Gangsta (50 Cent) praises Gangsta Bush

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50 CENT PRAISES 'GANGSTA' BUSH

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50 CENT has made a surprise move by stepping forward to heap praise on beleaguered US President GEORGE W BUSH.

While Bush is facing growing criticism from American citizens and celebrities, including rapper KANYE WEST, former crack dealer 50 Cent has expressed great admiration for the Republican leader.

He says, "(The president) is incredible... A gangsta. I wanna meet George Bush, just shake his hand and tell him how much of me I see in him."

The IN DA CLUB rapper, who was shot nine times on the streets of New York City before finding fame, adds that if it wasn't for his felony conviction preventing him from voting, he'd have exercised his right in favour of Bush.

[datasuspect]

1. PR stunt

that statement should move some units

[lovelaureng]

6. You got that right.

Just what I would expect from that guy.

[Moochy]

27. G-Units!! n/t

[qanda]

51. Yes, the Right-wing, Christian segment of the population...

Buying 50 Cent's music just went up by the same percentage of blacks that now support Bush. 50 is an idiot.

[KingFlorez]

2. Let's see

Their both thugs who think they are great and a large number of people can't stand them, I can see why 50 is praising him.

[Name removed]

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[MnFats]

5. now, now, let's not bring the FBI trolling mechanism down on us..

....those keywords appearing together are likely to bring the Big Brother apparatus down upon our heads.

[DanCa]

4. But didn't I hear em say - president bush doesnt like rappers?

[rosesaylavee]

7. This brought a tear to my eye this T-day...

NOT. What drivel... who cares what this thug thinks of *? Does he really think there are potential buyers out there that CARE if he supports Bush or not? Stupid PR move if that is all it is. I predict that this will cause him to lose his existing music supporters.

[titoresque]

48. yep, he lost me

my kids listen to him, and his music grew on me. Won't be supporting him anymore!

[TheDebbieDee]

8. This story was posted a couple of weeks ago........

and one of the replies went something like: That's why he's called
Fifty Cents and not a Whole Dollar! LOL!

[bigtree]

10. ah!

well!

[shenmue]

9. What an idiot

Figures. Neither of them is going to win any awards for intellect.

Eighth graders could make a better album, too.

[bigtree]

13. I got an instant chill on 50cent when I saw that video game

of his glorifying the acts that nearly killed him. Just punk it out long enough and you can be a gangsta just like him and his idol Bush.

[YOY]

15. If you don't like it don't buy it...I won't

I couldn't care less about fiddy's GTA ripoff.

Quit vilifying video games please...it's a lame cause and has no real substance. Vilify those who don't support the rating system.

Just how is * a gangsta? What? Is he in the PNAC posse? Spoiled, rich, stupid, WASP boyz say HOOOOOOOO! Rolling in the Yale hood y'all!

[bigtree]

18. look at it this way please

I am sickened by violence. My soul hurts to the core. I don't have any tolerance for anything that takes violence and makes it into a game. I don't necessarily care that it is a video game except for the fact that it is just one more expression of violence in a society that doesn't find enough value in expressions of peace.

Peace. non-violence, and brotherhood are ideas, concepts that need nurturing. "Peace," Herman Wouk wrote in 'The Winds of War', "if it ever exists, will not be based on the fear of war, but on the love of peace. It will not be the abstaining from an act but the coming of a state of mind."

All else that we pursue should be a means to that peace; and a wholesale rejection of violent postures which just invite more violence.

[YOY]

24. So personally reject them, I generally do...

but don't make them illegal. If the human race can ever evolve to a point where those concepts (Peace, non-violence, and brotherhood) are embraced as they should be then it would be a better world. Forcing people to embrace them is both ridiculous and ideological to the point of some demented old episode of "The Twilight Zone" that portraits some "perfectly flawed" future. Celebrate the good, don't make the bad illegal. Video game violence is no worse than violence in books to the fertile imagination so please don't give me any pseudo-progressive support of Hillary's attempt to appease the middle grounds. There are far greater fish to fry and parental responsibility and knowledge of exactly what the have bought for their children is the solution to "objectionable material."

Not all video games are for kids...neither is all animation.



Personally, I'm not too big on Herman Wouk. In "The Caine Mutiny" his main character (the hero) says some rather unapologetic WASPy attitudes toward Italians and Catholics. Being both, I was completely turned off.

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32. you've wrapped a lot of other's bias around mine

I don't want them illegal. I want folks to stand up and denounce these and all expressions of violence. That's also a valid exercise of free speech. No one said anything about forcing anyone to do anything. I do, however maintain the validity of my stance against these expressions of violence, not legislatively, but as a voice in my community and elsewhere. I hope that my advocating for peace doesn't offend anyone or infringe on their own expressions.

BTW, I can fry more than one 'fish' at a time.

Wouk? The quote is a good one, a foreword. He writes:

" Industrialized armed force, the curse that now presses so heavily and so ominously on us all came to flower in the second World War. The effort to free ourselves of it begins with the effort to understand how it came to haunt us, and how it was that men of good will gave-and still give- their lives to it."

'Winds of War' is a fiction, as was 'Caine Mutiny', written twenty years after Caine. Funny how a character in a fiction can spark such emotion.

[YOY]

36. beg pardon. I did not mean to insinuate

but the word "denounce" has a religious connotation to me.

Please, by all means express your displeasure with violence (even the digitally simulated kind.) I'd never stop anyone from voicing their opinion. However, to me it seems that voicing such an opinion in such a way that it almost begs for the want of legal support. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Violence in the media can have a moral behind it. Take Brett Eston Ellis' "American Psycho." This book was so violent I was almost physically ill when I read it...it was also so well written that I couldn't put it down. In the end, to me it offered a frightening insight to a man with severe sociopathic tendencies, possible issues stemming from his loveless childhood, and even into the possibility that much of what was described was merely in his head the whole time. Would you denounce such a book because it used violence to tell a story (albeit violence so vile that it defies the imagination)? Many of Shakespeare's plays can be pretty "bloody, bold, and resolute." Are those plays to be denounced? Is this really a high-culture versus low-culture argument?

I wasn't saying all words of Wouk are bunk or to be disregarded because of one fictitious character's inner monologue.

However, remember the Wouk served on a Minesweeper during WWII himself and I can't help but believe that there wasn't something of himself in the main character. Perhaps I'm being overemotional, but sometimes I still feel that I have witnessed a bit of the "you may be well-educated, but you're still a second rate citizen compared to us." from some of the upper crust WASPs I have had to deal with in my life.

By the way, I am a loving peacenik myself and have never hurt a fly in my life. On the contrary a former Peace Corps volunteer who gives all he can when he can for the good guys. (Or so I'd like to believe.)

Sorry just thinking on the internet while the turkey cooks...

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37. We all try to influence with our expressions

That's what we do here. Tricky business when you get in a forum and are subject to criticism and disagreement. I personally welcome it, though I have the same thin skin as most folks. Disagreement helps me shape my own argument.

Wouk, Ellis and others force us, through their excellent writings, to examine the roots of our humanity, complete with all of the violence that pervades everything we do. But, I don't think they celebrate it like these games do. The violence is certainly seductive. I'm not immune, just practiced against it.

The most offensive, to me, is the U.S. Army video game effort, complete with a seductive web page and clubs, aimed at our impressionable youth to draw them into some sort of inevitability of military service, and, by extension, an inevitability of war and military violence for generations. If they had their way, all that our kids would be exposed to would be these cowboy images that encourage militarism. So, I counter them, I hope. Can't sell a game of peace, but it would be grand if it were so.

Thank you for your Peace Corps service. I hope this Thanksgiving finds you and yours safe and well.

[YOY]

38. On a final note I agree on the US Army video game

I wouldn't call the youth that impressionable. The first version of the game was free for download a few years ago. The hilarious thing is that it really hasn't done much for recruitment. I tried it but it told me "You don't have a fast enough processor for this game you need to buy a new one. Supporting your economy is good." The first sounds out of my mouth at the time was "With the military's ridiculous budget they can buy new one and support the damn economy."

As for "Games of Peace" try this: The Sims. I consider it playing dolls on a computer, but it is a HUGE hit. A PHENOMONALLY HUGE HIT!!!

In many of Firaxis' Civilization games, the most prosperous societies (financially and development wise) are democracies that can go to hell in a hand-basket if you cause unprovoked war.

There are non-violent games in general...some of them are HUGE hits.

I personally like strategy games. Most of them have war to a greater or lesser visceral effect. The public only sees only the hyper violent.

[Occulus]

41. Don't forget Myst

There's also "Fatal Frame", in which your weapon is a... camera.

The Final Fantasy series *could* be considered "violent"... by seriously unbalanced minds.

How about Burnout3, where you crash cars and your score is the "damage"?


Gitaroo-Man and other rhythm games are nonviolent.

I sumbit someone on this thread who you were responding to is not, and never was, a gamer. Ever. :)

[YOY]

43. Yes, but he/she means well

I am pretty much of the opinion that if you've never played them you have no room to talk, but hey, opinions are like belly buttons... Thanks for pointing out some of the platform games that are pretty non-violent. I prefer PC as I have played PC games for years with no violent repercussions.

Also considering that there is no direct connection between violence and violent video games.

It all reminds me of the Anti-D&D crap from back in the 80s. They (mostly wacky fundies) claimed it led to satanic worship. The only thing RPGs lead to is not getting a date on Saturday night.

I also think that just because Hillary or Tipper spout off on it in a blatant attempt to play to the soccer moms and the middle ground doesn't automatically mean you have to support it vehemently.

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45. true. no gamer here

You think maybe only gamers should express opinions on games?

Good to hear of other non-violent, popular games, but I'm not on a crusade against all video game expression. I just object to the ones that make violence against others a game. It is a straightforward rejection of violence among humans. It's not completely honest to heap all of the games into one basket as an unassailable collection of harmless fantasy. I would argue against ones which portray violence against others as sport. So, have your fun. Good for you. However, pretend killing will always sicken me. Even if it is intended as mindless recreation.

I wonder how the conversation would go between a consciencious parent concerned with violence and its influence on their child who just finished playing one of these killing games by themselves or with them. How do they reconcile the exercise of the fantasy killing with their expectations for their child's future attitude towards violence? There is no balance if the games are more pervasive than opportunities for peaceful expressions. I hope there is balance and perspective that comes with these games, but I don't see the evidence. Where is the countervaling balance? Where does the balancing perspective come from? Is it included in the promotion for these games?

I mostly get a blistering defense of gaming when I complain that continues to embrace the violence and defend it, but I don't think the manufacturers give a wit about the consequences of their propaganda. I believe there may even be those who intend to foster a more militant populace with these games, at the least, give encouragement to one.

So, have your fun. Hope to see more folks caught up in these non-violent ones to the effect of ignoring, and ultimate trashing, of the ones that toy with violence against others.

[YOY]

46. It's sort of like a "If you've never read the Koran what right have you

to criticize Islam." thing. Honestly, you have to admit that if you've never tried it (and it's perfectly legal) you don't have much of a leg to stand on other than the fact that you've seen some violent pictures on the TV and they bothered you. You don't have to be a gamer to try the games, but you really should at least know what you are talking about from a more personal point of view.

"How do they reconcile the exercise of the fantasy killing with their expectations for their child's future attitude toward violence?"

I don't know. Maybe they can explain the difference between make-believe and reality. As I recall, it's a pretty staple part of things that you explain to your children. There are a whole bunch of folks who claimed to have read Salinger's "Catcher in the Rye" and should have had that conversation with their parents before they did some very naughty things. It's pretty darn easy to reconcile. I did it...so has every other human being I have known. Also keep in mind that some parents need to take some freaking responsibility and not buy gory or graphic games for a 10-year old if they fear it will destabilize their kid. There is a DAMN good reason why many gamers are 18+ and yes you can know what games your kids are playing if you just turn off "Desperate Housewives" and pay some attention. Not all of these games are toys intended for impresionable kids. I'm sure some if not most kids can take it, but really if you want to warn someone play some of the games and talk to some of the parents and tell them to know what their kids are playing (and I don't mean read some frantic well-meaning but unknowing Newsweek article.) Have the parents play the game themselves. If they truly find it objectionable, then maybe they can kick themselves in the tail because they bought it without looking at the rating on the box.

"There is no balance if the games are more pervasive than opportunities for peaceful expressions. I hope there is balance and perspective that comes with these games, but I don't see the evidence. Where is the countervailing balance? Where does the balancing perspective come from? Is it included in the promotion for these games?"

In a good number of games there is indeed an option opposed to violence. There are stealth games, there are dialog options that allow you to talk your way out. There are indeed counterbalances and shoot 'em up games with no plot loose interest really quick and have virtually no replay value. You really have to play some before you start throwing stones.

And America's Army is propaganda. Made by the Government to increase recruitment. There are a crapload of movies I suspect are the same.

Grand Theft Auto is not propaganda! It is marketing...damn good marketing by a company that makes virtually no apologies for what it does. It's made by the company to make money. IT HAS MADE MUCHO MONEY! Irresponsible? Yeah, only if there was some direct connection between the crime and the games. There are not and anyone who claims they are has no grounds but to scream "look at the scary pictures!" There have been a couple of cases where people (moreover their lawyers) have used the games as a scapegoat for their lack of responsibility and self control. They have every right to develop and/or produce that game and until I start living in Saudi Arabia when the Christian Taliban take over they better use that right!

Just like it's a pornographer's right to make whatever sells best to their niche as long as it's between consenting adults.

Just like the fashion industry's right to blather over ridiculously expensive clothes that server virtually no purpose but to impress each other.

Just like pundits can speak/write as many lies as they want because people want to believe them.

That's their right.

[Chovexani]

56. Heh

You think maybe only gamers should express opinions on games?

Well, *I* do. I'm sick of ignorant people bashing my hobby based on the latest Jack Thompson screed they saw Hillary quote on the TeeVee.

[DanCa]

11. Bah we got the Boss on our side

Who cares what this dime a dozen stooge, britney spears, and the redneck toby kieth think . Springsteen rules.

[Maestro]

12. A felon praising *.

What's new?

[Moochy]

26. This felon didnt get any Govt. apppointments

or no-bid contracts :)

[AX10]

14. Obviously, I will NEVER be a fan of "50 cent".

Though a gangster admiring Bush.....makes sense to me.

50 Cent is a PIG!

[skipos]

16. Anyone know how his stupid movie is doing?

Expenses vs. income?

[frazzledmom]

19. Last I saw which was Monday

his movie was barely pased the 20 million mark. Probably profitable but not a "hit" by any standards. For every one of him there are 3 Chuck D's out there, I think 50's ego is alot bigger than his talent.

[mshasta]

17. is funny that only criminals..

are supporting bush....:puke:

[Deja Q]

20. Man, I wish the grocer's was open...

I'm hungry for some double-stuf oreo cookies... :9

Oh, would * be caught on camera with a felon?

[NuttyFluffers]

55. *snarf* *gag* bwa ha ha ha!

gonna make milk come outta my nose!
:spray: :rofl:
totally agree!

and now i bravely run away.
:hide: :popcorn:

[meow2u3]

21. Thank God this thug can't vote

This is one felon who should be disenfranchised--sellout!

[darkmaestro019]

22. Dear 50 cent: Please go away.

Take the Simpson sisters, Nicole Richie, and Clay Aiken with you.

[davidinalameda]

35. not Gay Aiken

we like him

[ck4829]

23. 50 dealt cocaine? That explains it.

** was one of his best customers.

[Moochy]

25. Let me guess He's gonna write a new single about it

And it's gonna sound just like "Candy Shop", like every other song he's done since that one.

"I'll take you to the Whitehouse gift shop"

How much of himself he sees in bush? Ego Check 1 2 !!
I got not problem with a rapper with EGO, as long as they can back it up with heart and conviction. His shit is played out, was played out as of his second single, IMO. And this is a PR stunt to move G-units.

[mshasta]

30. I just wonder what Dr. Dre and Eminem

are thinking...they had crated a monster...! I haven’t seen the 3 of them together anymore honeymoon over?

[johnfunk]

28. Self-delete

Oops! to the wrong thread

[dogfacedboy]

29. 50 cent is a gangster thug. Who cares what that punk says? n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

31. Wow, Bush's supporters have such great 'family values'. I guess

I'm just jealous that no 'gangsta' is singing my praises!

[DemonFighterLives]

33. That's his 2 cents

Nothing to see here, move along. Worthless dubbya admired by a 2 bit rapper, e-hah. I hadn't even heard of him till I seen his movie on the rack at the video store.
I didn't pick it up.
I thought that he was making fun of dubby. It would have made a better PR stunt to play up the criminal b*sh as someone to be admired by amatuer criminals.
:silly:

[YOY]

39. Think of it as "Get RichER or Die Trying"

Why else would anyone support shrub.

[DemonFighterLives]

40. Anything goes for the money!

I don't know whythis comes out, but my Dad used to crack us up about Nancy and Ronnie when Ronnie was befuddled and Dad would do the elbowing motion and say," we're doing all we can"-Nancy. Then Ronnie would perk up and say, "we're doing all we can".
Sorry for the aside.
We're doing all we can- dubby
:rofl:

[Pushed To The Left]

34. I wonder if he and Eminem got in any political arguments

during the '04 elections.

[brettdale]

42. His movIe got rubbished by critics

His movIe got rubbished by critics , it really got panned, this is nothing but a big PR STUNT.

[Matariki]

44. yeah, they have stuff in common

50 Cent was a crack cocaine dealer and the bush boy comes from a family of cocaine dealers. they've been doing it smarter than 50 Cent, so his admiration is no surprise.

[titoresque]

47. Noooooooo NOT fiddy!

Damn the ignorance! :banghead:

[LostInAnomie]

49. I must be reading it differently than everyone else.

The way I read it, 50 is calling Bush* an immoral thug. 50 realizes his image is as a gangsta and a drug dealer. He knows republicans like O'Liely, and Limpballs hate him. He may be drawing parallels between himself and * as a way to insult him. It's kind of a "Game recognizes game" thing.

[Hello_Kitty]

50. That's what I got from it too

I think he's being facetious. Also, most rappers really aren't gang-bangers, as they portray themselves in their music. 50 may be pointing that out, as if to say it's the Bush admin who are the REAL thugs.

[parhelion]

53. Two of a Kind...

I think you're giving this jackass waaay too much credit. Looks to me like 50 Cent is trying to emulate his idol's penchant for making asinine quotes. This is the same jerk who recently said that Katrina wasn't *'s fault, it was "an act of God". He also recently said that kids should play his 17+ rated game and parents could explain the "life lessons" it taught! The way I see it, 50 Cent and * are two of a kind: no-talent scumbag criminal idiots who have undeservedly made it big. Only difference is that they started from opposite ends of the socio-economic spectrum.

[davidinalameda]

52. and I found this little gem

50 Cent Plans Sex Toy Line

Rapper 50 Cent is planning to release his own new line of condoms and sex toys.

The star, who already has a clothing line and a range of energy drinks, is planning to branch out into the lucrative sex market -- even creating a vibrator that looks just like him.

50 tells GQ magazine, "I need to make a 50 Cent condom, and a motorized version of me.

"A motorized version of me will definitely have to be waterproof, so you could utilize it in the tub. A lot of them (vibrators) aren't waterproof.

"Blue is my favorite color, so it would probably be blue. But I don't know how big. I don't know if big is better because I'm not sure a man wants his woman playing with a really big dildo.

"But I want to do something like that, to create something that's popular and exciting sexually for women."

[MisterP]

59. it'll be called "Turn It On (And Him Off)"

[AgadorSparticus]

54. Oh fer cryin out loud! I can't believe people can't see the ironic humor

in this. Like or not like his glamorization of violence and gangsta life is besides the point.

Fifty cent knows EXACTLY what he is, what he sells, and the image he markets. And OBVIOUSLY it has made him a huge success. He's far from stupid, people!! What he's saying is EXACTLY in the same vein as Eminem.

This an absolutely underhanded DISS on bush. I can't believe people can't see through this. NO ONE in rap would come out and genuinely praise bush. Not after Katrina. Not after Kanye West. Give me a break. And notice: he said, "...and tell him how much of me I see in him". He didn't say he admired the guy or that he is such a great pretzeldent. How more obvious can this be??!!?!

THIS IS A DISS, PEOPLE!!! And well done at that!!!

edit for typo.

[parhelion]

57. Katrina Quotes?

If that's the case then how do you explain his Katrina comments? Just google 50 Cent - Katrina and you'll get a bunch of links. I still think you're giving him too much credit. He's a pop star, I don't think he's too concerned with "street cred" at this point. 90% of his fans are white kids. This pro-bush stance is probably a ploy to gain more acceptance with their parents.

[upi402]

58. mafia, bloods, crips, yakuza -all cower in corner...

...from the * awesome criminality and brutality.

[d_b]

60. True that.

He's certainly a gangster.