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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:02 AM
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How to make a Republican stutter
Ask them why we haven't just had a simple vote in Iraq about whether the US should leave right now.

Democracy, and cognitive dissonance, at its finest.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:05 AM
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1. Is there a precedent for the populace voting
to stay in a war? That would make them stutter even worse. But I can't think of one.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:07 PM
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11. Civil wars aren't very conducive to conducting elections
but I like this approach for many reasons.

Republicans can't challenge the legitimacy of the election, because they've been crowing how democracy has already taken hold in Iraq, and maintain that the referenda already voted on are valid.

It gives the Republican leadership an out. Iraqis would almost certainly vote for us to leave, and the administration would be able to say, "hey, the people have spoken"--and thus save face when the country degenerates into complete chaos. It may actually help Republicans in the 2006 election if THEY bring up the idea -- that's why it must be proposed by a Democrat.

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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:09 PM
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17. Solid points, all
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:06 AM
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2. You would have to ask the Iraqis why they haven't..right? n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 11:06 AM by tx_dem41
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:08 AM
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3. WOuld provide an interesting response
Of course for some the answer would be easy; them Iraqis is a primative people. They can't be trusted to know whether or not we should be blowing them up.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:08 AM
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4. heh....I ask: What side were you on when BCCI was being investigated as a
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 11:09 AM by blm
terrorist bank - the side of investigators working to expose the funding of terrorism, or the side of international figures and financiers who wanted the documents regarding terror funding withheld from the public?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:01 PM
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10. exposing everything is fine by me
Call me an exhibitionist, but I have yet to encounter a situation in politics or foreign policy where the truth isn't best in the long run.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:24 PM
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16. Me too....show it all. Funny, when I ask GOPs about BCCI, they act like
they know all about it and always answer that they were for the investigation then are shocked to learn it was Kerry doing the investigating, and Bush and his cronies blocking the investigation.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:16 PM
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19. I've used that one too
And than remind them that Kerry did the investigation. :D
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:09 AM
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5. Has the US never had a referendum on anything?
Or even a plebiscite? It seems to me to be one of the only major western countries to have never done such a thing.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:11 AM
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6. OR, ask them if they're comfortable with outsourcing fighting terrorists
That's who Bush says "we're" fighting over there. That's who he expects the Iraqi's to "stand up" against so that we can "stand down".

Then ask him how long he's willing to pay taxes supporting them to maintain the same level of effectiveness that the US military has.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:13 AM
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7. So, ok, we are "fighting them over there so we don't have to
fight them over here".

Fine.

Are the Republicans ok, then, with using our soldiers as bait?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:17 AM
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8. That's the point!
You'll quickly hear the word "insurgents" to which you can ask, "Which is it? Terrorists or insurgents?"
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:55 PM
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20. General repukes probably wouldn't be able to get the difference
even with help from three dictionaries . . .
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:59 AM
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9. Ask them any question!
It seems to me if you ask a repug a question that doesn't have a talking point answer, they will stutter. Or if after the asking point answer, you ask for an elaboration, they will stutter.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:08 PM
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12. Even better: an "up or down" vote
they are so predictably fond of that terminology
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:09 PM
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13. I'd ask them if they'd support this war if Bill Clinton started it by
Fixing the facts around the policy of premptive war.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:13 PM
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14. "Pre-emptive" is a $10 word
for a $5 brain, but any mention of Clinton will certainly induce apoplexy.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:21 PM
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15. Now You're Hitting Below the Belt.
:evilgrin:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:11 PM
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18. That's a good one!
I like it. :D
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:04 PM
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21. Yes, very clever. TOO clever.

You damnable intellectual! They'll just get pissed off without really knowing why and then go and vote repeatedly for imaginary Republican presidents in the miniature replica voting station in their front room.
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