the agent in charge

Go figure.

Thanks for the link.

[zbdent]

16. So why hasn't any other passengers made similar statements

that there was some idiot running up and down the aisle yelling?

Even I notice when there's a few people just standing in line waiting to use the bathroom . . .

[NNN0LHI]

12. La Bamba? n/t

[Lex]

13. You've got it! He was merely singing a song!

Horrible mistake.

[Neil Lisst]

18. The feds know the first story that goes out STICKS forever

It's just like the UK did with the London guy who was absolutely blameless. They tell the story they want to have believed, then fan it as much as they can, then admit they mischaracterized as they are forced to back off the story.

If THIS government is telling you, don't believe it.

[soothsayer]

19. Remember all the misinformation with that London dude they shot?

That was even more elaborately wrong than this simple canard.

[goodhue]

20. a sense of a bomb

not sure what that means

[Spazito]

21. Same here! How does one get a 'sense' of a bomb and, as well,

does having a 'sense' of a bomb, whatever that means, necessitate shooting someone? If so, yikes!

[goodhue]

22. Yes, it is pretty scary

A person with a backpack acting crazy on a airplane provides the "sense" of a bomb necessitating lethal action by law enforcement? I'm not convinced acting crazy on plane is a very good profile of a terrorist or bomber.

[Spazito]

23. I have seen people who have had too much alcohol on a plane

act and speak very agressively, does this mean that they, too, can be shot at will as opposed to being restrained or calmed down as used to happen?

[craychek]

24. oy!

Come on people get some fucking perspective. Guy acting very suspiciously on a plane, starts acting like he has a bomb and making threats to everyone. When air marshals try to question him he runs, when he gets into the crowded terminal they yell for him to stop and he reaches for his bag... if you were part of the security detail do you:

a) yell at him again to stop even though it hasn't worked yet
b) let him go into his bag
c) try to run up and tackle him before he gets into his bag even though he's several yards away
d) shot him because of how he acted before and that might be reaching to detonate a bomb in a crowded terminal...

oh and you only have about a second to decide

with the way the guy was acting, the threats he made and his flight from security personel, security did the right thing by taking the shot. They could not have known he was mentally unstable, had not been taking medication, and did not have a bomb on his person. With all the information they had available to them, they made the right call. Imagine for a second that this guy did the same thing, except he really did have a bomb, and the security people decided not to shoot. What would you be saying then about the security poeple then who hesitated and cost a dozen people their lives.

Please, just think for a second and realize that hindsight is 20/20 At the time they security poeple made the right call

[goodhue]

25. Nice story, but it seems the facts are not as you describe . . .

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-planefolo0905dec09,0,3421926.story?page=2&coll=orl-home-headlines

Seven passengers interviewed by the Orlando Sentinel -- seated in both the front and rear of the main passenger cabin -- said Alpizar was silent as he ran past them on his way to the exit. One thought he had taken the wrong flight. Another thought he was going to throw up.

"I can tell you, he never said a thing in that airplane. He never called out he had a bomb," said Orlando architect Jorge A. Borrelli, who helped comfort Alpizar's wife after the gunfire. "He never said a word from the point he passed me at Row 9. . . . He did not say a word to anybody."

Two teens seated in Row 26 agreed. So did Jorge Figueroa, a power-plant operator from Lakeland seated a few rows behind first class.

"He wasn't saying anything; he was just running," Figueroa said. "I said to myself, 'It is probably a person who took the wrong plane.' "

Wife tried to explain

What Alpizar's fellow passengers did hear were the desperate explanations from Buechner, Alpizar's wife, who at first seemed embarrassed by her husband's hasty exit. She started to follow him off the plane, saying, "He's sick. He needs to get off the plane," witnesses said.

[goodhue]

90. .

[newspeak]

26. oh yeah

and the passengers on the plane treated like common criminals and some initimidated? One passenger having a gun put to his head and his cell phone slapped out of his hand. All of the passengers taken off the plane with their hands on their heads. I've seen pictures of a group of people with their hands on their heads-hmm, let me guess--it was in Poland and I believe it was Germans herding them. You know, this reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode, maybe some remember, where the neighborhood is isolated and the electricity goes off, then on again in certain houses--where once friendly neighbors start turning on one another because their fear turns to suspicion--next thing, they're killing one another and running around wreaking havoc and the aliens are watching them, waiting to take them over. FEAR, FEAR, FEAR makes us accept what is happening to us and others, no matter how horrific, and makes us lock step to those who are creating the fear.

[seabeyond]

33. why doesn't the fact his wife was there, giving information to marshals

totally escape your retelling of the event.

[Mechatanketra]

44. Give me a f***ing break, Mr. Strawman.

Come on people get some fucking perspective. Guy acting very suspiciously on a plane, starts acting like he has a bomb and making threats to everyone.

Buddy, there's three ways to "act like you have a bomb".
1) Beep audibly in regularly timed intervals.
2) Stand up and yell out "I have a bomb!"
3) Open your coat or bag, and pull out a bomb.

In all other ways, people with bombs act exactly like people without bombs.

Imagine for a second that this guy did the same thing, except he really did have a bomb, and the security people decided not to shoot. What would you be saying then about the security poeple then who hesitated and cost a dozen people their lives. Please, just think for a second and realize that hindsight is 20/20 {sic} At the time they {sic} security poeple {sic} made the right call.

And what if instead of a bomb he had a DRAGON shrunk down with Pym particles that could expand to 200' tall? Why, they would be saving the WHOLE CITY from destruction! Hell yes, take the shot!

Please. This is the same bogus crap that the torture monkeys pull out when they start their "oh, what if there was a bomb in the city" routine, or that supporters of Dem-hawks use in justifying war votes ("Oh, but what if there HAD been WMDs and we voted against IWR?") -- trying to count paranoid fantasies as if they were equal in weight to the facts on the ground.

Try thinking for more than a second: the facts here was that there was no bomb, and quite likely, there were no threats either; in the absence of a credible bomb threat ("credible bomb threat" pretty much being what I outlined above), we're down to a man being executed without trial for the crime of getting scared on a plane. The right call for law enforcement is the one that reduces the chances of innocents getting injured or killed; this call clearly did not do that, precisely because the chance of the situation in which this -- shooting on an individual who has not already become violent or displayed any weapons, indeed who has done nothing but flee from what isn't even a crime scene except for his attempt to flee -- would have been "the right call" are astronomically thin. To be charitable.

Postscript: "what if" cuts both ways. Maybe he had a bomb. Maybe he had a deadman switch, too. Boom. "Shoot to kill" isn't necessarily any safer than "shoot to wound" in a bomb scenario ...)

[SidDithers]

49. Great post...

I especially liked the dragon part :toast:

Sid

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

52. A funny, yet highly intelligent post...Reccomended reading!

I have followed this story closely, and was amazed that the first report sounded like they had cut and pasted the procedure from the training book right into the statements about what happened.????

...with repeated demands for compliance before using force. Sure.

And then, for good measure, they destroyed his bags. IMO...This is nuts!

[bettyellen]

47. except your "story" has been debunked by many passengers, LOL. Nice try .

[Critters2]

67. According to the story in the Tribune

more than one passenger said he ran out of the plane, but never said ANYTHING! Nothing about a bomb, nothing threatening, NOTHING. The passengers interviewed for the story said he just ran off the plane. One thought he must have been on the wrong plane. Another thought he was going to throw up. another quotes his wife as saying "He's sick. He needs to get off the plane." The passengers never saw him as a threat, weren't panicked or frightened.

Maybe they should be recruited as Air Marshalls.

[Tactical Progressive]

88. I love how the people who are most wrong

are so often the most snide. "Come on people get some fucking perspective."

It's you that has not a single fact right in your post. Not one single one out of about eight tries.

Fucking perspective indeed.

[mmonk]

29. I sure hope they never sense

I have one.

[mattclearing]

31. They are backpedaling because they are caught in a lie.

Don't believe it.

[Quixote1818]

89. That is an old article. It's one of the first to come out. nt

[Bandit]

34. My local paper says he thought there was a bomb on board

and ran from the airplane fearing for his life... He was convinced there was a bomb onboard, but did not say he had a bomb...

[Critters2]

68. Neither the Tribune nor the Orlando Sentinel

say that

[ananda]

36. So.. we shoot people on the sense that..

.. they have a bomb or a weapon?

That's rich.

[Gregorian]

38. Preemtive death penalty.

(I'm so down today. A bunch of bright British kids made it painfully obvious to me where this country is, with respect to intelligence. We are in the dark. Right where the fascists want us. I know, it's hystrionics. But we are sheep awaiting whatever comes our way. Out of control. /rant)

[Us vs Them]

37. If he REALLY did claim to have a bomb

ANYONE who heard such a thing would be more than eager to come forward and report it.

Try to place yourself in such a position. "Bomb? Did he just say bomb??" "What? Someone has a bomb?" That shit would be all anyone could talk about. The FBI wouldn't even have to ask the question.

However, this is not the case. You have multiple witnesses in various parts of the aircraft now publicly claiming the opposite. You also have a very suspicious FBI mode of questioning that could be considered potentially leading.

Evidence points to a trigger-happy accident.

[drm604]

39. What I think is happening

is that they are now changing the story because witnesses, rather than corroborating it, are contradicting it. So now they're saying "oh no no no, we never claimed he actually said the word 'bomb'", when in fact they did claim exactly that.

This has been a common pattern in these kinds of news stories. They try to put out a version of truth that is as friendly to them as possible then, when it becomes untenable they back off (as little as possible) and claim that they were misunderstood.

Here's the scary thing about this - how many lies have they told us that haven't been contradicted and that they didn't back off from?

[Exiled in America]

41. "don't come any closer or I'll blow this fucking airport away"

is close enough...

In other words, we need to know what he said. Just because he didn't say the words "I" "have" "a" "bomb" doesn't mean he didn't effectively say "I have a bomb."

[Spazito]

42. Well, one would think the AMS reps would know what he said

yet three different reps have three different versions of what he said or didn't say. One says the man said he had a bomb, another said he said he was going to blow up the plane (no mention of him saying 'bomb') and a third says the man said threatening words (no quoting of what those words were) and the marshal 'sensed' he had a bomb.

The very fact that the official version keeps changing to try and address the testimony of witnesses who dispute that the man said anything like a threat leaves one to suspect a cover-up was and continues to be underway, imo.

[Exiled in America]

56. Maybe, though I don't remember the last time where an official version ...

...was consistent. Ever. There are clearly questions that need answered.

[Warren Stupidity]

43. You are just retrofitting your position here.

As more and more bad news comes out you are going to just dig yourself in deeper and deeper. Need a shovel?

It is ok to say 'I got it wrong'.

[Exiled in America]

54. Umm, what are you talking about?

I don't yet have a "position" just asking questions.

As you made valid points I acknowledged them - so there's no need to be a dick.

[Warren Stupidity]

57. You invented a new threatening statement

that the dead man could have said -
"don't come any closer or I'll blow this fucking airport away"
to fit the rather obvious at this point conclusion that he did not say he had a bomb without the slightest indication that he made any such statement.

Meanwhile, while you are inventing new stories to fit your carefully unstated position, you are equally carefully holding to the 'not enough information' position.

We actually now know two very important facts:
the dead man did not have a bomb.
the official story first put out around the incident was bullshit.

Why would officials lie in a situation like this?

[Exiled in America]

74. No, my point was this:

That I don't know what "making threatening statements" means. Does mean a statement that basically translates into "I have a bomb?" Or were they statements that something much less? If it turns out the guy said something like "I am going to blow this airport to fucking mars" then it really isn't that big of a deal that he didn't say the literal words "I have a bomb."

I wasn't making something up, I was giving a hypothetical example of a scenario in which a person might not say literally "I have a bomb" and still effectively say that.

On the other hand, is the claim that he was making "threatening statements" a complete lie to cover up something else? I don't know, but in the rush to conclusion that some people are making we shouldn't forget the ammount of stuff we don't know or start acting like we "know" certain things are true when we don't.

Your question "why would officials lie in a situtation like this" is a fair one, which is why an investigation is good. I am eager to get to the bottom of things, the only difference is, I don't assume that I am there now.

There is really absolutely no reason for your hostile attitude. It's not wrong to keep an open mind. Sorry I'm not marching in lockstep with you here, but when you make good points I've acknolwedged them every time. It's very possible this was a case of colossal misconduct which is trying to be covered up. Or, maybe not. We'll continue to see, geeze.

[Critters2]

69. Witnesses

say he didn't say anything. At all.

You think that confused the Homeland Security guys?

[Exiled in America]

77. One witness, as far as I know

Is that not correct?

[goodhue]

78. Not correct.

It was reported as seven witnesses this morning, and I'm not sure that counts the latest . . .

[Exiled in America]

80. Thanks - that makes a big difference.

Corroberation makes my ears perk up a lot more.

[goodhue]

81. No problem

Here is link to story Orlando Sentinel story that notes seven witnesses . . .

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-planefolo0905dec09,0,3421926.story?coll=orl-home-headlines

"Seven passengers interviewed by the Orlando Sentinel -- seated in both the front and rear of the main passenger cabin -- said Alpizar was silent as he ran past them on his way to the exit. One thought he had taken the wrong flight. Another thought he was going to throw up."

Also this must read AP account quotes witnesses Alan Tirpak, John McAlhany & Mary Gardner . . .

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3514066.html

And here is more from witness Jorge Borelli . . . http://www.wftv.com/news/5503137/detail.html

[LandOLincoln]

83. Has anyone interviewed the first class passengers?

I thought there were at least a couple of people in first class who said they had heard him say something about a bomb...?

On edit: I see the flight attendant who was trying to prevent him from exiting the plane says he told her he had a bomb. That would be consistent with the accounts yesterday that first class passengers heard him say he had a bomb; they would have heard what he said to the flight attendant.

Please note that all 7 witnesses who agree he didn't say anything were in the main passenger cabin, and not in a position to witness or hear anything that happened in the front of the plane.

[goodhue]

84. Jorge Borelli was in the ninth row.

eom

[ClayZ]

45. Were the Air Marshals "hearing voices" (Schizophrenic)

:crazy: :crazy:

[bettyellen]

48. having panic attacks too, but they are the Govt, so they are allowed

to make huge mistakes and not explain. hey, we have a dead guy and his shell shocked wife to blame. isn't that special.

[unblock]

53. in a sense, ya gotta wonder who are the crazies in this whole story

the guy who got killed thought there was a bomb when there was no bomb.

the guys who killed him also thought there was a bomb when there was no bomb.

so who's crazy here?

[Spazito]

55. I haven't seen anything concrete that says the man thought

there was a bomb nor any passenger witnesses that say he mentioned a bomb at all. Did I miss something?

[goodhue]

60. Only what Lonny Glover attributed to one unnamed flight attendant . . .

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-08-marshals-defense_x.htm

Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, made the bomb threat after a flight attendant blocked him from exiting Flight 924 just minutes before the plane was scheduled to leave for Orlando, said Lonny Glover, national safety coordinator for the Association of Professional Flight Attendants.

"As the man came forward it was obvious that he was upset," Glover said. "That's when one of our attendants at the front of plane told him, 'Sir, you can't leave the plane.' His response, she said, was 'I have a bomb.' It was at that point that the air marshals gave up their cover and pursued him out the door and up the jetbridge."

[Thorandmjolnir]

61. which contradicts the new version

Which is that the bomb statement was made n the gangway so only the AMs heard it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

64. One flight attendant vs seven passengers who heard nothing of the kind.

[azmesa207]

63. Marshals did not hear the word Bomb

It does not matter weather he said bomb or not Marshals are trained
to shoot to kill in a situation like this .

[Media_Lies_Daily]

65. Great! That'll teach those people with a legitimate medical condition!...

What a load of crap.

[Critters2]

70. A situation like what?!!!

Let me get this straight....Air Marshalls are trained to shoot sick people trying to get off planes? And that's okay with you?!

[K-W]

73. So we train our air marshalls to shoot innocent people?

That makes me feel MUCH better.

[chat_noir]

72. Local Man Tells Different Story About Shooting At Miami Airport

A Central Florida man is trying to set the record straight. He said that Rigoberto Alpizar never shouted that he had a bomb. In fact, he said, he didn't say anything. The local traveler heard and saw the whole thing unfold and doesn't like how it's been depicted.

"I saw the air marshal with his gun, in the doorway, halfway in the plane, halfway out and he kept scanning the plane as well," Jorge Borelli said.

He had a great view of the air marshal on the aisle, nine rows back.

"He appeared very agitated and very nervous. He was obviously one of the air marshal's that shot the gentleman," Borelli said.

The Winter Park architect, whose profession requires attention to detail, doesn't like how some have taken liberty with what really happened on board Flight 924.

"I want the truth to be known and it frustrates me to read that he was running down the plane, flailing and screaming that he had a bomb. That is not the case," he said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/5503137/detail.html

[goodhue]

75. "very agitated and very nervous"

Note he is describing the air marshall, not Alpizar.

[Spazito]

76. Thanks for posting this!

Yet another witness refuting the ever changing official story. There is yet to be one passenger to corroborate the air marshal's version, not one.

[drm604]

86. And, as far as I know

none of the witnesses are changing their stories or contradicting each other. Gee, I wonder why that would be?

[Exiled in America]

79. "running down the plane flailing and screaming he had a bomb" --

--where was that said?

I must have missed that. Only in really early rumors did I ever hear it say someone was running down a plane isle shouting about a bomb, and never in news report I actually read.

I think this is the more significant part of the piece:

"Instead, he saw a hurried Alpizar, followed by his wife shouting he was bi-polar in an apologetic tone. When she turned back for the luggage, Borelli heard gunshots in the jetway."

[goodhue]

82. Witness Mary Gardner used terms "flailing" and "frantic"

And it was picked up in many early press accounts, combined with air marshall accounts that he uttered words about having a bomb. Just use Google News and you will see. Here is but one one . . .

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051208.wxmiami1208/BNStory/International/

He uttered threatening words," including claims he had a bomb, said James Bauer, special agent in charge of the Miami office of the Federal Air Marshal Service.

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"He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air," as he ran down the aisle, Mary Gardner, a passenger, told a Miami TV station. Ms. Gardner said a woman followed, shouting, "My husband! My husband."

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[goodhue]

85. also see post #8 above

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[noamnety]

87. This reminds me of those musicians that had to pee

and looked at each other on a plane, and poor Annie Jacobsen who lived to tell the tale. Terror in the Skies.

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2004/07/21/askthepilot95/index_np.html