When Freepers send their kids to public school

[JohnnyRingo]

The science book becomes socialist propaganda.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1532128/posts?page=1

[KingFlorez]

1. I have a suggestion

Don't send them to school to avoid the evil socialists and let them grow up to be a bunch of idiots. The solution would be to then find them a rich spouse who will take care of them forever. Hey, it's better than learning in a socialist school.

[DS1]

2. "the Science teacher purchased the textbooks with his own money"

Ridiculous

[MissMarple]

26. Have they compared teachers' salaries with the cost of text books?

No. Clueless get.

[DS1]

38. Care to make that coherent?

Or did you have to buy your own English books?

[MissMarple]

41. "Get" as in progeny or offspring.

It's in my old Webster's 7th New Collegiate Dictionary among others.

[wbarnhill]

3. Of course.

And don't forget that the laws of thermodynamics are all atheistic communist lies ;)

[donheld]

6. Welcome to DU wbarnhill

:hi:

[wbarnhill]

15. Thanks :D (n/t)

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Hi Barnhill!

[wbarnhill]

16. And thank you too :D (n/t)

[mikeytherat]

17. Well, the Second One is!

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state."

The State and the Initial State? I think we all know what they're talking about, eh Comrade?

mikey_the_rat

(and welcome to DU)

[Bill McBlueState]

4. that *is* a crappy list of laws.

I agree that this looks like a terrible science course for a lot of reasons. They mix vague statements about values with physical laws. The First Law of Thermodynamics is a precise mathematical truth. The "Law of Equity," regardless of your opinion on the topic, is an entirely different type of statement. What is a meaningful existence? What sort of experiment could potentially disprove this law?

Oh, and their "Law of Conservation of Matter" is false. That's what E=mc^2 is all about.

But what did they expect from a charter school?

[MercutioATC]

8. Agreed. This has no place in a science class.

[immoderate]

32. Me too. Doesn't sound like science.

In a good science class, student "do" science. The formulate hypotheses and carry out experiments and make observations to verify or disprove their hypotheses.

This science book mixes values with science. It is bad science.

--IMM

[sandnsea]

37. It's "Human Ecology"

Google it. It's human focused science, that's the entire purpose. It isn't a traditional science class because it isn't a traditional school. It is a sort of relativist science, focusing on the human being which might be more interesting to an 8th grade student. It's about over-population, the care of the earth, human interaction, and how it's all related. It's very different, that's for sure, but I think as long as they make sure and include whatever basic science an 8th grader should have, it's okay.

[AspenRose]

5. Wait a minute, I'm confused: It's a Charter School

Don't republicans APPROVE of Charter Schools since they're privately run?

"In Arizona, a Charter School is a privately run, smaller, more focused public school. It provides parents with school choice and some competition between the schools. Although, right now, the Charter Schools are the red-headed step children and are regularly passed over in funding, resources, etc. in favor of the megaschools. We favored the small school environment and found a Charter School that we thought met our minimum standards. We went into this with our eyes open and met with the Principal and the School Director and asked many specific questions related to policies, teachers, environment, curriculum, underlying philosophy, discipline, etc. We knew that we were going to have to unteach our children some of the garbage that they would inherently be taught in any sort of public school and we were prepared to do that."

Can't keep up with Freepers, they confuse the hell out of me :crazy: :dunce:

[JohnnyRingo]

20. I didn't really notice that with the orig post

I was thinking that the freeps sent the child to a public school after years of home schooling.

It turns out they sent the children to a barely accredited private school after years of having them underfoot. Now they want the private school to pick up right where they left off.

Like most parents they were probably glad to have the kids out of the house a few hours a day so they could ...uhh.....What ever freepers do when the kids aren't home.

[NorCalDem]

7. I love how NONE of them understand

conservation of Mass or E=mc^2 (the two equations don't really have anything to do with one another, yet they all seem to think that Einstein debunked mass conservation with his equation).

WTF? Conservation of mass still holds, always has, and always will. It could also be stated "you can't get something from nothing," similar to Freepers educations. They have no brain, therefore there is no hope to educate them...

[Bill McBlueState]

19. conservation of mass

My understanding is that conservation of mass is violated in nuclear reactions. Or do you mean something else when you say conservation of mass?

[Don Claybrook]

25. My understanding was always the opposite

And my understanding is that of a layman, to be sure. But I thought that the very small mass of the atom was converted to the very great energy of a nuclear reaction and that the conservation of mass was maintained in this process of being converted to energy.

So have I had this wrong all along?

[Bill McBlueState]

28. that's right

Your description of the process is right.

But if you define mass as "what gravity acts on," then some of the mass is converted into energy in a nuclear reaction and is no longer mass.

I think it makes the most sense to talk about conservation of energy, where mass is a form of energy.

[Don Claybrook]

30. ok....however,

I thought the conservation of mass referred to mass in either of its forms: either mass, or energy. That is, mass can be energy, and vice versa, but nothing is lost in the conversion, and theoretically, the energy could be changed back to the same original mass.

Your thoughts appreciated.

[mndfler]

9. Gravity is Satan's work!

[Maat]

18. Well .. it certainly is with respect to how my bustline is holding up.

;)

[grannylib]

27. LMAO join the club!! anything I may once have had to flaunt has

LONG since packed up and slid south...

[Maat]

40. HeeHee.

:rofl:

[GrumpyGreg]

10. Since I have trouble remembering the boiling point of water I

think I'll stay away from this discussion.

I read some of the FR post and don't quite get it.

I do know one thing though, the die hard home-schooling parents make me very,very nervous.

[Swamp Rat]

12. America need hamburger flippers and ditch diggers

... if those jobs aren't too difficult for them.

[JohnnyRingo]

21. Hahaha... I like that pic

A lot

[pinniped]

13. They tricked his silly ass and he sent her to a witch and pagan skoool.

--every site that had this set or a slightly reworded set were Pagan and Witchcraft sites--

[sinkingfeeling]

14. Guess the OP didn't Google too much. First hit explains where

this Global Science program came from: http://www.mii.org/global/
<snip>
Global Science
Energy, Resources, Environment

"We need to teach our students that the source of the fact is as important as the fact itself." - John Christensen, author

Global Science is an integrated science program designed by high school science teachers for high school students.

Students will be confronted with many scientific and social challenges in the twenty-first century. Among them will be to extract and use our resources in environmentally responsible ways. Help them learn to make wise decisions.
<snip>

And from a textbook review organization: http://www.textbookleague.org/75glob.htm

Kendall/Hunt's Global Science teaches principles of chemistry, physics, geology and mathematics, all in a context of applied science, ecological interactions, and the management of resources. Unlike most of the environmental-science books that have been considered in The Textbook Letter, it is directed at high-school students. It is not a college text.

Edited to add second link.

[JohnnyRingo]

22. And that teacher paid for the textbook himself

"A classroom set of the Global Science curriculum costs less than $2,000. Its usable life-span is 5 to 7 years."

That's a pretty dedicated instructor.

[mr blur]

23. Yep, it's "Communism" all right.

"I wouldn't let my children by taught by an atheist."

These people are brain-dead.

[Nikki Stone 1]

24. The FReeper writer could just as easily add "Intelligent Design" to the

things that don't belong in science books.

I have a few comments here.

First, there needs to be a separation between actual scientific laws (like the laws of thermondynamics) and value statements like:

"# The Law of Equity All humans are created with an equal right to live in dignity and peace and to work out a meaningful existence. Everyone is entitled to a fair share of the world's resources--provided one is carrying one's own share of the responsibilities."

Now I happen to agree wholeheartedly with this statment. That is why I am a progressive and not a pug. But, this statement is not science, it is a value judgement, a creed if you will.

These are scientific laws:

# Law of Conservation of Matter Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. It can be rearranged. Everything must go somewhere - there is no away.

# First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. However, it can be transformed from one from to another.

And these should not be in the same list with value statements.

[jon strad]

29. I think people misunderstand the assignment

After reading through the Free Republic post quickly, I think a lot of people don’t understand the point of the assignment. You are supposed to write why you agree or disagree with each statement. So for every time you see a statement that is not based on fact or is true, then you write down specifically why you disagree with it. It’s not stating that these “laws and principles” are fact; you are assigned to debunk or support them.
At least that’s what I thought.

[immoderate]

33. that's a different story.

If you are right, then I am among those who did not understand the assignment. Determining which of these statements belongs to science is a reasonable approach to introducing science classes.

Mostly, the freeper carries on that these principles are the purpose of the course. Ah, but freeps have been wrong before.

On edit: Welcome to DU!:hi:

--IMM

[jon strad]

34. Thanks for the welcome!

I've been a lurker for a long time now, at least a couple months before the 04 election. I thought it was about time to join in on the fun, especially in these more optimistic times.
So thanks for the welcome!:hi:

[JohnnyRingo]

36. Leading the child to use reason and deduction to think for herself

I bet there was a different curriculum when they were home schooled.
At least in this case.

[JohnnyRingo]

42. You're very astute

I think the humor of the link is that this freeper is upset because the instructor is encouraging his child to use her analytical skills to make her own decisions.

That's not how the party works.

And welcome to DU
Really

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. When freepers send their kids to public school they are hypocrites

Simple is as simple does.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Well, for starters, textbooks are NOT authored by ONE person

There is a lot more misinformation in that article too.

But I would rather have holes drilled in my teeth without novocaine than go back to that site and read anymore.

[Mutley]

39. I guess this freeper 'forgot' to look at the SCHOLARLY articles on

the subject of Human Ecology.

http://www.google.com/scholar?q=THE+FUNDAMENTAL+LAWS+AND+PRINCIPLES+OF+HUMAN+ECOLOGY&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=ss&oi=scholart&q=THE+FUNDAMENTAL+LAWS+AND+PRINCIPLES+OF+HUMAN+ECOLOGY

I guess I 'forgot' that to freepers, scholars are elitists that are out of touch with the common man. :eyes:

That being said, it could certainly be argued that this material would be better suited in a philosophy class than a science class. But, if this freeper has such a problem with the public school his children are attending, why not go back to home-schooling them?