JFK: 42 Years Gone, But the Facts Are Still Coming In

[democraticinsurgent]

I was 10 when they made the announcement in school. We were sent home early on a cool November day. I remember the strangeness of walking home at the wrong time of day, how everything seemed "off" somehow. Then walking into my parents' apartment in a married student housing complex at Indiana University.

Tears. Lots of tears. Sad faces. Walter Cronkite, lots of Walter Cronkite. Oswald, killed live on TV by Jack Ruby. LBJ. Jackie. Jon-Jon. Sad faces, lots of sad faces.

This one act has defined an era. The greatest mystery of our time.

Time has a way of putting things in perspective. It's not as much of a mystery to me anymore, because I know things I didn't used to know.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush has had a lot of trouble explaining his whereabouts on that day, that he placed a call to the FBI that day, that his private phone number was found on the dead body of "person of interest" David Ferrie sometime later.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush was so deeply involved in the Bay of Pigs operation that the supply boats were named Zapata, Barbara, and Houston. Zapata for his oil company, Barbara for the Mrs., and Houston for his home city.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush was probably a CIA operative since the late 1950's.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush was probably very much involved in Watergate as the Chairman of the Republican Party, despite the fact that his father, Prescott Bush, recruited Nixon to run for Congress in 1948.

I know that Prescott Bush had significant financial dealings in support of Hitler and his Nazi regime.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush was the Director of the CIA in the mid 70's.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush led the effort to keep the Iranian hostages from being released until after the 1980 presidential election, thereby sealing the election for Reagan/Bush.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush was instrumental in the Iran/Contra scandal (which was payback for the hostages deal) despite his insistence that he was "out of the loop".

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush's son Neil was to have dinner with John Hinckley's brother the week that Hinckley nearly assassinated Reagan.

I know that Neil Bush served in an organization with former Nazi youth and current Pope Benedict.

I know that Neil Bush's Silverado Savings & Loan failed, along with many other S&L's in the late 70's, and that the federal governent bailed out depositors by emptying the treasury of billions.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush, as President, initiated an investigation into the corrupt dealings of BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce) which was connected to the Bin Laden family via Khalid Bin Mafhouz. I know that not much came of that investigation.

I know that Jonathan Bush, brother of George Herbert Walker Bush, helped George Walker Bush get investment in Arbusto, his oil company startup, and that one of the investors was Osama Bin Laden's brother.

I know that BCCI and the Bin Ladens bailed out George Walker Bush's oil company Harken Energy with Saudi money in the 1980's.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush sits on the board of Carlyle Corporation, a major war profiteer and a holding company that is intent on swallowing up large pieces of the corporate landscape.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush is the only ex-President to receive daily briefings from the CIA.

I know that Jeb Bush, son of George Herbert Walker Bush, promised his brother George Walker Bush that he would deliver Florida, the state where he is governor, no matter what.

I know that John Ellis, George Walker Bush's first cousin, made the call of Florida for Bush during the counting of the 2000 electoral votes for Fox News, which contradicted what the other networks had concluded.

I know that George Walker Bush, son of George Herbert Walker Bush,lost the popular vote and probably lost Florida in the election of 2000, but was selected to the presidency by the Supreme Court before the statewide recount of Florida would have declared Al Gore the winner.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush met with members of the Bin Laden family the night before 9/11/2001.

I know that Marvin Bush, son of George Herbert Walker Bush, was a board member of the security company that held the contract for the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attacks.

I know that George Walker Bush's popularity was quite low just prior to the 9/11 attacks.

I know that George Walker Bush claimed to have seen video of the first plane hit the WTC before there was any film or video of the event available.

I know that George Walker Bush was convinced that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

I know that George Herbert Walker Bush's administration sold Iraq weapons of mass destruction in the early 1990's.

I know that the 9/11 disaster was used as an excuse to invade Iraq.

I know that the exit polls showed Senator John Kerry winning the 2004 presidential election, but that Kerry's lead mysteriously vanished after midnight and when all the votes were counted, George Walker Bush somehow had the most popular votes and electoral votes in direct contradiction to the exit polls.

I know that this contradiction has never been able to be explained by the available facts.

I know that anywhere there's a Bush, there is something sinister going on.

I know a lot more than I used to know. But I don't know nearly enough yet.

[quispquake]

1. Great post...

:kick: for some great info...

[Lyle]

2. Connect the dots

Wow. That is some powerful info. But can we connect JFK's assasination with the Bush family? Or, can we connect it to our current foreign policy?

[democraticinsurgent]

4. good question

In nearly every instance of national crisis since 1961, there is a Bush or Bushes present, doing their dirtywork.

Did the Bush family have some connection to the JFK assassination? Probably. Can we prove it? Not yet. Perhaps never, given the elapsed time and large number of dead witnesses.

That's why the conclusion was left open. We need to know more.

[Lyle]

5. Can u provide a list of instances...

...where Bushes were involved in these crises? I'd love to see a consolodated list of their proximity to these events. VERY interesting.

[democraticinsurgent]

8. Best To Read Tarpley's Book

It would take some research to give you more specifics. I recommend a trip to Webster Tarpley's site http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm to check out his Bush bio; he has tons of great info, including some events that i left out entirely.

Also recommended are Octafish's "Know your BFEE (Bush Family Evil Empire)" threads on DU.

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Don't forget with Poppy

He warned Kennedy of going to Dallas and he and Barbara were there that morning and left just a few hours before Kennedy came. Nixon was there too. He claimed he was at the Coca-Cola factory for campaigning. There is also an old photo of Poppy (I'm pretty sure it's him) at a Dallas police station talking to a cop. And didn't he "turn in" Oswald minutes after everything happened? And I remember someone posted wrote a letter Poppy wrote to some Cuban guy for doing a good job of "telling the truth." Nixon also made reference to something called Operation Zapata. With Oswald I don't think he was involved in killing Kennedy but I do think he was involved in something else and they used him as a scapegoat.

[EFerrari]

43. Welcome to DU, Lyle

:hi:

[unpossibles]

3. awesome. thanks. n/t

[Loge23]

6. Where there's smoke...

...there's a Bush. Great post.
Your quote sums it all up:
"I know that anywhere there's a Bush, there is something sinister going on."

[ChickMagic]

7. I was about 9 when it happened

Our teacher went to the lounge (we had one teacher the whole day) and didn't come back for about an hour. We went wild until we sort of sensed something was terribly wrong. She came into the classroom crying and told us that our president had been shot.

I was never much into the conspiracy aspect until recently when I heard GHWBush say that he has no idea where he was or what he was doing that day. He also said Babs and Junior were in Dallas. That's when I realized something dreadful. He's the only person of a certain age that doesn't have that collective memory. Or he's lying and knew very well what he was doing.

[Matilda]

14. Everyone who was over the age of five knows where they were that day.

Not only in the US, but all around the world.

[Boomer]

48. Most of my childhood is a blur

But that one day stands out in perfect clarity.

I was in fourth grade, and I was confused because the teachers and some of the older students were crying. I can remember the desk I was sitting at, the sound of the school loudspeaker as the principal announced the news the president had been shot. There was an electric atmosphere of tension that even I, a dorky little dreamer, couldn't miss or forget.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. He has to be lying

Even my mother who was a little girl remembers where she was so how can he not remember? That's like me not remembering where I was on 9/11.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

9. Great Post! nt

[DanCa]

10. Great post nominated.

And I am not going to ruin it with commentary :thumbsup:

[Ouabache]

11. I know that

As the shooting was occurring, Nellie Connally testified to the Warren Commision that her husband, cried out, "My God, THEY are going to kill us ALL."


One of the few statements reporters were able to get from Oswald as he was shuttled around the County Jail the weekend intervening the President's murder and his own was this: " I am just a PATSY."

[FogerRox]

12. American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips--- good tome on Bush & WAlker clans

but the newest entry is Thom Hartmans new book

[tavalon]

35. So, can we infer from that statement

That Connally was on the inside of this thing too?

[gordianot]

13. The list is growing daily.

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. Who is protecting the Bush's? What organizations?

Aspen? Carlyle? Skull and Bones?

We already know why: Power and money.

[cassiepriam]

29. Maybe the bush family are really foreign agents, undermining

the US. They sure have done a superb job of destroying this country.

[The Backlash Cometh]

45. Maybe they were afraid that we would be usurped by some greedy

foreign forces and they decide to do it first?

[cassiepriam]

54. How kind of them.

[tavalon]

36. The Bin Ladens and Saudi Arabia are protecting the Bushes

[The Backlash Cometh]

46. How?

[tavalon]

50. It's been well documented in a number of books recently

And in Michael Moore's Farenheit 911

[FogerRox]

16. Good Summary- really good

"I know that Neil Bush's Silverado Savings & Loan failed, along with many other S&L's in the late 70's, and that the federal governent bailed out depositors by emptying the treasury of billi"

was it billions-- IIRC 500 Million ?

A friend who doesnt go to message boards wanted to chip in----


This is a terrific and useful piece. I find several points that might be in error, at least they strike me as strange. This is so good I would send it to my Repubilcan brother in law, but I want to be sure everything is as accurate as can be made.

<<I know that George Herbert Walker Bush was probably very much involved in Watergate as the Chairman of the Republican Party, despite the fact that his father, Prescott Bush, recruited Nixon to run for Congress in 1948.>>

This point does not make sense to me, especially the words <despite the fact>. It would seem to me to make sense that one Bush is trying to make sure that Nixon was re elected enough to participate in Watergate, since another Bush recruited Nixon???

[democraticinsurgent]

17. corrections and suggestions are welcome, thanks.

i agree, the point i was trying to make about Bush being involved in Watergate was more that he was likely involved in the bringing down of Nixon based on what i've read. Needs clarification and probably another whole point to make complete sense.

The S&L scandal cost the US treasury $125 billion according to Wikipedia but it happened in the 1980's, another correction that needs to be made.

[DemonFighterLives]

38. I read somewhere that the Watergate break-in

was an attempt to get the information that the dems. had collected on the Kennedy Assassination. :shrug:

One only has to look at that list and see evil dripping from them.

I might add questionable circumstances surrounding the Wellstone crash.
:argh:

[blue neen]

18. Fantastic post.

Sad, chilling, and thought-provoking.

[Octafish]

19. FBI memo shows Poppy Bush was in Dallas on 22 Nov 1963.

Poppy told the FBI he was in Dallas the day JFK was killed.

He also ratted out one James Parrot as having threatened to kill JFK in Houston.

One question: Why did Bush fail to report this BEFORE the assassination?



SOURCE:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

BTW: A great post, yours, democraticinsurgent.

[i miss america]

20. Bravo! I know that

you just wrote one heckuva great post.

:yourock:

[texpatriot2004]

21. Great post I know the BFEE is EVIL to the core. I know that Poppy

was in on the JFK murder...no doubt.

He could not remember where he was that day - oh please. Whatever!

[FreedomAngel82]

22. So much information

Something I'm wondering, didn't Prescott Bush know Eisenhower? And wasn't Operation Northwoods created by a group of people during Eisenhower's administration? Does anybody know if Poppy or Prescott were involved in that?

[shance]

23. Not to mention even the coincidence that Richard Nixon was in Dallas

too at the time Kennedy was executed.

[WiseButAngrySara]

26. K & R while there's still time. I've bookmarked this to study later. I

wish that you might address the issue of Catcher in the Rye, as this has attracted my curiosity since I first became aware of it about a year ago (on DU, and then my own indpendent research.)

You have mentioned the Hinckley's connections to the Bushies, Hinckley's father and his oil company failure. There is also his previous political support of Poppa B*, and the whole business of Catcher in the Rye. Why would copies of this book be involved in both Lennon's death and Reagan's assasination attempt? Did you know that Bush Sr. quoted Catcher in the Rye as one of his all time favorite books, and he only mentioned three? I've wondered if it is not some sort of a CIA code of some sort.

[democraticinsurgent]

27. that's a new one on me

there is so much...pull a thread and see what happens. thanks, i'll look into Catcher in the Rye. anyone know about this?

[DemonFighterLives]

37. McVeigh and OKC bombing as well

Catcher In The Rye! I know nothing about the book, but the righties love it. Militia.

[WiseButAngrySara]

41. But the book itself is about a confused young college man who tries

to get answers from adults, and all he runs into are phonies and bad advise. It's a wonderful book, which is part of its mystery. But IIRC, the author Salinger, who has been reclusive for years, was at one time involved in the CIA. Woodward was recently granted a very rare interview by Salinger.

The book has nothing at all to do with militia. Are you sure about McVeigh and OKC? That's even weirder.

[DemonFighterLives]

42. That was a story that was floated at the time

I'm pretty sure. Clinton had said that Hate Radio was the fault of the right wing militia movement going nuts or vice versa. I don't think McVeigh acted alone and there are other tinfoil stories out there, that poppy brought many Iraqi's back to the states after his little war. It is believed that they may have been involved and I think this story and the drug running through Mena Arkansas are what have poppy and Bill connected. Bill should have kept his distance from these criminals. The general story was that McVeigh was pissed off about Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Sorry that I am all over the map, but with the information so sketchy and twisted, that is the way it comes out.

I went searching for an hour and found that Salon.com (article that requires subscription) says in google that McVeigh had a copy of Catcher in his car. He was distributing copies of The Turner Diaries before OKC bombing.
Tough to find the right link, but here is one about the gun nuts
http://www.mykeru.com/weekly/2003_0817_0823.html

clips-
The problem with disagreeing with members of the right wing is not that they are wrong and stupid, but that they range from being just plain wrong and stupid to very, very wrong and very, very stupid. By the time someone reaches the point of declaring themselves to be a right-winger they have already abdicated double digits worth of IQ points. By the time one of them declares themselves to be a full-fledged gun nut standing against gub'mint tyranny by reading The Turner Diaries like it was the right-wing version of Catcher in the Rye and shown themselves incapable of reading and understanding something as simple as the Second Amendment, then they have made the passage to full-fledged dumb-as-a-bag-of-rubber-ball-peen- hammers stupid.

clip-
This was an area that spawned the patron saint of gun-hording gub'mint hating morons, namely Timothy McVeigh, who lived in Kingman, Arizona and worked at the Tru-Value hardware store on Stockton Hill Road. This is the same hardware store where I got some overstuffed and ignorant righty moron all bent out of shape for saying something positive about the metric system. Like a lot of willfully ignorant right-wingers the English system of weights and measures went along with his religion and politics: Archaic, senseless and passed by in most of the civilized world. Still, you never know what's going to set off the loony right wing: The metric system, Clinton's cock, Barbara Striesand, it's a minefield.

Although McVeigh was treated as a bad seed by the press, as an aberration in a way that they never would have done had he come from the left rather than the right, McVeigh was nothing of the sort. Rather, he was the logical end product of the illogical and hypocritical paranoid right wing, antigovernment gun culture that simultaneously wants to both wrap itself in the flag and dismantle the government it represents. By force, if necessary.

[WiseButAngrySara]

47. Here's more on Hickley's father, Hinckley, Chapman and Catcher in the

Rye,,,I am limited on time because of Thanksgiving festivities, so I've not yet had a great deal of time to read my recent Google results on: "Operation Mockingbird" "Catcher in the Rye" and Bush, but found the following fascinating bit of info, which I had read elsewhere during a previous search. (I've searched CIA and Catcher, Bush and Catcher, and many other combos in the past.)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22operation+mockingbird%22+%22catcher+in+the+rye%22+bush&btnG=Google+Search

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_rigorousintuition_archive.html

<snip> (found about 3/4's of the way down the page)

John W. Hinkley Sr, the father of Ronald Reagan's would-be assassin. was president of the board for World Vision. World Vision served, in the words of John Judge's words, as a "penetration force" for the CIA. (The Hinkleys and the Bushes had known each other for decades. In the sixties, when Hinkley's oil company was failing, it was bailed out by Bush's Zapata Oil.) World Vision was financed during the Vietnam War by the Agency and given the use of military equipment. According to Judge, the mission ran the Cuban and Thai refugee camps in the United States. Reportedly there were beatings and abuses, and the camps were staffed by Alpha 66 and Omega 7 people, the virulently anti-Castro assets, who were looking for like-minded anti-communists to recruit for intelligence gathering and counter-insurgency. And as if we haven't had enough already, here's another kick in the head: Mark David Chapman, who eventually shot John Lennon, worked at World Vision's Thai refugee camps in Arkansas. (That both Hinkley and Chapman were fixated upon Catcher in the Rye has suggested to some that the book was used as a trigger for "Manchurian"-like assassin mind control programming.)

And speaking of mind control, survivor Kathleen Sullivan told the late Jim Keith in his book Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness, that she heard of plans to use Christian evangelists to push belief in the "tribulation" and the "Last Days" as one means of achieving social mastery.


Weird stuff, huh? Gotta run. I'll be back later. Happy Turkey Day!

[lovuian]

53. Its probably the reason why McVeigh was executed so

quickly!!!

[milkyway]

28. I love this post!

The way you've structured the writing is really great. Nominated and bookmarked.

[autorank]

30. Welcome to DU!!! Thank you.

I know that the American people gave G.W. Bush enough votes to put two elections within "theft distance."

I know that I'm profoundly disappointed that we care so little about politics that this could occur.

[Senator]

31. I know that Bush pardoned his co-conspirators to evade prosecution....

...in the Iran/contra treason.

And that pardoned CIA honcho Duanne Dewey Clarridge could well know all the relevant facts to incriminate all members of the bushcabal in all of their crimes.

I know of no statute of limitations on treason, and no reason not to prosecute the criminal pardons the minute we get our Congress and country back. I know the same is true for stolen elections and high court treason.

I know the cabal would never agree to a Truth and Reconcilliation Commission.

Therefore, I know that these prosecutions and punishment are THE ONLY was to redeem our national soul and rejoin the international community with honor.

----
www.january6th.org

[Festivito]

32. Made "Things I'm grateful I know" for my RW brother tommorrow.

If he deserves it. Otherwise it will stay in my pocket until I leave. I'll ask him to indicate which he thinks are false. He'll pick all. So, I'll ask him to pick one for himself to research as wrong, just one. He'll shut up. He'll never do any work for his country other than what he has to do, except to listen to easily digested RW dribble and to spew it at those who do not laud his ego.

Thanks. Just the right size and content level.

Let's keep learning.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. What a Great American Family, The Bush Family.

:puke: Bush Family Evil Empire. Why does the Bush Family hate America(ns)?

[Beam Me Up]

39. They hate America because they are fascists. It is as simple as that. eom

[Celebration]

34. And guess what I know

"Raymond Lee Harvey" threatened Jimmy Carter and his associate was Osvaldo Ortiz!!! They were supposed to create a diversion while someone with a high powered rifle shot him.

I guess these dudes aren't satisfied with some ordinary assassination attempt. They have to send a strong message!! '

Shamelessly connecting to the thread I started on this--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5440558&mesg_id=5440558

[Zen Democrat]

40. Thought I'd add another blockbuster regarding the Kennedy Assassination

This memo was released as a result of a FOIA request in the 1980's. It never received any attention by the mainstream media -- but, of course, GHWB was vice president at the time. J. Edgar Hoover actually states in this memo that he briefed "George Bush of the CIA" on the activities of the anti-Castro Cubans on 11/23/63 at FBI Headquarters in Washington. Not only was Bush in the CIA at the time, but he was big enough to get a personal briefing by Hoover on the day after the assassination -- a day that Bush admits being in Dallas that day. In fact, I believe Moms Bush has stated that she and W watched the Dallas motorcade. How strange that these bedrock Republicans would go to Dallas to watch the Kennedy motorcade when Kennedy had been in Houston just the day before. Poppy is SO involved. Here's the text of the memorandum reproduced below.

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U.S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U.S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to us, George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963 by Mr. W.T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

A copy of the above memo was furnished to the Director of Naval Intelligence.

[EFerrari]

44. If your government behaves as if it is not accountable to you

it may be because it really isn't. . .

Well done. There's so much to sort through, you did a great job of putting this out clearly.

[lovuian]

49. I know there is a Nuclear reactor with the name Bushehr

and Bush probably helped build it!!!

[warrior1]

51. Watch this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031
Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination Alex Jones 911 Conspiracy

[lovuian]

52. :kick:

:kick:

[cassiepriam]

55. If all true, Jeb will be our next president. A done deal.