Does anyone else SOMETIMES fell like DU gets too LEFT?

[Dying Eagle]

Don't get me wrong, i'm pretty damn left (Universal health, anti-war, pro-choice, for gun control, ect. ect.) but sometimes people get a little nuts on here.

I can say i agree with about 95% of posts on here but sometimes people can get a bit out there.

Anyone else feel this way ever?




LET ME UPDATE ON EDIT: What I think is "too left" or "too center" don't matter. Its what YOU feel like. That is what I am trying to gage from DU this evening.

No, I wont give examples (now that I can think of some), i think that would start a flame war and it is not what the post is intended for.

[Richardo]

1. .

:popcorn:

[Fenris]

4. Mind if I join you?

:popcorn:

[Richardo]

15. Not at all. Free refills if you buy a Large.

And you can put on your own yellow-grease-butter-like product. :9

[Dying Eagle]

19. LOL

Yep, I may get a little beat up, enjoy the show!!

[knight_of_the_star]

151. I'll have some of that too

:popcorn:

Is it too late to start a pool on how long until someone says, "Not left enough"?

[mike_c]

157. not left enough....

Not by a long shot.

:popcorn:

[all.of.me]

212. i agree. not progressive/radical/left enough.

[roguevalley]

203. no. not usually. of course, during election time, it can feel that way.

;)

[Crazy Guggenheim]

152. Hey everyone! I just arrived Great seats huh?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Stew225]

236. No one will see this post at this position but

I have to comment on Crazy's post: great line, figuratively speaking of course. Ya know, sometimes the best stuff is in the back/middle row.

[No Exit]

246. I honestly found DU to be too far RIGHT today, on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5473381

DUers getting all sweet on a military recruiter who showed up in full uniform at a KIDS' PROM.

There are also war cheerleaders on that thread. One of them told me "kumbaya". Mind you, I'm a poster who was always supportive of republican causes in the past, and even (cringe!) voted for George W. Bush in 2000. And some twit on HERE tells me "kumbaya" b/c I speak out against war. Puh-leeze. I haven't heard such b.s. since I used to post anti-Bush posts on a wingnut site.

(PS In case people don't know, I despise Bush/Cheney and have vowed to never vote republican again, ever, for any reason.)

[marylanddem]

2. No. nt

[Mojorabbit]

3. yep but it takes all kinds.....eom

[Patsy Stone]

5. It's a big tent. :) n/t

[Dying Eagle]

10. Big tent for sure.

Thats what makes it nice. Differnt ideas comming together.

I just get frustrated sometimes with some people.

[Terran]

233. I get frustrated too

with the people here who indulge in absurd "knee-jerk" reactions to the smallest things, but also the many many people here who can't get a clue about basic progressive ideas.

Example of knee-jerk: being told "Merry Christmas" and then starting a thread ranting about how oppressed they felt by it.

Example of clueless: people who refuse to see how slavery has benefited them even though their family didn't come to the US until after slavery was abolished ("I'm not responsible!").

I will not ever say that DU is too liberal, because, overall, the knee-jerks don't hurt anything, they're just silly. But the clueless people clearly have some things to learn.

[Debi]

28. Did you mean to say

'It's a big tent sweetie darling'?

Watched Ab Fab marathon this past weekend :hi:

[Patsy Stone]

57. Sweetie, darling

I did mean that.

I watched it too. I don't care how many times I see them, I laugh as though it was the first time. Cheers! :toast:

[Debi]

61. Kiss Kiss

:hi:

[tenshi816]

204. OT - My best friend met Joanna Lumley over the weekend

at a Compassion in World Farming charity dinner in London. CWF work to end live transport of animals for slaughter, and Lumley is a patron of the charity.

My friend Heather said that Joanna Lumley is a lovely, very kind woman and nothing like Patsy in AbFab! She's also a tireless worker for animal charities.

Here's their photo:



I don't have any idea why they're holding that framed photograph though.

[im10ashus]

78. LOVE Ab Fab.

Can watch it over and over and still laugh my ass off.


To the OP: No. I can be as far left as I need be.

[rman]

184. On the Right side it is, not on the Left.

According to certain individuals.

[LostinVA]

6. Examples?

[Dying Eagle]

17. nothing off hand

I tried to think of something specific, but this is more a feeling i have been meaning to post more then it being is response to any one thing.

[Greyhound]

79. Go to the gungeon and read posts from

MrBenchly and BillBuckhead, then read some of the other posts to see the opposite. It's really funny! :rofl: Some of these guys take this BBS shit way too seriously.

[sendero]

99. I'll give you mine..

... the folks who have been insisting for years now that Bush is going to declare marshall (sic) law and round up all detractors.

He's the wizard of Oz, there is nothing behind the green curtain except a scared little boy-man. He's not declaring martial jack-shit.

:)

[Beam Me Up]

172. Yeah. But who put him there and who keeps him there, that's the question.

Bush is, less than a figurehead, a distraction. Love him, hate him, who cares--so long as your attention is directed at him. He IS the slight of hand behind which something truly evil lurks.

Just my opinion, of course.

To hell with pop corn. I have a fatty. ... Then I'll have the pop corn.

[sendero]

216. Yeah..

... and put it in a bowl, it will taste better than way :)

[thebigidea]

173. no kidding!

some years back at my most paranoid, post-9/11, cannibanoid-fueled hysteria, it looked like these fuckers were the new Nazis...

as if! Ha! These stupid bastards couldn't muster up 1/753750357th the efficiency... they are way too incompetent. I take back all my Bush/Hitler art of the time, it seems kind of embarassing now.

While at first I dreaded his second term, this year has proven that these assholes are made of cardboard...

they were riding high for a while, though, eh?

[Qibing Zero]

192. That's left? Are you sure?

I don't think having suspicions about the president being insane, corrupt, or just plain evil have anything to do with being more left than the DU average. =P

[radwriter0555]

162. You can never be too liberal, too democratic, too "left", too ethical and

too honest.

Values are values. You either have them or you're republican.

[TahitiNut]

165. BRAVO!

:thumbsup:

[bliss_eternal]

170. Well said, radwriter!

:applause:

[vw.tech]

243. Your joking right?

Umm Wasnt that kinda childish? I mean I am a Dem, but C'mon...

[displacedtexan]

7. No. (eom)

[benburch]

8. I feel it gets too politically correct and too centrist. nt

[BlueEyedSon]

25. Seconded.

[gumby]

40. Thirded

[leftstreet]

52. Fourthed. Is that even a word?

[G_j]

64. fifthed n/t :-)

[TahitiNut]

88. Sixthed.

:eyes:

[starmaker]

89. seventhed for all truth n/t

[Bjornsdotter]

95. Ditto n/t

[Synnical]

140. Ah, Ninth-ed

Too moderate many times for my taste. Atheism is apparently taboo in GD these days. And I'm also anti-gun.

Regardless, I stick around. I read more than I write - DU is a good news source and I enjoy reading the discussions, input, and information provided by posters.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

227. Tenthed? n/t

[conflictgirl]

144. Lucky (??) number ten, joining the chorus. nt

[Castilleja]

153. I would agree...To the tenth power

(oops, ok 11th power?) But there is a diversity of thought, and that is a good thing. I hate to see lockstep thinking and people attempting to herd everyone else as a strategy to appear unified. Bugs me.

[DarkTirade]

196. Political correctness can suck my...

hmmm... would it be politically incorrect to finish that sentance? :P

[x50600]

220. agreed

This website is WAY to far to the right. There are too many that just arnt progressive enough, they think that we'll do all the work for them. I say to them, WAKE UP and start pulling your own weight.

[zanne]

230. Sometimes it goes too far to the right.

Just when you think you're in a liberal forum, someone brings up the gun issue and the NRA members here start foaming at the mouth.

[x50600]

235. Then why do we take it?

I thought we didnt allow republicans to post? Personally i own a weapon, and i hate it. I only have it to scare away criminals. Personally i would never support the NRA the fascist group of neonazis....

[LostinVA]

252. Since when can't Republicans post? New one on me

And I've been lurking an posting on DU for quite a while.

Please tell me where you heard that, because it's quite wrong.

[BrainRants]

9. IMHO, almost anything left of center is good.

We're all a little nuts to varying degrees! :)

I'll go so far as to throw in that those who are slightly right of center aren't too bad on the whole either.

[Fridays Child]

22. On the other hand, too far left of center can start looking right...

[QC]

65. Yep, as the French say, "Les extrèmes se touchent." n/t

[whatever4]

11. When I am called names

for being a libertarian, before I even have a chance to state my views, it feels a little too left. Were I a rabid "I got mine and f you" type libertarian, I wouldn't be here. Were I out to shill over conservative points of view, I'd have NEVER admitted to being libertarian.

But, I still got insulted, my views forgotten over rants about libertarians, and on and on. Helps the cause. Sure. And for any conservatives that might be starting to change their mind? I guess it's "f" them too, for all the chance they get.

Democrats want to represent America...but on here, only democrats need comment, only party-line views are worth discussing? And this is "rules"?

Yeah, just a touch too left. 's a little commie, and not in a nice way.

[annabanana]

"a little commie".? . . . for those here under the age of 23 or so

you'll have to tell them what a "commie" is.

[MissMarple]

59. Commie, pinko, commiesymp, fellow traveler...

Red scare promoting, America hating, anti capitalist, Communist sympathizer. In other words, McCarthy's worst nightmare. ;)

[radio4progressives]

56. That's not be too left, that's being too fascistic - a HUGE difference

it's conflating the meaning of Leftist with Fascists.

they are two polar opposites.

there is a "party-first" (above all) mentality with a *few* here. but i don't think that mind-set is representative of the majority or I wouldn't read and post on this board at all.

I'm a leftist. but i also have what some refer to as "libertarian" views on some issues - particularly when it comes down to privacy rights and civil liberties. (libertarian) I'm also a fierce defender of social justice and economic equality. (Left Progressive).

I believe strongly in the bill of rights, including the 2nd amendment. i believe first amendment protects not only free speech, freedom of the press and freedom to worship religion, i believe it protects the separation of church and state, protection of those who choose not to worship - and that is evidenced in the draft papers of that amendment.

And...

I do not believe that the 14th amendment nor the 1st amendment is or should be given prima facia protection for Corporations to use money as a form of free speech or to be considered as having the same constitutional protections and rights as individual citizens.


but I digress...

people tend not challenge their assumptions, and that's at the core of the problem i think.

[Qibing Zero]

195. Fuck you and your social darwinism!

...





Just keeping you on your toes. ;)


...but really, fuck social darwinism!

[lildreamer316]

12. Just the opposite...

I am amazed to see the amount of people who post here "playing devil's advocate"; and doing it on a consistant basis. I am all for objectively trying to see all sides of the story, but don't we have the rest of the media for the opposing viewpoint? It's scary sometimes.

[Chuletas]

18. a little leftist

but as long as the discourse continues I'm fine. I don't like getting beat up everytime I post a centrist viewpoint but that's the way the internet is.

[silverweb]

13. No.

Absolutely not. How do you have any kind of real discussion without a range of ideas?

[Neil Lisst]

14. I have a litmus test - one size fits all.

Are you going to vote the party?

If you're not, you fail the test. If you are, I don't care if you worship Eugene Debs or Al From. But if you don't vote the party, I could care less about your causes. You're helping the Pubs.

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[TankLV]

148. What'd they! say?! What'd they say?! Damn - I missed it - again!

[Ravy]

145. Ding! Ding! Ding! Agree wholeheartedly...

Vote for the best in the primaries, but when it comes to a general election, if you don't vote for the Dems, you are enabling the Republicans.

For all of their faults, the Dems are far, far better than the Republicans. If you can't see that, then you aren't looking very hard.

[EFerrari]

181. Well, put me down first on your flunk list.

Because I stopped voting the party five years ago.

Just so there is no confusion.

[DanCa]

16. Not really the level of nastiness and flaming are more bothersome.

That said i think DU is wonderful and I really appreciate my surrogate cyber family on these boards..

[Dying Eagle]

26. Yes

The flaming and bashing of Presidential candidates for 2008 is already getting old......and its only 11.05.....:(

[donco6]

156. I agree with you.

I can take the political discussions, even if they're to the left of me - heck, I've even been conviced by some of them. But the sheer nastiness of people sometimes can be a turn off. I just hate snotty comments thrown from behind a cyber screen.

[ret5hd]

20. c'mon...examples, links, SOMETHING to go on here...

or do ya' just like stirrin' a pot sometimes?

[Dying Eagle]

32. pot stirring....no

just getting a feel of the temperature of DU right now.

[LostinVA]

35. I already asked once... no examples.

[LittleClarkie]

174. That would get the thread locked I think

I don't think referring to other threads, with the possible result being a flamefest, is considered cool.

[LostinVA]

210. I just have a bit of a problem with a blanket statement like this

What the heck is "too left"? My Conservative Dad would say one person-one vote is "too left."

IMO, if accusations are made or labels applied, then it would be beneficial -- and fair -- to at least have the OP list general examples. No direct threads need to be referenced.

[Debi]

21. Should we start monitoring our posts so that we're not perceived as

Too Left? :yoiks:

[sui generis]

23. define "too left"

everyone has their personal gripe.

For instance, I think sometimes we go overboard with grammar police and P.C. police; among ourselves, but I don't consider that "too left".

I've heard some stuff about redistributing wealth and a few things that border on economic socialism that I disagree with but even so nothing I can qualify as "too left".

Just stuff that I have reason to disagree with. We're not really on a linear scale.

[IntravenousDemilo]

24. Maybe if I were an American, but as a Canuck I'd have to say

DU seems pretty middle-of-the-road.

[buff2]

27. NO

[BillZBubb]

29. Yeah, let's shut up all those leftist loonies!!!!!!

We need some good old fashioned censorship here to keep things the way us sane people want them.

:sarcasm:

[Mutley]

58. So, should Dying Eagle be censored?

Would you like to shut him up because he expressed an opinion about DU that you don't like?

[MisterP]

85. note the sarcasm tag

[tx_dem41]

30. Nope. I never have noticed that.

:evilgrin:

better add one of these too....

:sarcasm:

[557188]

31. DU is to far to the Right

I actually get disgusted at how non progressive some people on this site are.

To far left haha.

[Debi]

53. You mean, in the last three weeks you've been able to make that judgment

about people on this board?


Welcome to DU BTW :hi:

Hope to see you here for a while longer.

[557188]

81. I lurked a lot longer than 3 weeks

And nothing has changed.

[Debi]

84. Welcome all the same n/t

[Stephanie]

33. No n/t

[HereSince1628]

34. No, we haven't taken up a collection to buy Chavez rifles, y.e.t.

[wiley]

76. Really. The Chavez Issue!

Come on. Like he needs money from the US or anywhere else to buy rifles? Because of the greedy little corporate piglets that run oil companies or benefit from their stock dividends he could easily buy them directly from whomever he wanted to. And American gun manufacturers would chew off their right leg for the opportunity to sell them to him. Like Chavez needs our help! Isn't the state of Maine about to make some deal with him for heating oil? When you have * and a Repuke controlled Congress, Chavez has all the help he needs!

[LostinVA]

86. But that's just because some DUers won't do the background

checks...

:spank: :spank: :spank:

[AValdoux]

36. I agree but...

...its a discussion board. The variety of opinions is part of what is interesting. Its not like we only get our information here and we should all agree. For those of us in Red Areas, this is the only place to get into a non-GOP talking point discussion. So I can't complain about things being a little left sometimes. Hopefully, for most people, the discussion threads are just a start in finding information.


AValdoux

[enid602]

37. yes

Yes, but we can only thank GWB for this phenomenon. A drastic swing to the right will most likely be followed by an equal swing to the left.

[ginnyinWI]

38. it's not so much a problem of "too left" but

I see a problem of narrow-mindedness in some. Like there is one single litmus test that every person and especially every Dem politician must pass, or else they deserve to be flamed.

The concept of "big tent" is supposed to allow for some divergence of opinion. And some are too quick to judge even though they don't know the whole story about an issue that comes up.

Then there are some who trash some Dem politicians or the Dem party altogether, stating that they are leaving and voting Green from now on, etc. Well, this is Democratic Underground, a place for Democrats to discuss the issues, not a place to trash Democrats. Constructive criticism, yes--angry emotional rants, no.

[Fenris]

42. My thoughts exactly.

Thank you.

[julianer]

186. I thought it was for democrats

not Democrats. If it is I shouldn't be here.

[sellitman]

39. I feel we aren't left enough.

My views are Socialist in nature and anything right of that is conservative in my book.

:shrug:

[Don Claybrook]

41. uh.......no

.

[ugarte]

43. You talkin' to me?

[NorthELiberal]

109. Che.........

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[julianer]

187. Hey ugarte

I just nicked your Che photo!

And I'm not apologising!

[ugarte]

232. I checked with Che

And it's cool.

[Touchdown]

44. The left is dead. It died with the Soviet Union.

We are Americans with American values. Any questions?

[ulysses]

128. no questions. odd sentiment, though.

[Touchdown]

155. Liberalism/progressivism in the Madison/Jefferson sense is not leftist.

It's just what the GOP calls "leftist".

[ulysses]

249. seems like semantics to me

but no biggie.

[MissMarple]

45. Organizing liberals is a bit like herding cats.

The anti war/anti gun folks can wig out a bit. But they are still good people. We can't agree on everything.

And sometimes folks get invested in a particular solution to a problem and may not be able or ready to see that another way may work out out as well or better.

I think it's amazing that most of us agree on as much as we do. Organizing liberals around certain strategies is a bit like herding cats. I think I already said that. :)

[yankeedem]

46. Conspiracy theories are my pet peeve

When I start seeing the 9/11 ones, I usually check out. You can believe that a missile was shot into the Pentagon by the Mossad while the plane was flown to Bermuda, where Barbara Olsen writes anti-Hillary screeds to this day, but I feel it dishonors all of us by making us look like kooks.

But I defend your right (those who advocate these theories, not YOU dying eagle) to say it.

[Odin2005]

96. The conspiracy theories annoy me to.

The Skull and bones BS is starting to sound a lot like the Anit-masonic nuts back in the early 1800's. And I still haven't figured out what BFEE means yet

[yankeedem]

98. BFEE

Bush Family Evil Empire- not a conspiracy theory per se, but some take it too far.

You're right, skull and bones BS annoys me. Like ambition wouldn't trump a frat relationship any day of the week.

[redacted]

122. W sneezed today and used a white handkerchief proving his great

grandfather's second cousin spawned the actual assassin of JFK.

[DarkTirade]

198. That's not proof...

just strong evidence.

[zippy890]

205. I agree, the tin foil hat stuff gets tedious

but I just ignore them. Thats not leftist, though, just a bit paranoid, which is understandable in the context of things, I just feel it lacks credibility.

People do have a right to express their opinions, like you say.

[marions ghost]

47. what's "too left"??

besides your implication of 'nuts'?

If you agree with 95% of posts on here you're pretty flexible. Why worry about (what you perceive as) the other 5%?

[peacebaby3]

48. Sometimes. I'm also surprised at how there are subjects on here where I am

much more liberal than a lot of the posters as well. It goes both ways. There are just a lot of varying opinions and I think in order to get along we have to accept that we are rarely going to agree with all people, 100% of the time. I get frustrated sometimes, but I move on. I usually think really hard before I hit the post message button if I am frustrated and quite often just don't post in that particular thread if I can't disagree and be civil at the same time. I have started a couple of threads that I got bashed on, but oh well, not everyone is going to agree with me or have lived my life and had my experiences that help to form my opinions. Same is true for everyone.

Having said all of that, I am very happy to be able to come to a place and have (for the most part) intelligent, reasonable conversations with other people about liberal issues. I am in a very red (although it is not as red now) state so I need this place.

Thanks DU! :D

[Fescue4u]

49. You can never be to far left

The left is all about the people.

[DarkTirade]

199. I almost have to disagree there...

it's like the idea of being 'too' nice. Some people are, and they get walked over by a lot of people, sometimes people who don't even mean to.
I think the same thing can happen with governments. Governments do need to be stern and set rules sometimes, even if they're rules that make some people unhappy. If you try too hard to please everybody, you'll end up pleasing nobody.
Just my $0.02. :)

[MrBenchley]

50. It gets TOO something, that's for sure....

But then I was just in another thread in which somebody attacking Hillary for not being "left" enough posted a photo from a website that included the anti-Semitic hoax Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a freeperish rant blaming Bill Clinton for 9/11, and a piece cheering for racist Tom Tancredo...

All of that, evidently seemed "left" or "progressive" to him.

[Mutley]

51. No, there's room for leftists of all kinds on this site

and in the Democratic Party as a whole. Sometimes DU gets a little left for me, but never enough to make me consider leaving.

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. Nope. Sure don't. Some days I think this place

is Moderate, "Sensible Center" DU.....depending on who's posting that day. They know who they are. The people who want our party to be repuke-lite and not give the people a CHOICE between Democrats or Repukes. No, DU can never be TOO far left for me.

[graywarrior]

55. Tweety thinks only far left wing nuts are the only ones who

dislike Dimson. So I guess that's us.

[Leeny]

60. What's "too left"?

I haven't found the far edge of "left" yet. Eeeh gads! Does that make me a freak?
:silly:

[GreenPartyVoter]

62. Not so much, no

[Kashka-Kat]

63. Well, I get kind of tired of everything being framed in LEFT vs RIGHT

terms, intellectually its lots more fun when people are creatively thinking outside of boxes... which is 1 reason why I tend to move in "left" circles, actually-- because in general they (we) are more nuanced thinkers willing to look at the shades of gray. But often you run into people here who seem as rigidly partisan in their thinking as the righties are in theirs.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "out there" or "too left"? Define please!

[oxbow]

239. YOU'RE RIGHT...It's not left and right

it's up and down, haves and nots, those who have access to our government because of their money and power, and those who don't.

To me, left and right is mostly a side show where people waste their energy. That's why I don't post in the threads about culture wars anymore. Those issues are so insignifcant when it comes to the big picture. We should be worrying about how to break the link between money and government, how to save the environment from meltdown, not what people think about owning guns.

[Quixote1818]

66. Their are a few on DU who are very close minded

I see a fair amount of group-think on DU but not nearly as much as I have seen on Free-republic. Still those who think the left has a corner on the truth are almost as dangerous as those who claim Christians and Republicans have a corner on the truth. Democracy is about working together and balance. Unfortunately the country is off balance and needs to move left but those who think liberals have all the answers make me nervous. Free Debate and trial and error are the best way to find truth NOT liberal or conservative ideology.

[rodeodance]

69. nicely said.

.....Still those who think the left has a corner on the truth are almost as dangerous as those who claim Christians and Republicans have a corner on the truth.

[Quixote1818]

87. Thanks

That line has a lot of Thomas Jefferson's philosophy in it. TJ is a great teacher.

[incapsulated]

67. Sure

There have been times that I felt that way.

But I've also gotten into fierce arguments with self-described "centrists", however.

DU is left-of-center. Some people think it's infested with "centrists" but that's not reality-based. People who post here are way to the left of the majority of their fellow citizens. And occasionally, to myself.

[Carni]

146. Most of the DU posters (myself included) sound like 70's *squares*

In my parents day to me...

I don't mean this to get people all pissed off but I find DU to be normally pretty moderate.

I am only 40 but I have to say just based on my experience the repukes today are WAYYYYYYYYY OUT THERE --the so called left are not really that left.

No,this site isn't a bastion of right wingers but on the other hand I think it's pretty mainstream...the bush idiots are the ones IMO who are totally out of the realm of any kind of reality.

[incapsulated]

150. Moderate on *some* issues

But I still say we are to the left of the mainstream. Even within the party, we are the left. Any time that Political Matrix test is posted, for instance, we are all sitting in the lower right-hand corner with Chomsky, myself included, for whatever that's worth! ;)

Now, the right are way out there, I agree. But they have the microphone and have been pushing this country to the right for decades. That makes those of us who are garden variety liberals into commie radicals by comparison, because of the propaganda, as you said. But not in reality.

We stand with the mainstream on big issues like choice and gun control and even now they are coming to our side on Iraq. But if you had Joe or Jane America read a GD thread with posters calling the insurgents "freedom fighters"... they would be ready to deport the lot of us, lol.

[Carni]

223. When you say the freedom fighters thing I see what you mean

I see your point I guess I am just trying to say what used to be considered mainstream is being called left now.

[Double T]

68. Sometimes you have got to get TOO LEFT..........

to compensate for the FAAAAAAAAAAR RIGHT. All LEFT LEANING opinions and ideas welcome, no matter to what degree.

[wiley]

70. Yeah. Too left and unwittingly rasist and heterosupremacist.

I'm more annoyed by Freepers and Trolls that espouse really radical leftists views just to get people all whipped up into a frenzy.

I definitely don't agree with 95% of the posts here.

[acmejack]

217. Then why are you here?

[davekriss]

71. Not me, not left enough (eom)

[okieinpain]

72. yes, but it's fun. I always enjoy discussions around giving birth

control to teenagers under 16, or no death sentences for murders, no matter how horrible the crime. :~)

[saskatoon]

73. Anyone else feel this way ever?

|HELL NO!

[NoPasaran]

74. Sometimes you feel like a nut...

...sometimes you don't!

[seabeyond]

75. yup n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

77. Yes, definitely.

[Quixote1818]

80. Thanks for asking the question. It's important that we take a look at

ourselves from time to time and not get too wrapped up in thinking we are gods gift to mankind. Humility and self-reflection are important and their is NOTHING more valuable than having a devils advocate or dissenter to keep people thinking and considering all sides of a debate.

The BIGGEST problem with the Bush Administration is Group-think and claiming to have a corner on the truth. Lets not make the same mistakes they have made! An open mind is the most valuable mind!

[Dying Eagle]

83. well said

:toast:

[meisje]

82. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[greiner3]

91. I thought;

That Clinton was way to right. Where does that put me?

[dae]

97. Just about even with me. :)

[DarkTirade]

200. That is something that a lot of people overlook or forget

He wasn't exactly a lefty.

[LostinVA]

253. Agreeing with this major pinko...

[sadiesworld]

92. There's a lot of corporate and DLC-type "influence"

so it's a bit difficult for me to say DU is too far "left". OTOH, some days I think open support for NAMBLA is just around the corner, so I may see where you're going here.

The bottom line is that we really don't know who most of the people are who post here, or what agenda they may have. Some of the more outrageous posters could be trolls, black ops or bored teenagers (not meant as a knock on the self-identified teen posters here).

[oblivious]

141. yup.

[Catherine Vincent]

93. Better too left than too right.

[Behind the Aegis]

94. yup!

[erinlough]

100. Never have felt it....

feels like a breath of fresh air to me, but then I live in a right wing area.

[Bouncy Ball]

103. No, but then this is the only place I can get some serious

leftness, so I do enjoy it.

[Fleshdancer]

104. no....

it's called Democratic UNDERGROUND. It's suppose to be way to the left IMO. Sometimes I feel like it goes too mainstream at times actually.

[leftofthedial]

105. not on my left-est leftist day

[Lannes]

106. Yes

Its like the old Japanese saying "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down".It works like that on DU at times.

It isnt polite disagreement but charges of being "republican lite" for not walking in lockstep.Being too far to the left can be just as dangerous as being too far to the right.History is replete with examples.

[julianer]

188. I'm sure its tough for centrists

but us lefties are regularly called 'mad'.

My view is that left = democracy. The farther left you are the more democracy you want - including in the workplace for us mad extremists. If you are centrist or rightist you tend to make reference to 'the real world' or 'common sense' which really means the status quo.

[WHAT]

107. NO...

What the hell is your handle suppose to connotate, anyway?...

[FreedomAngel82]

108. Sometimes I think so

The thing I love about the democratic party as a whole is we're not all a like. That's the republican way and I don't like that. I like having differenting views from the conservative Clinton's to the way left-field Kennedy's. Plus, I love the fact religion doesn't play a factor even though I'm a Christian we can all appreciate each other just as citizen's and not treat anyone any more important because of race, gender, sexuality etc. The board itself I think so sometimes. But this is a progressive board as stated in the rules. Oh and I'm VERY far left too. :D

[Syncronaut Seven]

110. Dupe, double post

.

[Syncronaut Seven]

111. Only people I know who are too left are living in trees right now

But here's a partial list from Portland Indymedia for perspective.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/329113.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/329262.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/328857.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/329347.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/329205.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/10/327251.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/03/312597.shtml

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/static/prisonlegislation.shtml

[Skidmore]

112. Not one bit.

[Karenina]

113. Clearly you are the dying eagle.

:cry:

[troubleinwinter]

114. NO

[philosophie_en_rose]

115. No. n/t.

[RebelOne]

116. OK, I am pretty far left. I am pro-choice and anti-war,

I'm for the death penalty if the accused is convicted of rape or murder of women or children. I advocate gun control to a certain extent, because I believe that every person should have the right to own guns for self-defense. And universal health is a big plus.

[DarkTirade]

201. That's something that makes sense...

that a lot of people on both sides of the particular issue forget...
There isn't just pro-gun or anti-gun... there's also the middle groun (and I wouldn't be surprised if we were a majority there too) people who are pro-gun-CONTROL. :)

[MisterP]

117. the "far left" can occasionally make me uncomfortable, but that discomfort

is a whole different creature than the nausea the right induces in me, so I guess I know which one to take, eh?

[redacted]

118. I get annoyed with the conspiracy theories. And sometimes I feel like

banging people's heads together. They will post something -- let's say a random document. And then they will make these huge leaps of fact and assumption.

I would like to say -- hey correlation is not causation. But sometimes there isn't even a correlation -- it's like: "GWB sneezed, that is a sign that his grandad orchestrated the Korean conflict for oil money."

And sometimes people are way more influenced by emotion than logic, but hey -- I suppose that's true for the universe not just DU.

[stop the bleeding]

119. "fell" or "feel" with that kind of grammar you can't be too left. LOL!

Just kidding, I'm with ya just wanted to break some stones.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


and yes you will always have extremist in any situation including DU.

[shanti]

120. N-O.

[SmokingJacket]

121. No, I agree with every single post 100%.

:eyes:

Duh. Lots of people, lots of different opinions. So you're at one end of the spectrum; others are at the other.

[ladjf]

123. No. Not left enough.

[bluestateguy]

124. Sure

When the gun issue comes up, or sometimes when feminist issues come up. I've discovered that there are talking points that you have to repeat over and over again, and that if you don't, why, you are a sexist pig.

[rockymountaindem]

125. Yes, I think DU is often to the left of my personal views.

But y'all have my permission to believe whatever you want ;)

[pitohui]

129. i think there is definitely some silly season stuff

it's open to question whether some of the more "out there" nonsense should be recognized as a valid part of the left

example -- there is nothing inherently progressive or leftist abt being involved in food faddism and nutty diets, if you think you are better progressive than i because you eat soy then i am apt to conclude that you are a silly person

i could give other examples, but since even orwell griped about the sandal-wearing vegetarians giving socialists a bad name, then i feel i'm in pretty good company to offer that particular gripe

[Neil Lisst]

130. I don't think there is such a thing as too far left.

The body politic benefits from a thorough daily airing out of who we are and what we believe. The collective helps to shape the national dialogue, therefore the comments that create the collective help shape the national dialogue.

I am an advocate of free speech and lots of it. Let everyone say what they want to say, in civil tones, and then rebut them in equally civil tones.

I state my opinions, which will vary from others here on any number of topics, but in stating them I'm not seeking to shout down or eliminate the comments of others. Everyone contributes something, from the chronic DLC defenders to the chronic DLC attackers. They're both right, BTW.

[ulysses]

131. now see, I enjoy these kinds of posts

in which somebody resurrects a common boogeyman but offers no concrete example of the offending behavior (lest the thread become a flame war, after all - or lest someone actually refute the claim), leaving the accusation to sit there like a turd on the mantle.

It's a common tactic among certain talk-radio hosts. Its excellent use here is most appreciated. Bravo! :applause:

edited to remove a commie...er, comma...

[LostinVA]

134. hehehehehhehe

[cascadiance]

132. NO, in fact I'm more concerned when they censor...

sites like anti-war.com carte blanche, without considering the specific articles being linked to. Chris Deliso had a lot of good articles on Sibel Edmonds that UPI used for it's content, and was being actively censored here just for some anti-semitic content that I've yet to see. It's really too bad that some news doesn't get more coverage, and in some instances we are doing more to prevent it than we are in getting it out, which saddens me, especially on a day like today when Sibel Edmonds had the muzzle sealed on her face without enough of us informed enough and incensed enough to be able to protest against it!

If there is anti-semitic info on a site, I'd like to think we're adult and informed enough to point that out and still be able to look at articles for what they are. If I see an article that has any redeeming quality that has such content, I make sure and point it out in my references to it here.

[foreigncorrespondent]

133. ROFLMAO

These kinds of threads make me laugh.

Someone starts a thread which very easily could turn into flames. Then doesn't offer up any examples to back up what they say, because they are worried about flames.

[Lorien]

135. No. I grew up in the 70's as part of a liberal family in a college town

Most of the posters here seem far to the right of the people I knew during they heyday of liberalism.

[LittleClarkie]

136. True Confessions: I sometimes think DU is to not Democrat

I don't care how far to the left you are, but when I get the feeling you are sorta campaigning against Dems, it bugs me some.

[Pirate Smile]

159. I'm right there with you on that one, LittleClarkie - "I don't care how

far to the left you are, but when I get the feeling you are sorta campaigning against Dems, it bugs me some."

[Blasphemer]

137. Not at all

All things considered, there is fairly good representation of all left of center views. I think the "nuttiness" is less about specific views and how far left they are and more about how dogmatic some of us can be about our views. We are not an accurate cross-section of the American public and I think a natural frustration occurs when we are debating issues in this kind of "closed" environment when those same issues take on a very different color when faced within the context of the reality of the American culture we live in. Sometimes it's hard to really analyze politicians and political decisions because bad politicking isn't distinguished from bad politics. I would also say that the anti-corporate nature of DU makes some debates difficult. But, too far left? No.

[SPKrazy]

138. Not too far left

but at times (as a reader) I've felt that a lot of posters in the past like to rag on religion. Though I'm not a big fan of organized religion, I do belong to one and have strong beliefs in a higher power.

I say to each his/her own for their beliefs, but there is no reason to bash religion.

One does not have to be an atheist to be a liberal.

My belief is that the ultimate liberal was the character of Jesus Christ (whether you believe in him as a literal person of history, or just the story) as he stood for the down trodden against the establishment of the (then) modern way of thinking.

Thanks

[julianer]

190. Hey Christ was no damned liberal

he was a socialist!

[SPKrazy]

254. A socialist?

Not so sure about that.

He didn't advocate for the government providing for the people.

He did advocate for the people taking care of the people.

Some might interpret that as a society that elects a government to carry out the wishes of the people, to provide for them.

But that is an interpretation.

Thanks

[Hubert Flottz]

206. The bible thumpers want to trash anyone who don't agree with

their idea of right and wrong! * They started it! The fools should worry about what THEY, do instead of what I do! What I do is none of their business, but they don't see it that way! If you have to go to a church full of hypocrites and vain materialistic assholes, who try and impress each other by trashing everyone else on the planet and by driving the biggest newest Caddy on the church parking lot, then I'll pass on going to a Heaven full of liars and cheats!

[SPKrazy]

255. Okay, but don't paint all "Christians" as being bible thumpers!

I can agree with you that what you do is none of my business, and visa versa I hope.

Those that spend their time telling others how to live, should take a look in the mirror, or look down at their pointed finger and notice that there are 3 fingers pointing back!

Thanks

[Hubert Flottz]

257. Most who go to church are anything but "Christians," it seems to

me.

God never told "Christians" to go forth and support torture, murder, theft, lying, cheating, tax dodging, judging others, revenge, bigotry, adultery, child molestation, playing with snakes, marrying a half dozen 13 year old little girls against their will, gossiping, coveting, begrudging what others have, worshiping nothing but money, or George Bush, nosing into everyone else's business, back-stabbing and wearing all that Tammy Faye Baker make-up.

Fair Weather(Faux)"Christians" ALWAYS take it upon themselves to tell us all that, it's "God's will." I'll bet God don't even mention most of the arrogant, self-serving, hypocrites in his will. The example your TV "Christians" are setting, creates a lot of the church's problems.

I'm not "PAINTING" anyone with ANYTHING, they do the painting themselves! They even paint themselves fools and fakes on coast to coast TV 24/7! They paint themselves up like common whores and parade around on TV mostly bumming cash and hardly even talking about GOD. I've known people who were self proclaimed "Christians" all my life and I've seen very few who REALLY walked the walk!

Okay...you can go ahead and dream about how much better you are than me now.

Edit...IMHO..."Christians" should try a little forgiveness once in a while, it feels very good.

[Just Me]

139. "too left"? What's that?

:shrug: Do you have a gauge or line or limit you can share?

[leesa]

142. Nope.

[PowerToThePeople]

143. Not far enough left most of the time imo. n/t

[TankLV]

147. You're kidding, right?

I'm just disappointed that not EVERYONE agrees with me 100% of the time on ALL issues! It's a real downer.

:sarcasm:

[haydukelives]

149. no

[SofaKingLiberal]

154. LOL - F NO

[medeak]

158. will pm you n/t

[DFLforever]

160. No. It seems slightly left of center much of the time.

And pathetically centrist(DLC) at other times.

[Freedomfried]

161. Does this website support the Democratic Party, or purely Democratic

principles?


In my opinion, he 2 are not the same by any stretch of the imagination.

[TroubleMan]

163. LOL....I think it strays too far to the right most of the time

Still love DU though. It's my internet home.

[Tom Joad]

164. What i have a problem with is the hate posts...

"I hate all republicans" Meaning not just those in political office, but the guy at the 7-11 or the fellow at work and so on. Most of us have Republican family members who we care about.

So I would not describe it as "too left" but more as too hateful. I don't really see what expressing that feeling does for changing anything for the better.

[SittingBull]

166. I assume

that all the left / right stuff was ridiculous divide et empera strategy


http://www.panokratie.de/index/index.htm

[RandomKoolzip]

167. CHEMTRAILS!!!!!

[In Truth We Trust]

168. no

[Sapphocrat]

169. Too... Left?

DU? Too left?

Heh... Eh-heh... Ah-hehehehehehehahahahahaha!
:rofl:

Thanks, I needed a good belly laugh today!

"DU too left" *giggle*

[EFerrari]

175. Stop having fun immediately!

You'll be mistaken for a LEFTIST!

:rofl:

I'm really tempted to off my user name and come back as 2lft4ubaby.

from the Left Edge of the World,

b.

[Sapphocrat]

176. Spasiba for the reminder, comrade!

I almost blew my cover! Nyet on that!

All laughter shall cease imediately!

Psst, sfexpat...

Q. How many lesbian-feminist socialists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A. That's not funny!

:evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

179. LOL!

Don't touch that bright shining tribute to our kleptocracy, my fellow traveler

:rofl:

[Vektor]

171. Maybe a little less "inclusive" rather than "too left"

It's ok to be pretty damn left, but when you start angrily bashing and name calling because someone is, in your opinion "less left" than you, or has differing beliefs, that's when it just becomes abusive. And that can go both ways, too.

[nomatrix]

177. Like being "too french"?

My take...

It depends on what generation you come from.

If you grew up in the 60's & could have been drafted
a vision of "too left" could include communes, co-op's, peace marches, sit ins, etc. The "dirty hippie" so lovingly hosed down by law enforcement.

What I see on DU is "reflex left" views in response to the "too right"
actions.

A motor reflex, such as a foul smell might make some people gag, and others vomit.
Would either reaction be "too much"?

One thing that seems to hold the left together, is a sense of humor.

Some posts are spot on, sharp, in your face and over their head funny.

We need to keep in touch with our humanity or become desensitized.

End Rant.

The French question is answered here. History of the Left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Right_politics

[FiveGoodMen]

178. A few individuals, maybe. DU as a whole, never.

[Festivito]

180. I respond to your original post starting with a pronoun because, then, ...

I am furthest to the left. And, again, just now.

But, I know what you mean. DU is so far left that I never hear of anyone wanting to nuke the Middle East, let all the inner city people just die, or to invoke the death penalty for everyone in prisons to save money. Indeed, we must be pretty far to the left. Even nutty I suppose.

[nicknameless]

182. Dear God, no.

Often too centrist.

[rman]

183. WILL THAT 5% IMMEDIATELY STEP BACK IN LINE!

[_dynamicdems]

185. The way you know you have gone too far left

is if you meet the right head on.

That hasn't happened thus far, has it?

[julianer]

191. That, I believe, is a canard n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

194. It has for some.

They go so far left they end up back on the right, just with different talking points and terminology, but it is all the same...abject control of those who don't agree with you or your point of view.

[Stockholm]

189. Universal health, anti-war, pro-choice, for gun control not really left

just common sense.

[DarkTirade]

193. Hmmm...

That's hard to say, while I do disagree with some of the stifling of right-wing posters, I do understand the need to keep the board from overrunning with them.
Bottom line is: this is a group of people who all believe in similar things. Can it get too far in either direction? Sure, but it depends on which people in this group chime in on that particular discussion.
By any rational means, I'd actually be considered fairly conservative in most aspects except for socially. Unfortunately, even the most radical conservatives in this country are ONLY socially conservative, and don't seem to mind throwing money away in more amounts than any liberal could ever dream of, and don't seem to mind making the government meddle in just about every aspect of our lives. (smaller government my ass...)
But unfortunately politics is not rational, which makes that rather moot.
Anyway, I'm digressing a bit now. So I'll stop talking before I digress too far. :)

[Hatalles]

197. Conspiracy theorists & radical athiests are the ones that get on my nerves

eom

[rucky]

202. Not left enough. n/t

[BamaBecky]

207. Surely you jest!

[Neil Lisst]

208. Your LEFT. Your LEFT. Your LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT.

Hut!

Anyway ...

The body politic needs all its parts. The struggle produces the thoughts that gain support and momentum. Blogs are invaluable in this process. Dialogue is good, even when fractious.

I've watched the dilemma some have with the DLC, and it made me want to write something about that dynamic in the party, so I did. It's today's and tomorrow's cartoons.

http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

I'm not in favor of booting anyone, not even those like Al From, although I will tee off on him majorly in tomorrow's cartoon. Today's is about the threat Dems on the left feel from the corporate likes of the DLC. It's only natural that those who are most repelled by the DLC are most vocal here. Where else can they be heard on this issue? DU and Kos are about it.

I don't like to see people attacking each other here for their beliefs, but strong discussion is the flavor to the soup.

[patricia92243]

209. Nah - that every opinion is represented is one of the many things that make

make DU the great place that it is. I've noticed that the full-fledged nut cases have a tendency to just fade away after a very short time.

[flyarm]

211. no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no ..n/t

[Bridget Burke]

213. So--you find 5% of the posts "a bit out there"

Therefore, DU is sometimes too LEFT? If you could just ban that pesky 5%, you'd be happy. More than 5% of the posts at DU are too far right for me. Just counting posts by those NOT soon to be tombstoned.

For me, not left enough.

By the way, your sig may have been cute at one time, but it's gotten a bit old. Here's a site you'll like!

www.ianpaisley.org/toc.asp?loc=rome

[mysterywriter]

214. Yes, but the best thing to do is to

stick to the issues you're really concerned about. For me, that's the economy, health care, environment and national security issues (particularly Iraq). I stay away from the discussions about gay/transgender rights, abortion, all this "save Tookie" stuff, the feminist posts, and a few times I've seen examples of people trying to enforce HOW someone says something or what labels can/can't be used for certain people or things (I can't stand it when people tell others HOW to talk...). But I recognize I am not a complete liberal; probably 80% or so, which is plenty to call myself a Democrat. I suppose in the debate about where the party is headed, I'm closer to the DLC side of things. This is an interesting topic and I intend to work for a centrist Democratic Party because (a) that's what I believe in, and (b) that's how we'll win again.

(By the way, I just got a handle yesterday, but I've been following DU since Katrina. I was brought here by a link to a post about the scanners and police/fire/rescue radio. So this is my impression after 3 months or so of lurking on a daily basis.)

[JNelson6563]

215. Left? No. Shrill & hysterical? Yes.

:toast:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

218. Not "left" enough as far as I'm concerned.

But, I'm an Anarchist and Anarchists are notoriously hard to please.

[lectrobyte]

219. Nope. Seems fine.

[rman]

221. You mean the tent isn't *that* big - on the Left side that is?

This while and entire wing has been build on the Right side of the tent...

[LWolf]

222. Nope.

When I found DU, back in '02, I was surprised to find that there were people to the left of me; I'd lived so long in a right-wing stronghold that I didn't know there were any leftists left in America. I was mocerately left, compared to the general tone on DU, and I loved it.

These days I'm "too left" for DU, so I spend less time here. Most of the conversations are dominated by what, to me, are more "centrist" viewpoints. While that's fine, I don't like always being the "opposition" post when I express my opinion, so I spend less and less time here, and don't post much anymore. The bigger the DU gets, the more mainstream the conversations. That's natural, and probably to be expected. I just keep hoping that the party will remember that there are people out there that don't participate in the conversation, or at the voting booth, because they are not included in the "mainstream." That a big tent allows and values their input.

[Loonman]

224. Well, I don't like the soft treatment of communism

Communism does not work.

[EFerrari]

225. What would you like us to do? Fire communism?

Beat it up?

lol

[LostinVA]

228. I've been lurking on here since the beginning

And can't remember seeing too many rah-rah posts about Soviet or Chinese Communism. I can probably count them on the fingers of one hand. If you're referring to Cuba, however, I can say that the majority of us on here have not bought into the US government's wholesale propaganda on Castro and Cuba. Does it have problems? Yes... do WE have problems? YES. And, we recognize Cuba's problems while also embracing what nit does right -- and it does alot of stuff right, including alot of stuff better than the US (health care, infant mortality rate, hurricane evacuations and relief, literacy, etc.).

But DUers carrying banners for Communism? Nope. Haven't see it. However, many of us (including me) are Socialists of one ilk or another.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

259. I remember several months ago, someone posted a test which determines

where one lies politically. Many of those who posted their "scores", came up as Social Anarchists, which is how the testers identified Ghandi and the Dalai Lama. I was pretty happy to have scored in that catagory, as I'm in excellent company.

[Midwest_Doc]

226. Q: Does anyone else SOMETIMES fell like DU gets too LEFT?

A: NO!

[blindpig]

229. No.

This place has swung to the center since the primaries. I find the smugness of centrist claiming ownership of "reality" more annoying than that supposed trait of leftist. Still, it is good to have a variety of opinion and to have one's assumptions challenged if only to keep us honest. I do miss the "leftier" flavor of this place when I first started lurking.

[tyedyeto]

231. Too far left? Lately it looks too right to me

When I first started lurking here, about 18 months ago, I would have said it was pretty far left. But lately, it seems like many posters are far more central and even to the right with their musings.

234. Yes, we should all stay polite and well mannered

for the next 500 years and hopefully things will change the way we want them too. :sarcasm:

[Desertrose]

237. In one simple word---NO

This site has gone waaay to the center.

Been here since the first day and you can believe me or not, no matter, but this place has gone from truly being democratic "underground" to the DLC - centrist blog.

Disappointing to say the least.....

Hardly recognize this place for the onceupon a time site where EVERYTHING was questioned to the place where all sources must be MSM approved.

Sad, but perhaps thats a product of growth.

Still sad though.

[Sparkman]

238. Few here refer to "PACIFICA RADIO" on this blog, DU's diverse, not left.

Noam Chomsky, Haiti, rapper community are all under represented on DU, imo.

[Cleita]

240. Not left enough for me.

But then I'm a Social Democrat.

[Payne]

241. I have to agree

The Peta supporters are a wacky bunch and some of the atheist here can get downright hateful.

[mondo joe]

242. Not too far LEFT. But too much class warfare and too much conspiracy

clamoring.

In my opinion.

[No Exit]

244. THOUGHT ABOUT IT, DECIDED DU IS TOO FAR RIGHT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5473381

That's the thread that decided me on this. DUers all glowing and admiring of a military recruiter who shows up at a teenager's PROM.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

245. No, I think there are too many DLC apologists

(some of whom turn up without fail in tag teams of three whenever someone starts a thread complaining about a member of the DLC--I imagine them to be interns at the "Progressive" Policy Insitute) and too many people who aren't politically or historically aware and still believe half the stuff they see in the mass media.

I only wish DU were as far left as some of its less informed or more co-opted members think it is.

[Time for change]

247. It depends on how you define too left

If it's defined as having certain views that are so inflexible that you are sometimes unable to consider facts or logic when arguing about something, then yes, I think that some people here fit that definition.

[Zhade]

248. Since there are no Maoists, Stalinists, or Trotskyites here, no.

Today's "far left" is what used to be know as "liberal".

[AZBlue]

250. Oh yeah. Unfortunately they drink kool-aid on this side of the aisle too.

[iconoclastNYC]

251. "Too" left = nuts?

Tsks....tsk.....you might not have wanted to start a flame war, but your post is clearly flamebait.

[Ladyhawk]

256. Yes....or no, depending upon which of the above posts you read. :) n/t

[mmonk]

258. Right now,

dark forces have gained control of our republic. What you sometimes see is a hard counteraction resulting from the change. Are there people farther to the left than me? Sure. Of course, I've been chastised as being too left here. Also, I've been chastised for being too far right as well. People have different ideas and at least, there is legitimate discussion here.