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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:13 AM Original message |
South Park on AA and 12 step programs |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. I wish they didn't make the virgin mary bleed from her ass. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I thought that was the funniest part. n/t |
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johnnyburma (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 05:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Me too tasteblind |
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thefool_wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. She didn't.. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. Actually AA is about drunks helping other drunks |
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wtbymark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. AA is a faith based organization n/t |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
25. I'd say AA is spiritually based, maybe theist, but |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. It "sort of makes sense"... for SOME people. |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. AA is cultish about the 12 steps |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. What about the physical aspect of addiction? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. Don't all human beings suffer from "underlying selfishness"? |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Point taken |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Physical addictions seem to be rare and narrowly defined. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Don't know how rare it is |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I thought physical addiciton meant you die if you don't get a fix. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Yes |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
107. That's the case with plenty of severe alcoholics. |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:01 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. I've been told that alcoholism is the only addiciton where you |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Yeah, severe DTs can certainly require medical intervention. |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #113 |
130. People occaisionally die from other withrawals |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #113 |
132. Barbituate withdrawal can be fatal... |
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Protagoras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
75. well said |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
53. except in the prayer |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
79. Try being an atheist in a 12 step program |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
116. I have and it's difficult. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. It is better in big cities |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
121. A friend of mine in AA had a tree as |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Wow, that's profound |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. It's profound? But is it incorrect? n/t |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The Virgin Mary bit is a good way to get the Catholic-haters... |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Nevermind all the hate the Catholic church trades in. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. So, you see, it's perfectly moral to make jokes about the Virgin Mary! |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
72. And it's perfectly moral to ignore the Catholic Church's conduct. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
128. mary committed adultery with god. she had a husband you know nt |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
38. You need to attend more |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
54. then why don't they just say that? |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
74. You don't know me well enough to make that assertion. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Yet I think that's why it's appealing to addicts. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I can appreciate that. |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. yah right |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I think it may vary, regionally, as well. |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It was central NJ believe it or not. |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. its just a trade really |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. There is some of that |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
40. really?? you get a seratonin or dopamine kick out of meetings? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:30 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Yes, you do get hormonal boosts from meetings |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
94. No, I don't |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Not everyone is the same |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:12 AM Response to Reply #40 |
57. I'd say yes. And there's the ritual and more besides. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. I'd agree with that |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. It shouldn't be forced on people |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
45. I wasn't having a problem with sobriety |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. If Rational Recovery works for people, that is great! |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I wish everybody felt that way |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
86. I agree Court-Ordered-AA is bad for the drunk and bad for AA... |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
39. You don't have to do the group prayers if you don't want to |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. dupe self delete |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. But my point is why the prayers there at all? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. The history of 12 step programs is pretty interesting |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. Agreed n/t |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Actually, a lot of people have big problems with the religiosity |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I agree with you about whatever works |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I know a lot of AA people. |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:15 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Agreed! |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
50. precisely my point |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. precisely my point |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
56. I think AA is just trading one addiction for another. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
71. Your wrong... |
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trixie (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
129. Just another reason not to take responsibility |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
8. I loved the episode...thought the whole thing was just really funny. |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. I didn't see the episode, but this reminds me of a book I just read |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
14. Ok episode |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
16. Usually, I stay out of these threads, but |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. Hey, if you don't want to go to AA, you shouldn't go, and judges |
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Dyedinthewoolliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I'm in the program too. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That may be true, but I think that AA education programs |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. That's the way it works |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. I do think Jail or Treatment, or AA is a legitimate choice n/t |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
134. For what? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
135. If a court is going to order it |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Or mental institutions |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
23. Deleted sub-thread |
gee double you bee (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
27. wait wait wait |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I don't think this is a litmus test issue, GWB. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. Opinions on DU vary widely, I'm sure that many more do not |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
63. I have real misgivings about AA - but that doesn't mean I'm anti-AA. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
29. My friend Jerry Joseph says he has a two step program. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Well Good For Him! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
31. I'm not in AA and I'm not Catholic |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
37. I also think that those South Park guys are VASTLY overrated. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
92. South Park is in its 8th season, and it's the most |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
49. You're right. SOUTHPARK nailed it on both counts. |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
52. I tivo-ed it last night |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
61. Fortunately |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
62. Fact: AA is not a religeous organization |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Self delete - posted wrong spot. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
64. AA externalizes responsibility for alcoholism. |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
98. You need to go beyond step 2 |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Why? Does that change my analysis? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. I have to disagree with you: |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:58 PM Response to Reply #106 |
117. I'm not telling anyone what to think, I'm making a point. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I'd argue this isn't about YOU, at all. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:45 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Thanks for your input. - n/t |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #117 |
131. Interesting... |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
65. Addiction is so tragic |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
69. Every wrong-headed cliche against AA was used, but the real tragic... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. 20 years of sobriety and I still know I can't drink "just one or two" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:52 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. But there ARE people for whom moderation management does |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. There's some disagreement as to whether these folks are really addicts |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. AA is the first place to tell people to go try it |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
110. According to my definition of alcoholic |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #110 |
126. That's how I understand it as well |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #110 |
127. While I was "out there", I sometimes had to spend hours at business.. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
109. The idea that true alcoholics could have 'just a few' if they only 'tried' |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
73. Stan's line about being a cult leader |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
76. The subject South Park will never take on |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Did you not see Team America? n/t |
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Bushy Being Born (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. ...or the "Osama has farty pants" episode |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
77. Did the Resident go to AA? |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Nope |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Martin Sheen should not be breaking anonymity |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Now that's funny |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. WTF? |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Forgot about the anonymity part |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #95 |
123. How could anyone not love Diagnosis Murder? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #85 |
112. I disagree. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #112 |
125. You have a point |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
111. No, there's a whole bunch of stuff about 'humility' |
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Bombtrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
90. That was the worst South Park episode in 2 seasons |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. I thought it was pretty funny. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
108. Yes, hilarious with a good point as usual. |
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Dances with Cats (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
115. AA has helped alot of people. |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
118. SOUTHPARK was correct about three things. |
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Dances with Cats (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. people who have been jerked back from the edge of the abyss |
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Rocknrule (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
133. I thought the AA meeting part |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
136. I was scorned at an AA meeting for not participating in the Lords Prayer.. |
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