Can someone recommend a board where they don't RIP fellow DEMS?

[xultar]

I'd really like to see one.

This rip a Dem circle firing squad here is makin me :puke:

[LaurenG]

1. ...

:popcorn:

[haydukelives]

103. Pass me some

This is going to be good

[fishnfla]

2. The cooking and baking group of DU!

friendly folks down there. Nobody flames nobody about nothing!

[AuntPatsy]

6. lol

[mike_c]

9. even I play nice in C&B....

:hug:

[Baclava]

11. Except maybe the Mayo vs. Miracle Whip flamewars...

That was pretty ugly...

[xultar]

15. Those Mayo vs MW flamers make me not even want to cook.

[Telly Savalas]

50. If the DLC is going to keep pushing Miracle Whip on us...

they might as well join the Republicans!

[Harper_is_Bush]

58. Hey, what riding are you in? I hope you're not splitting the vote... (: n

[Telly Savalas]

100. I'm a Murkin living in Canada so I can't vote.

But it's Parkdale-High Park. The Cons run a distant 3rd here.

Be sure to tell would-be Liberal voters not to split the vote in ridings where the NDP is in a dogfight with the Tories, and the Liberals are in 3rd place. There are a number of them.

[Harper_is_Bush]

101. Good point. It works both ways...

and it's hard to convey that to the voters.

[BikeWriter]

79. Hey, you getting personal now, buddy?

:sarcasm:

[Baclava]

99. Lips that touch Mayo will never touch mine...there, I said it.

The clan is thicker than fat particles suspended in oil.

[tishaLA]

25. I just bitched about someone liking Rachael Ray

and I'll do the same to those who profess love for Paula Deen.

[leftchick]

28. I LOVE Rachael Ray!!

what do you have against that sweetie? huh??

:)

[tishaLA]

32. Do NOT get me started!

:)

My hatred of her is not yumm-oh!

[leftchick]

34. lol!

no it is YUMMMMMMM- OH!! :rofl:

[laureloak]

45. I ADORE Paula Deen. Love her Savannah restaurant. n/t

[aikoaiko]

53. I'm going to the Lady and Sons tomorrow for lunch..mmmmmm

I love them ho cakes.

[TankLV]

75. I only hate all of 'em because they won't send me what they're making

before it airs!

Of course, the fact that I have yet to ask for it doesn't work in my argument!

[aikoaiko]

93. Went today. Report below.

Appetizers: Cheese biscuits and ho cakes.
First trip to the buffet: Pot roast, collard greens with pork, and mashed potatos.
Second trip: mac n chees, black eyed peas, and lima beans.
Peach cobbler for desert.

With a nice glass of cab sav.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[gulfcoastliberal]

3. Maybe you should contact the DLC about that.

Check out the way the slnadered nancy Pelosi and Murtha. Their agenda is all aout slamming elected dems who don't toe the "exhort W" line.

[xultar]

4. So all DUers who are bashing Hillary are DLCers? Interesting.

:crazy:

[gulfcoastliberal]

20. Your post does not say anything about Hillary.

However, there are many DLC shills on board who are slamming Pelosi, Murtha, and those who support the Murtha plan for withdrawal as soon as practical from Iraq based on his significant observations and conversations with the "boots on the ground" troops and commanders in Iraq. If only meant attacks on Hillary perhaps you should've specified that in your post. :eyes:

[xultar]

38. OK, CLARK, DEAN, MURTHA, BIDEN, SHARPTON, KERRY, GORE

pick one pick'em all.

I don't like Gore but He's a Dem and when it comes down to it I have his back.

Same thing with Kerry, Clark, Biden, Sharpton, Dean, Murtha.

When you're a DEM I'm on your side.

Plain and simple.

[A Simple Game]

44. Yeah, right. If that was such a good idea the Republicans would

be doing it. Wait, they are doing it.

Not like it got them anywhere, did it? Just three branches of the government. Look how many we still have! What, there are only three branches?

Maybe there is something to this support each other thing after all!

[sybylla]

84. Yeah, and they're also heading off to jail one right after another

If you never examine what your organization is doing and apply criticism where due, then you'll end up with an organization like the pukes and your members will head off to jail one right after another because no one ever criticizes as that would be unsupportive of their efforts, after all.

Seig Heil!

Fortunately for us, there is no lock step in the Dem party because we believe our philosophies are only purified and improved in the crucible of debate. It's what makes us the big tent. My apologies if I'm being a bit didactic, but your post called for such a response.

And you're forgetting the fact that they stole one of those branches of government you're refering to from us, twice, another feat for which some of them should be frogmarching to jail.

[A Simple Game]

87. You do have a good point, blind support can be bad.

But I never said support has to be blind. Sometimes the best way to support some one is to tell them the truth.

As far as the Republicans, I think they know the character of the people they are supporting. They just don't care.

Personally I think any of the leading Democrats deserve our support.

Like several people said, do your fighting in the primaries, unit in the general election.

[jsamuel]

76. Sorry, but I don't blindly follow anyone

(D) or (R) makes no difference, but their voice and votes do

[FreedomAngel82]

73. The picture of Rumsfeld

and the German guy are so eerily familiar. Is that Donny in another life? :shrug:

[TallahasseeGrannie]

33. Oh God, I'm confused

I thot Hilary WAS DLC?? I'll never get this stuff right...


Grannie...muttering into her butter pecan ice cream cone while she rocks the baby and types with one hand

[boston bean]

22. wow, rumsfeld and the nazi in your sig line look like twins. nt

[gulfcoastliberal]

27. Feel free to copy it, if you like. I couldn't get over the similarities.

They both favored torture and stripping people of their human rights.

[Auntie Bush]

64. That's just what I told my husband...made him come and look.

Rummy must be a clone since there is that age factor.

[Just Me]

5. Huh? OH,...yeah,...geez!!! What's up with that?!?!?!!!

Even when people behave nobly, honestly and/or with integrity, shit is thrown all over them.

WTF is up with that? :shrug:

[joeunderdog]

60. Show me a partisan crowd that won't rip one of its own...

and I'll show you the GOP. They stand in line, never question the party and follow the leader for good or bad. It's kinda cool...you can go to work, leave your brain in the jar and never have to worry about the soft tug of guilt.

Great concept.

[OregonBlue]

7. I agree with you except for Lieberman. He makes my skin crawl.

Moderators should delete anti-dem posts!

[AuntPatsy]

10. I agree, Lieberman deserves no quarter..another Zell

[OregonBlue]

13. Yes he is and he does not deserve our support!! Hillary on the

other hand does vote right most of the time. Pro social security, pro medicaid, medicare, etc.

[0007]

31. Da famous captain put out into open sea, said,

"I ask for no quarter and I give no quarter" - I personally feel that Lieberman put the Democratic Party out to an open sea. Just like 'ya said, "another Zell."

[charlyvi]

59. They smoky guy looks like George Hamilton.

Before his tanning session!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

35. I'd give him a quarter, but not fifty cents

[AuntPatsy]

41. Thats more than he would get from me, I stand by No Quarter.

[acmejack]

16. That will promote good Democratic values, alright!

Or are you of the Ari Fleisher persuasion "People need to watch what they say..."

[AuntPatsy]

8. Your guess is as good as mine, I have yet to see one...

[xultar]

12. It is a wonder if the Rethugs would have to do anything to us...we'll

destroy our own and be better @ it than them.

[AuntPatsy]

18. Oh they do it to themselves to, never doubt it, there is quite

a few restless political pawns up in arms these days, we don't have the monopoly on such.

[Vanje]

14. Like you, I dont like Dem- slamming threads

Like you, I dont like the Dem-slamming threads.,...(except those concerning Leiberman.... and that nutty Southern senator who spoke at the GOP convention, and challanged Chris Matthews to a duel. Those are not, in any way, Dems.)

There isnt enough time in my day to read all dU threads.
I limit myself to those I'm interested in.
I avoid the others.

[xultar]

17. I stil lsee them and I wonder. It's like gay politicians who hate gays

what's up with that?

It bugs me because it screws with morale and messes with the big picture.

[mongo]

63. Don't criticize the war either

because that screws with morale too -- at least that's what Sean Hannity tells me.

[ismnotwasm]

24. There it is

I stay out of 'em. (Except this one, if it turns into one)I can usually tell by the title and the amount of posts. I'll read through them occationally to see if there is any productive information, or facts I need to verify, but man O man do I avoid 'em.

[leeroysphitz]

19. www.xultarunderground.com? n/t

[xultar]

37. Kissy kissy kissy to you! Maybe I will. You'll never know. We'll

joke, have fun post pix and toons and RIP Rethugs 24/7 and no BASHING DEMS. We'll work only to crush the Rethugs not each other.

Wow it would be awesome.

[leeroysphitz]

42. We appreciate the kisses! :) n/t

[UTUSN]

21. Kick/Rec for You-speak-for-me n/t

[wadestock]

23. I feel your pain.....

Quantity...not quality.... has become the mainstay of forums nation wide....and the influx of newbies has fueled the aggravation....clearly evidence of frustration among our youth.

This forum has an extremely high quantity of posts....
Combine that with the general degradation of forums of this type and you have a recipe for a decreased inability to form a concensus of opinion....or what can be generally catagorized as "ranting".

The construction of the "research forum" was a great idea...but the methodology for how to make it worked needs to be interatively improved. I recommend an approach where "matchmaking" can be made between those that really have shared beliefs and who don't simply want to rant but combine in team projects. Even 10 or 12 incentivized team members could probably exceed anything which has been previously posted on such sites as this.

Just think for a moment at a broad level.
Here we are in the new millenium and we are still in the dark ages regarding how to use the internet and the sharing of information to advance our understanding of the world and our environment. Here's some quick suggestions....

1. Find a way to champion and bring forth real...credible...information...and raise the level of information among those who participate.
2. Form specific identifiable and verifiable (testable) methodologies for how to form a consensus of opionion....based somehow on better group participation....and using a quality feedback loop to the update facts, relevant information and the overall consensus of information.

Sadly...and this is no fault of this forum per se....
but this type of degradation in online forums only feeds into the overall demonization and destruction of the democratic party.

[Sapphire Blue]

26. Please post when you find one.

Please send me a PM, too... wouldn't want to miss the post, as I would also really like to see such a board.

[xultar]

39. When I find one I'll PM you and then SCREAM it from the rooftop!

[AZBlue]

88. Would you let me know too?

I love debate and discussion and think it's great when someone has a different opinion and you can share ideas, even if it gets a little heated.

I'm so so so sick of personal attacks with no substance or even reference to the point at hand. Maybe DU should come up with new rules about that.

[goclark]

105. Let me know too!

I love a good debate but sometimes I wonder if I'm in the right location.:crazy:

I thought Democrats were all on the same team, especially on Big Issues.

:crazy:

That would still be OK with me if the personal put downs were not so full of hate/anger.


Are there any rules for debate that are followed? :crazy:

I am not aware of any. It is only when I see the word LOCK or DELETE that I think that something someone said may have pushed a magic button, but I can't learn from the experience of the thread cause I have no clue why the thread went bye bye :crazy:

But since I can only guess at the reason, I am left feeling :crazy:

I thought GW was the enemy,no? :crazy:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. How about DemocraticPablum.com?

[jonnyblitz]

40. or "stepforddemocrats.com" nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Do they have recipes for unflavored Jell-O there?

[G_j]

91. no just Koolaid n/t

[TallahasseeGrannie]

30. We're just keeping our talons sharp

[donheld]

36. www.utopia.com

Do we as Dems learn without this kind of feedback?

[emulatorloo]

52. there's a diff between criticism and unbridled BS bashing

criticism - I disagree w Hillary on flag burning
bashing - Hillary is evil scum of the earth, and is probably in bed with Halliburton, I just know it

[donheld]

70. It's not out of the realm of possiblity

in bed with Halliburton

[AZBlue]

89. Depends on what kind of feedback you're referring to

Correction on an issue? A different point of view? Debate and discussion? Those are great!

"You're stupid." "We don't need your kind here." "You asshole." That's ridiculous. And rude. And a waste of space and time.

[Solon]

46. Since when has the Democratic party become the rubber stamp party?

That's for the Republicans, not the Democrats, for us to rubber stamp people simply because they have a "D" after their name makes us as bad as the "Bush is the second Coming" Republicans. I critisize other dems when they do stupid shit, because its STUPID SHIT that THEY do! Jesus H. Christ, when is it going to get through other people's skulls that candidates have to EARN votes, they should NEVER be given them, that is the death of democracy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. When you find one, let me know, please! nt

[OffWithTheirHeads]

48. try the DLC

or better yet, If you like the party with no dissent marching in lockstep, try the RNC.

I, however, will continue to call a spade a spade.

[izzybeans]

49. The DU Shake and bake treatment.

I'm for honest criticism, but for goodness sakes, condemnation of a reasonable politician is just reactionary drivil. Condemnation should be reserved for the ideologically pure opponent who you disagree with on every issue.

Clinton for banning flag burning makes me want to scream, as does her war stance, but i agree with her on many other points.

Our personal relationships with our life partners should be so lucky. I wish I only disagreed with my wife on that much. But then again that's what make personal involvement fun.

[Tom Joad]

51. It would be anti-democratic, of couse.

without healthy critique, you would have a cult, not a dynamic movement.

[Zhade]

54. You'd have to define "rip" and "bash" for me.

Legitimate criticism of, say, voting against civil liberties or for illegal wars doesn't fit that definition.

[G_j]

71. why?

that might result in a constructive conversation.
"Bash" is so nice and nebulous.

[Zhade]

78. It's easy to use.

"What? You don't like that _________ (D) wants us to keep killing Iraqis? Why are you BASHING GOOD DEMS????"

It's similar to the old 'criticize Israeli policy/get called an anti-Semite' bullshit. A cop-out to avoid actually discussing the issues.

Cowardice, in other words.

[RobertSeattle]

55. Here you go

here

[mopaul]

57. hee hee hee

good one

[Armstead]

68. All Right! Pink Fluffy Bunnies

[Harper_is_Bush]

56. I am new, but thus far have to agree... n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

61. We just need more red meat.

Fitzy has to give us someone new, or we'll start to feed on one another.

[Laurab]

62. K & R

I'd like to see one too. There's constructive criticism, which is ok, and there's BASHING, which is frustrating, especially when you see the EXACT same words used over and over, about the same person. I get the point the first time, it serves no useful purpose, and contrary to some opinions, I think we DO eat our own here far too much.

[DeepModem Mom]

65. You're a brave woman, xultar! nt

[goclark]

106. And we love you xultar! nt

[AnotherMother4Peace]

66. For some there is no room for error, and there is little forgiveness

in this Party. Look at the Repubs and their corruption, they're all about "hey, we're OK, what's the big deal, God's on our side." (in one voice). While so many Dems pick at the inevitable imperfections of our people, and pick at them, and pick at them, and pick at them. We really need to learn to forgive ourselves & our leaders.

There was a recent thread about us not needing the Republicans to defeat us, we have our own party. Well, I've seen them send out a talking point bashing a Dem, & then I've seen it repeated here. So a lot needs to be said for forgiveness & unity. It really will help defeat the evil doers that are in power.

[goclark]

109. Unity is the key ~ eye on the prize! nt

[Justice Is Comin]

67. Mere words may not provoke a battery.

Just a desire to commit one. It's the law.

[upi402]

69. This one, DINOs are Republicans occupying a Dem slot.

[WillyT]

72. No

No

[TankLV]

74. Hey, we're dems, get used to it.

It's like a family.

We argue in PRIVATE and AMONGST OURSELVES like wild banshees at times, BUT WHEN WE'RE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH "THE ENEMY" - it will always be "DON'T YOU DARE TALK STINK BOUT MY FAMILY!"

Comes with the territory.

[Yollam]

77. I don't know, can you recommend a progressive party...

...that isn't full of right-wing infiltrators like Lieberman, Zell Miller and Joe Biden?

If was a member of that party, I wouldn't have any turncoat members to bitch ABOUT.

Sorry, but political parties are supposed to be based on some sort of ideology and worldview, and when about 1/4 of our party's 'leaders' seem to be more aligned with the other party's stances (more than that in the senate), you're bound to have problems.



Is it so much to ask for a party that says in a UNIFIED VOICE:

NO to war without a DAMN GOOD REASON

NO to tax cuts on the rich and tax breaks for outsourcing of jobs while tightening bankruptcy screws on the underclass

NO to regressive flat-tax schemes

NO to distracting non-issues like steroids in baseball, flag-burning and video games

and YES to a full, complete and impartial investigation of the 9/11 attacks on our country?


Is that SO DAMN MUCH to ask?

[benny05]

80. no, I can't sorry n/t

[donheld]

81. So if we can't RIP a dem

How do we handle those Dems who constantly vote and speak against us?

[Blasphemer]

82. Dunno.. but I would hate to be part of one

The right wing extremists are the ones who refuse to challenge and question their leaders and look where that has gotten us.

[rucky]

83. Dems question authority. That's what we do.

it's healthy. keeps our leaders on their toes.

[rman]

85. How do you know they're fellow dems anyway?

Maybe they're just disruptors. wouldn't be the first time.

And why is it that this talk of bashing, ripping and firing squads is always accompanied by lack of examples?

[andyhappy]

86. ???

I just don't get this board...I am not sure what you are talking about?

I posted something a few weeks ago questioning many DU'ers unfaltering loyalty to john Kerry and I got ripped a new arshole with about 100 comments that were very rude and down right brutally mean.

so are we supposed to all just shut up and get in line?

I thought this was the democratic 'UNDERGROUND'...

[Norquist Nemesis]

90. *sigh* Have to say there are times when I feel the same way

There really do seem to be a lot people out to cause a divide rather than have a discussion, though. I just get up and go do dishes or laundry for a while.

[dfgrbac]

92. When ripping is not allowed ...

Democracy is killed. Is that what you want?

Life is a struggle. Culturally, we are having a crises of ideas. But humans are intelligent. We will pick the right ideas if we are exposed to all of them.

[LoZoccolo]

94. I made one myself right here.

It involved putting lots of people on ignore!

[mattclearing]

95. Free Republic - They don't have any fellow Dems! n/t

[Loonman]

96. So you want an echo chamber with no discussion or dissent

Go join Freerepublic, then.

[goclark]

107. It is not the discussion ,it is the tone of the debate

that I believe is being questioned.

IMO, the debate can be stimulating and I learn so much here.

But I will say that my main purpose for coming here is to learn more about the issues so that we as a TEAM can help the Democratic Party to grown and we can defeat GWB and the Crooks.

I also believe that people of all races,religions and backgrounds should be respected.

That way, I can grow in my ability to be a broader thinker.

It does disappoint me when I see threads that bring a point of view that will get bashed for no reason. Cutting remarks that are especially hurtful to those that only want to share their perspective.

[troubleinwinter]

97. I am confused....

In post #38 you say, "When you're a DEM I'm on your side. Plain and simple."


But yesterday you said this about the DLC dems:

"Washington Post FUCKIN DLC HUB FUCKERS beholden to DLC
rethuglican light.

I bet the DLC PAID to have this story put in the WP.

THE FUCKS,
DLC
FUCKERS
FUCKIN DLC FUCKS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1970513&mesg_id=1970519

:shrug:

[cry baby]

98. Do you think it's not ok to criticize any politician...no matter what?

What about Lieberman or pro-corporate Biden? Can we not discuss our differences we have with Dems without someone complaining that we are a circular firing squad?

[mmonk]

102. Our party has been neutered.

What you are seeing is the results.

[derby378]

104. Hey, uh, I'm trying to be nice for once...

I want a Democratic victory in 2008, but that doesn't mean I've stopped being passionate about some progressive issues. But I'm trying to tone down my rhetoric on some "centrist" Democrats.

Just give me a little time, okay? It ain't easy switching from ornery to sweetness overnight.

[goclark]

108. Yes, let's keep our eye on the prize! Well said derby378 nt

[NuttyFluffers]

110. In the town called Perfect.

But most of us don't live in Perfect, so that's why there's Walgreens... And DU.