Who are you mad at in politics? and WHY? I'll start with Gore ...

[Neil Lisst]

Gore

... and Kerry.You just had to pick Loserman for your VP, didn't you?!

You just had to prove you weren't Bill's boy, didn't you?!

Those were both stupid decisions!!


Kerry

Your campaign leadership after the convention was unworthy of the people who slaved to try to get you elected. You were out of touch, too aloof, too verbose, and generally foggy down the stretch. But I could live with that if you hadn't sat on $15 million we the people raised for you. And then you caved on the voter fraud, and that is intolerable. You betrayed us, and you betrayed the trust the party placed in you. It's not YOU, it's the party banner you carry for all of us. You can't surrender, you schmuck, because that's our call!


How about you?

[BOSSHOG]

1. The Prosecuting Attorney in New Orleans

for not filing negligent homicide charges against michael brown for his totally inept, criminal activity in the days before and after the hurricane.

[Neil Lisst]

3. Brownie, you're doin' a heckva job!

Let's not stop there.

Indict Bush, too.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

8. BOSS I'm interested

in your feelings about your local politicians. They got a whole lot of bad press, too. Tell us how you look at them from over there..you should know.

Back to Brown, however, did you see the email just yesterday that was released where the head of Homeland Security said he needed access to Brown, that he hadn't been able to contact him for two days? I know what would happen if MY boss couldn't get me for two minutes!

[Swamp Rat]

41. Damn straight!!!

:mad:

[enough already]

2. Diebold and Halliburton n/t

[Neil Lisst]

5. One steals elections. The other steals taxpayer money.

Bush leaguers.

[LSK]

4. DUers who do kneejerk reactions without getting facts n/t

[Neil Lisst]

7. I'm going to have to hear more facts about this matter.

Before I can form an opinion.

[LSK]

9. so you are safe

For now :P

[Neil Lisst]

15. Like Bush and plamegate, I'm still waiting for the facts to come in.

god forbid he should ask Rove WTF?!

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. The Supreme Court

Because that's where the government coup mess got "legitimacy"

[Neil Lisst]

10. The Pub Clique of 5 stopped the recounts BEFORE arguments.

They knew then they would crown the boy king.

[WI_DEM]

Gee, I thought Gore won the election?

It is the corrupt Supreme Court in Washington DC that stopped the vote count in Florida (p.s., I'm no Lieberman fan, but most polls showed that he helped the ticket--especially in Florida).

[WI_DEM]

14. I'm not pissed at Gore or Kerry but Bush and Cheney and their ilk

[Neil Lisst]

21. Oh, I'm superpissed at them, nuke cue lar pissed. Infinity pissed.

But then, who isn't? At least who here isn't?

[Neil Lisst]

17. he did win, but he would been more winnier without Joe Lieberman

and if he hadn't shunned Bill C.

[Nostradammit]

11. Uh, Gore and Kerry are way, way down my list.

Interesting that you would have started with them.

[Neil Lisst]

16. it's a hook, an attention grabber ... my list is long

I'm just getting started. I'll add some later, but since others will cover the gamut, I'll wait for them.

[maxsolomon]

12. My mom & dad

voted for mcgovern & carter

then reagan
twice
bush 1
dole
bush 2
bust 2

it makes me doubt my genetic makeup - maybe i'm about to become sleepwalking & selfish.

[Neil Lisst]

18. that's disgusting! What happened to your parents?!

ewwwwwwwwww

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Reverse for me

Mom & Dad:

Nixon '60
Goldwater '64
Nixon '68
Nixon '72
Ford '76

Mom & Step-dad: (my parents divorced and my dad stopped voting)

Reagan '80
Reagan '84
No vote '88 (both sick w/ flu ....)
??? '92 ... I think they are ashamed to tell me
Clinton PROUDLY AS DEMOCRATS '96
Gore '00
Kerry '04

[Neil Lisst]

30. Keep them healthy!! We need their votes!

that's cool

[ronnykmarshall]

28. Reverse for me

Mom & Dad:

Nixon '60
Goldwater '64
Nixon '68
Nixon '72
Ford '76

Mom & Step-dad: (my parents divorced and my dad stopped voting)

Reagan '80
Reagan '84
No vote '88 (both sick w/ flu ....)
??? '92 ... I think they are ashamed to tell me
Clinton PROUDLY AS DEMOCRATS '96
Gore '00
Kerry '04

[DemonFighterLives]

47. That was funny!

:rofl: You may be headed to the beach to bury your head in the sand and you didn't know it.

[MissB]

13. Excellent sarcasm!

But shouldn't this really be in the Lounge?

[Neil Lisst]

20. no sarcasm. Why? Is the lounge for the sarcastic?

just chasm

[blm]

19. Terry Mac for not securing voting machines BEFORE the election because

AFTER is too late for machines set up for one time use and erased.

And I think Kerry blew Bush away in every man to man matchup. He slaughtered him in the debates and every policy position he crafted was a million times better for the American people than any policy from Bush.

It was the DNC who was outorganized by the RNC, and the Dem spokepeople who couldn't tell the truth with the studied conviction the GOP spokespeople had for their lies.

The LEFT LEANING and OBJECTIVE MEDIA got their asses handed to them on a daily basis by the RW message machine who overpowered them every day.

Bush was the one who was befuddled and fuzzy and aloof but he had a team that controlled the media.

I'm not going to pretend Kenny Anderson was a bad quarterback just because his front line sucked so bad. Anderson excelled DESPITE his front line, and so did Kerry - he won.

[Neil Lisst]

25. Yes, the RW hit us daily with a well organized Message Machine.

It was obvious every day in the news. BAM! They would be out in force with their talking points, and where were we? Lacking in such response.

We played Defense from Labor Day on. We needed a shadow cabinet to be ready with a response to each set of talking points, and we didn't have it.

I'm very mindful of the underlying voting fraud and election fraud by the pubs in 2000, and in 2004. I'm also mindful of the political nature of the decision by the pub Supreme Court. But, I am still critical of Gore and Kerry for not running better campaigns.

In case you don't know, right now I'd back Gore for 08 above any others on the scene.

[blm]

31. Their campaigns were run better than the DNC they were both stuck with

and the DNC was set up with mealymouthed spokespeople schooled on defending Bill Clinton for 8 years, not post Clinton media realities needed for 2002 and 2004.

Dean is working his ass off in ways that Terry Mac would never bother with - like on voting machine fraud and contesting all races.

[Neil Lisst]

32. I was never a Terry Mac guy.

You're right about it becoming an apology machine for Bill, too.

[Generator]

22. Most of the Senate and Congress

For letting this worthless piece of shit known as the "president" turn this country into a practically a third rate neo-fascist state in only five years. Quite an accomplishment. No matter how basically good they are as human beings, they are the epitome of the "all it takes for evil to flourish is for good men(and women) to do nothing." And before I hear the whines of "what can they do, they are the miniority", spare me. The Republicons aren't the miniority and deserve all scorn. The Dems that haven't stood up and haven't given it everything they've got (now do you really think they have?) deserve it as well.

[Neil Lisst]

29. I've been mad at congressional Dems, too, until 6 weeks ago

Finally, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi came out swinging.

I've been pleased with party reps since then. I was very disappointed when Senate Dems caved on the IWR in 2002. Just scattered like meerkats with an eagle in pursuit.

[laureloak]

23. The Bush Administration. I SUPPORT Democrats. n/t

[Neil Lisst]

26. I support Democrats, too, but I can still be mad at them!

I can hate on the Bush administration with the best of them, and do!

But my hate for them is much larger than being mad at them, it's another level altogether, a despising that goes beyond being mad.

[blm]

24. Bill Clinton for not siding with John Kerry to open up books on BCCI.

Clinton sided with Alan Greenspan who wanted the books on BBCI to remain closed to the public and to further investigation.

Had Clinton allowed those books to be opened, there would have been no 9-11, no Iraq war, and no Bush would have ever been allowed even near the White House ever again.

[Neil Lisst]

33. Yeah, I agree with that one, too.

Bill flaked on that one.

[OneBlueSky]

34. I'm still pissed at Kerry . . . but not at Gore . . .

at least Al tried to resolve the Florida mess, but was ultimately short circuited by the Supreme Court . . . Kerry didn't even make an effort in Ohio or Florida; just accepted the "official" results and moved on . . .

I also think that Gore has done some learning and loosening up since 2000, and he's proven what kind of person he really is . . . evacuating critically ill patients from the NO airport at his own expense -- while fighting FEMA tooth and nail when they tried to stop him -- says an awful lot about the guy . . . particularly since he didn't seek out any publicity while he was doing his good deeds . . .

I could support Gore if he decided to run again . . . I don't think I could support Kerry, though . . . especially after he denied his conversation with Mark Crispin Miller, who I believe was telling it as it happened . . .

[Neil Lisst]

35. I agree with your comments about Gore. He fought in 2000.

He didn't throw in the towel, he made them use the Supremes to annoint the idiot prince King.

And I agree on his maturation since. Bottom line is, I think he can run a better campaign than Kerry, who continues to struggle with the English language in speechificating.

[blm]

37. BTW...most educated people like listening to Gore and Kerry.

The media dumbed down too many. Most Americans would enjoy listening to real speeches and real policy solutions not too long ago.

Not too long ago, Kerry was considered a big threat to Nixon BECAUSE he was sincere, brave, intelligent and charismatic.

Then Nixon launched media operations planting stories of Kerry being a phony. Then Reagan and Bush, threatened by Kerry's IranContra and later BCCI investigations had their team planting stories about Kerry looking for the camera spotlight to further his career not serious about investigations.

When Kerry was ostracized by most of DC during BCCI (even most of his own party) and exposing the illegal wars in Central America, he was then labeled as too aloof. Truth was, he was likely worried he would be assassinated - BCCI was serious stuff.

[Neil Lisst]

38. You need to update your data.

I know exactly who John Kerry is. I've supported him in races, literally and financially, I've helped him win races, and I've known him over 20 years. But he's a terrible public speaker. He rambles, he meanders, he fails to make a point. He was a much better speaker in the 70s and 80s than he is now.

He disappointed me down the stretch, me and many who thought he could have done much better. His failure to spend all his money, coupled with his caving after the election and not pursuing election fraud, make him unacceptable to me for the 2008 nomination. He had his shot.

[blm]

46. You don't know what he's doing to fix elections.

And it was the DNC's job to secure ALL machines for ALL Dem candidates and voters.

Funny how the party let Kerry and other candidates down here, but Kerry gets the blame = did you credit DNC for winning the debates, too?


The machines need securing BEFORE voting because the rigged machines are set up for ONETIME USE. Then erased. No evidence.

You expected something to happen afterwards that could never happen because there was no evidence.

He's in 3 lawsuits in Ohio that they had something provable. The erased machines had nothing.

It's easy to SAY Kerry folded, but I'd like you to name me one Demnocrat who would have been able to fight machine fraud the day after the voting.

Most Democrats don't even BELIEVE there is machine fraud - and those who heard about it before the election chose to NOT make an issue out of it before the election. Dean and Kucinich were both shown the machines' vulnerabilities but neither grasped it enough to make an issue out of it or campaign against them throughout the months before Nov 2.

[blm]

36. Man, if you didn't pick up the most important news in that whole Miller

dustup, then what have you been reading?

Didn't you NOTICE that Robert Parry wrote about the Miller dustup?

He spoke about machine fraud with Jonathan Winer, fer chrissakes.

Don't you get the significance?

Winer knows about the machine fraud, and that they are set up for onetime use.

If Winer knows this, it's because he's working on it FOR Kerry. Winer specializes in information security and helped Kerry uncover IranContra and BCCI.

If anything, Kerry said more than he should have to Miller. He doesn't need all this to be in any mainstream press at this point, especially with so many Dems in DC refusing to listen to anything about machine fraud. he can only expose it with ironclad prooof because he will only get ONE CHANCE to do so.

I wish Gore had dealt with voting fraud better after 2000. He had the time and should have had the motivation to expose it more as an issue. And he certainly has the intellect to tackle the complexities. Especially after 2002 voting problems.

[Ravy]

39. Personally, I am mad at progressives..

who would rather beat up on Democrats that go after Republicans.

[Neil Lisst]

40. well, I'm not mad at them, but I wish they would focus on the R's

As I am fond of saying, first we get the majority, THEN we settle scores with the ones who have been too close to the president and his goons. Get two votes over 50 in the Senate, then spank Joe Lieberman by stripping him of any important committee assignments.

But until then, "Joe, old buddy, how ya doin'?!"

[Ravy]

42. Yeah, mad was the wrong word. Disappointed is better.

I too will reserve mad for Republicans. And, the horses they rode in on.

[Neil Lisst]

43. You're my kind of Dem.

I'll engage in discussions about all Dems, but I don't want any of them to get out of the party. How I feel about someone as a congressman or senator is completely different from how I feel about them as a presidential candidate.

[seabeyond]

45. here here. makes no sense to me n/t

[upi402]

44. MEDIA betrayers of democracy and misleaders

enablers of sick, mpower mad, and greedy men.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. The best that can be said of politicians is that some aren't as corrupt

as others.

There are a miniscule few who actually give a rip about doing what's right rather than getting rich/famous/powerful. The majority are ambitious egomaniacs whose only priority is getting and keeping their bigshot status.

[DemonFighterLives]

49. I know where you're coming from Neil

Even before all the election fraud and before Bill got caught with his pants down, the dems shied away from him. If the Congress and the Senate would have stood by Clinton, we would not have lost both and ended up with a Contract On America.
Bill was great, but should have kept his pants on and should stay away from Poppy.
Gore should have not shunned Bill and should not have picked the clown :+ Lieberman. Gephardt at the time would have been a far better choice.

Gore was a little stiff at the time and has since come out of his shell better. He would make a great President. For DU'ers here who think we should not discuss what went wrong- pooey. Let us not forget that Gore presided over his own demise slapping the gavel on the Congressional Black Caucus and no Senator would stand up to the corrupt election.- See Fahrenheit 911 because I don't recall seeing it anywhere else.

Kerry was ok, but the primaries were shut down way too soon and I still believe Dean was blindsided by the media and DLC. The skull and boners had decided it would be dubby as pRes and therefore the lacklustre campaign.
I have lost faith in Bill (sleeping on Poppies floor) and Hill and Kerry.
Gore now Yes and Dean. I don't know where our hero will come from.
:rant: