What military weapons were you trained on? (For our freeper friends)

[Mountainman]

Freepers got their panties in a bunch when we listed gun ownership here. One of their post said something to the effect that none of us were trained in the use of military weapons so it would be easy for him to take us out or something.

I just would like to dispel another freeper myth they have about us. I know there are more DUers that have served or are actively serving in the military than there are freepers who served. They are by nature chicken hawks as are Bush and Cheney their fearful leaders.

So just to inform them a little more, what military weapons were you trained on"

Me: M-14, M-16, M-60, M2, M-79. I forgot the colt .45 automatic and the model 12 shot gun I had to carry at the replacement batalian in Long Bihn.

[hobbit709]

1. M-16 and

all sorts of fiendish thingies that go BOOM

[ET Awful]

2. We weren't trained on military weapons? Not only was I trained but

I was a trainer. We'll start small M1911 and M3A1 (grease gun). M2, M-16, M203, TOW 2 system, including as mounted on an M901 ITV. Let's not forget the lowly M249.

Oh yeah, and some minor demolitions stuff like tree removal using C4, etc.

[BloodyWilliam]

49. Tree removal using C4?

Fuck Bush, YOU are the kind of guy I wanna have a beer with! :)

[ET Awful]

55. A small piece of sheet metal and a small chunk of C4 can remove trees

pretty easily :)

[Jo March]

3. M-16 and M-60

I can also use a handgun and a shotgun as well. :)

[emanymton]

4. Nuke Targeting, Close Air Support, Field Artillery Fire Control Coor...

dinator.

[NNadir]

137. None. I have no interest in nor experience with weapons.

I have never needed nor required any.

I am both happy with and proud of this.

[Arkana]

5. Not military training--a seizure disorder and flat feet would keep

me out of active duty even if there was a draft. My father, however, taught me well in the use of a shotgun, and I am more than able to use it if I need to.

Message to Freepers: Do you honestly think I'm scared of you? You're nothing but a bunch of fat, pasty, sweaty 40-year-old morons who live in their parents' basement.

[oneighty]

6. Hmmmm

I learned to render safe unexploded explosive ordnance from cannon balls to nuclear. Surface or underwater.

EODs were not required to carry weapons nor were they trained in the use of such. Only curious fools ever got close to EODs as a matter of fact.

Hee hee hee.

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[Bigmack]

30. I read that EOD is...

... getting really clobbered in Iraq. They've got combat engineers untrained as EOD's trying to disarm IED's.

[oneighty]

31. Yes they are taking a hit.

Not being a misogynist here, but quite recently a lady army EOD type was killed while trying to safe a roadside IED.

Now that sucks, and no it would not have been better if she had been a he.

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[ArkDem]

74. Did you do a lot of that cannon ball work?

[oneighty]

85. Oddly yes.

When Fort Sumter (Charleston SC) was being renovated in 1959 or so the workers were uncovering dozens of cannon balls from the Civil war. Also some rare Parrot (Sp) rounds, an early projectile design were unearthed.

EOD Unit Two EOD techs rendered them safe. It was a very interesting assignment. Large cannon were also unearthed much to the surprise of the Department of the Interior (Parks Dept). The EOD Unit received a nice commendation letter which I still have a copy of.

Unexploded cannon balls in the Charleston area are/were not rare. We often found people using them for lawn decorations. They were happy to have us render them safe and return them.

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[ArkDem]

143. Sounds like fun to me!

Parrot rifles were the high tech stuff in the 1860's!

[tabasco]

7. All the stuff that Rangers use plus many foreign weapons.

I went to that foreign weapons course at NTC which was a lot of fun.

I fired a Czech AK-74 that I loved.

[malmapus]

43. Man couldn't beat those AKs

I remember we would bury one, then dig the thing up and it would fire off with no probs. Would never think of that with the bloody M-16. I still remember a triple chamber jam mine got one time, ugh hated how much had to clean those things.

[BOSSHOG]

8. 9mm, 45mm, combat shotgun(sweet), M-16 and M-14, yes M-14

and we tossed the old handgrenade around and used the baton for crowd control. And don't forget the mace.

Expert with handguns
Sharpshooter with the long guns

But I'm just a pussy liberal so don't consider me a threat.

[harlinchi]

9. In ROTC and later in the reserves many.

.45 cal., M-16A2, M-60 machine gun, M-72, M203, 80 mm mortar, 105 mm howitzer, M-60 tank (it was in 1981). They're great fun to fire WHEN NOBODY IS SHOOTING BACK! Old stationary vehicles, paper and pop-up targets are good enough for me.

[Ganja Ninja]

10. The only light weapons training I got in the military was ...

with the M1911. I did however grow up in a rural area and shot skeet for recreation as well as a couple of different 22 cal semi-auto rifles. I own several handguns a couple of rifles and a shotgun and I go to the range about three times a year on average.

[HereSince1628]

11. So is someone keeping score? Does DU piss more and farther than FR?

Crikey.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. No but the myth is that liberals are cowards and don't serve

that is their myth

[HereSince1628]

87. Yes, but DU has no need of a roster of militia skills.

I completely get that the wingnuts at FR have no idea what it means to be a Democrat and the personal histories of democrats.

But if a stupid freeper suggests or threatens to use military or other weapons against democrats, DU'ers or any other organization, the responsible thing to do is to call the FBI.

We know that veterans and gun enthusiasts are among democrats and DU users. That freepers don't know this is their problem not ours. We have nothing to prove.

We can call it just a macho pissing contest,

But _REALLY_ DemocraticUnderground has no need for a roster of the militia skills of its members in the archives.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

94. If you don't like the subject, don't respond. Does that sound fair to you?

[HereSince1628]

103. No, my concern is not about how I feel, its about avoiding having

a partisan chat board look like it supports militancy.

It is about the potential of threads like this to take DU beyond the thread's intent, to a place out beyond the revelation of sophomoric reasoning, wingnuttiness, tinfoil hattery and general hyperbole that occurs on the board.

[The Doctor.]

71. Sure sounds like it so far...

I think part of the point is the statement that the hammerheads don't have a monopoly on machismo.
Their fantasy that only people who think the way they do have the will and ability to take up arms is rather nicely dissolved by this thread.

And Oh yeah...

.22 long/short
Savage .300
.40 cal semi-auto
9mm intratech (full or semi)
CQC tactical knife training
Bear Whitetail II (set to 65#s)
Any bladed weapon

and loads of Judo.

[UncleSepp]

83. M-16. I also learned to throw grenades before baseballs.

Consequently, I pitch fairly accurately, but it looks silly as hell.

[ArkDem]

145. I don't think the catcher would appreciate that in either order.

[Nickster]

12. Hmmm, well an M16, M60, M79 (My Fav), and the AT-4 anti-tank rocket

I had trouble with the M60, that sucker really likes to walk away from you when firing. The M79 is a blast, you wouldn't think that a grenade launcher would be so darn accurate at 250 meters, but it sure is. Oh darn, I almost forgot the claymores that we got to use and those hand grenades. It surprised me how big of an explosion the claymore really packs in such a small wrapper.

[McLuhan]

107. M-1,

50 caliber,30 caliber carbine. Earned expert badge. I was blind in one eye and they drafted me and yet Mickey Mantle was deferred for bad ankles. Go figure!

[Squatch]

13. AFATDS, ADOCS, MBCS

M-119, Mk-19, M-72, M-2, M-60, M-249, M-240B, M-4, M-9
Other stuff: MELIOS, MULE, LLDR, GVLLD
Plus, I can do a 9-line CAS request in my sleep...so, I guess you can say I've also been trained on F-16, A-10, AH-64, AH-1, AC-130

[Another Bill C.]

14. Five-inch gun, three-inch gun, and 50 cal. machine gun

along with depth charges, .45 pistol, and (face reddening) the M1. Yup. It was a long time ago.

[Nickster]

17. Dang, those are some big guns you got!

[Dhalgren]

15. M-16, M-60, M-79, LAWS and sundry others and I own several

guns, as well...

[acmejack]

16. Let's see

M-14, M-60, M2 50 Cal LMG, 45 Pistol, Remington 870 Riot gun (weapon of choice).

[ThomWV]

18. Everything from 50 Cal Down

I held the Small Arms Expert rating. This is not the marksmanship thing you got in Basic, this was actual live training on all small arms and certification as an Instructor (it added the designation -40 to my MOS) in the US Army in small arms handling.

I've got enough guns around here to build a small bond fire out of the stocks if I needed to stay warm for about a week. I can shoot the asshole out of a snake at 400 yards and have loaded my own ammunition for over 30 years. Fuck a bunch of Republicans.

[slor]

19. My Grandfather, bless his soul, taught me to shoot on a...

Springfield 1903 rifle. He served in a all-African-American unit in WWI, though I do not believe it was one that he served with. I have fired many other civilian rifles in my time, but I really like the Springfield, partly due to the memories of shooting with Grandpa, and partly because I was a pretty good shot with it. If it ever came down to tango time with the anti-American freeptards, I would strongly advise them to stay low when SLOR comes 'round.

[RB TexLa]

20. All my training

Was at outdoor firing ranges, on deer stands, and in duckblinds.

[0007]

21. 155mm

[Squatch]

24. My brother!

I see red...closing!

[0007]

69. Looking down the tube they looked like ants.

[malmapus]

40. Hehe use to joke about you guys

Dunno if typing it out will do it justice but went along the lines of carryin a conversation with guys in the FA, getting alot of "WHAT DID YOU SAY!?"

[0007]

70. You got it!

[TX-RAT]

129. 105mm, 155mm, 175mm, M60, M16, M79, M203, M1911 45ACP

And my hearings, just about shot.



US ARMY 69-72

[Clark2008]

22. My fiance was Special Forces and in the Rangers

I'd say he was trained on just about every kind of killing machine imaginable. He can kill you with a gun, a tank, his bare hands or a look.

And - he votes Democratic.

[matcom]

23. M-16, M-60, 9MM, M1A1 Tank

[mikelewis]

25. M-60, M-16, Saw, M203 grenade launcher, claymore mines...

grenades and the 9 mm beretta. I no how to navigate at night using GPS and night vision. Also my knowledge of radio controlled helicopters and wireless cameras would give me the additional ability to provide aerial reconnaissance.I know how to encrypt messages and understand how to manage a platoon size force and effectively lead them on a mission. That's all thanks to the U.S. MP Corp.

But Ghandi taught me that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind and Martin taught me that if you succumb to the temptation of using violence in the struggle, unborn generations will be the recipients of a long and desolute night of bitterness, and your chief legacy to the future will be an endless reign of meaningless chaos. I don't know about you, but I ain't gonna study war no more.

[Squatch]

26. It's fairly easy to navigate at night using GPS and nods...

try it with a lensatic compass and 1:50,000 map.

[Hubert Flottz]

27. M-16 45Cal grease gun, 45 cal handgun, M2, M60 Tank, M-551

Tank and Top's Jeep!

Edit...I've owned several model 12 Win shotguns that won a lot of prizes at shooting matches. I owned a model 97 win that was a fine match gun too. I'm down to one red letter model 37 win. 16 ga. that my Dad bought me when I was a kid and one 870 Rem 12 ga turkey gun now. My son has the last model 12 I had.

All the Winchester shotguns I've owned were un-doctored 30 in full choke and they would rip a target to pieces at 30 yards with 2-2-10s and 9s and they did pretty well with larger shot too. Part of the fun of going to shooting matches was swapping guns and I've owned a truck load of guns. I've always had more fun hunting with a bow, that I EVER did hunting with a gun.

The Freepers come calling here they might get a return volley of Easton XX-75s with three blade wasp broadheads on them. Bowhunting Freepers is a sport that would have made Fred Bears Trophy Wall Complete IMHO!

BTW...I shot "Expert" with my M-16! Probably because I grew up shooting and owning guns of about every type. ALL the 'FREEPER TYPES' I went through boot camp with, shot Bolos.

[Ron Green]

28. M-14, M-16, Colt .45, 50-Caliber, M-79.

Went through all of basic training on the M-14; this was in spring of 1966, before the 5.56mm was distributed throughout the training centers.

[The Stranger]

29. I was Agent Orange.

“I was in the Green Berets. Airborne tactics, specialist tactics unit battalion. It was real hush-hush. I was Agent Orange, that was my name, Agent Orange.”

- Trading Places

[snooper2]

32. I never understood gun "training"

Has always been a pretty basic concept to me.....don't aim a loaded gun at someone unless you want to kill them, don't hand a person the blade end of a knife, etc.,

Except when I was twelve and killed a sow with a 30-06 and got knocked on my ass. Learned the difference in power from the Rugar 22 I used when I was hunting wabbits!

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Me officially not on waepons

I was a field medic, for the Red Cross, so I was not suppsed to officially know how to really handle a weapon (anotehr army), but the Uzi is my friend... Oh and was shot at more times than I care to remember.

Right now I am also proficent with a Sig 229 9mm, and a couple .40s

My husband... well he retired from the Navy as a USN Submariner, M-60, M-14, M-16, Colt 45 and Beretta 9 mm, and he has seen actual hot action as in the kidn of getting shot at, don't ask.. he is also certified right now with the Sig and his forties.

Oh and the freepers are chicken haws... that is why they have not gone and joined

[karlrschneider]

35. Only the M-1 but I was already an excellent shot, had guns since age 8

still have several. Getting the Small Arms Expert ribbon was a piece of cake. :D

[Aristus]

36. M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank, the M16, the M1911 .45cal pistol,

the Beretta 9mm, the M2 .50cal machine gun (Ma Deuce), the M240 combat vehicle-mounted machine gun, the M60 machine gun........that's it, I think. And you know, we could take the freepers without firing a shot; just block shipments of Coors and black out broadcasts of NASCAR races and they'd give up in a heartbeat. B-)

[melm00se]

37. nothing like a

good old "my dick is bigger than your dick" dicussion...

[Hubert Flottz]

41. Well...................I don't like to bragg but...

I ain't heard any complaints!

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. So what's the matter

Having a problem with myth busting?

[Just Me]

53. I love it!!! We have some incredibly courageous and talented folks,...

,...here on DU. Freepers are full of shit!!! They haven't a damn clue!!!

[0007]

72. Then catch a dummy or take a hike if it bothers YOU. n/t

[The Doctor.]

81. No, it's myth-busting

See here;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5429169&mesg_id=5431756

[MrBenchley]

89. Especially since the thread that the OPer claims got

"their panties in a bunch" did no such thing...check out post 193 and afterwards...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2191657

I guess it's just a coincidence that these trigger happy threads pop up here whenever the GOP get sin big trouble...after all, what, except an outbreak of "leftist violence" could salvage Republican popularity.

Last fall, when Rush and Hannity called DU a "hate site" there were dozens of threads like these.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

99. You must be very envious.

[OxQQme]

38. 1958-1962 Marines

I was trained as a naval gunfire spotter during a time between conflicts so I never shot at anything but targets.
Expert with M-1 and Colt 45 (the personal weapons).
My arsenal consisted of the ships in PacFleet.
Navy ships must prove themselves annually on land based targets so they would pull into Pearl Harbor and pick up one of our teams, then steam over to this tiny gov owned island, put us ashore where we would go up to the highest spot, in a concrete bunker, and give shooting directions back to the ship by radio. For night practice, we illuminated the scene with a few rounds of WP (willy pete), called one round to see if they were aimed at the coordinates, made adjustments as needed, then 'fire for effect' salvos. 5", 6", and 8" guns.
During earlier conflicts the navy used to shoot volkswagen beetle sized bullets five miles but they were in mothballs by my time.
I also cross-trained with the other half of my battalion as air-fire spotter. So I also count jet planes as part of my arsenal.
On a personal level, now, almost forty years later, I don't own a gun or a spear or a bow.
I did, recently, go out with a friend and stirred up the dirt around a target with a pellet gun. :o)

[puerco-bellies]

77. Almost hit a couple of you guys with a 5" shell off Puerto Rico

Some little island the Navy used to use as target practice. No one got hurt, but I felt compelled to buy a few marines drinks when we got back to Rosey Roads P.R.

[malmapus]

39. Most NATO and WARSAW Pact Arms

Oh god..been a while but off the top of my head.


M16A1, M16A2, Mark 19, M-60, SAW, AK-47, AK-74, RPK, 9mm, LAW, 50. cal, tAT-4, RPG, various grenades / claymore.

EDIT: God almost forgot, K-bar (yeah had to buy my own since Army doesn't issue them pfft) and bayonet!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Marines. M1, M14, flamethrower, .45, BAR, bazooka, grenades.

But, you can count me out of shooting people. I don't have a gun, don't want one, and think they should be (at least) registered.

[Jackpine Radical]

45. M-14, M-16, .50 cal MG, .30 cal MG, 106mm Recoilless, .45 pistol

M-79 Grenade Launcher, LAW, 3.5" bazooka, hand grenades, Claymores, Fugassi flame mines & various "field-expedient explosive devices (what they now call IED, I guess).

My MOS in AIT was 11-H (antitank infantry), which is why I trained on all those strange weapons. Then of course they sent me to Vietnam, where there were no enemy tanks.

[malmapus]

47. My unit was one of the last at Ft. Bragg to still have a 106mm Recoilless

Man I remember being on the detail turning that thing in to be de-comm'd. Freaking was heavy as hell getting it on and back off the duce.

[Wcross]

46. Lets see...

M16, m203 grenade launcher,m-60, Ma deuce (I loved shooting that!) and the 1911 colt.
I also had many opportunity's to observe some very awesome weapons being fired. Anywhere from a law rocket to a 155mm howitzer.

[Dr. Death]

48. I fly black helicopters for the UN

and we have the addresses of those freepers...

[BloodyWilliam]

50. I'm a civie, but I have a gun question that would suit this thread.

Most I've fired was a stage-prop Beretta (real gun, demilled and loaded with blanks. Fucker was LOUD though). Well, and my various Airsoft and Nerf guns, but I'm a giant nerd. :)

I've heard from almost everyone who's into guns that the AK-47 (and 74?) is essentially mechanically perfect. It doesn't jam, it's sturdy, it's simple, and it's reliable. So... why are M-series assault rifles more popular in the US armed forces than the inexpensive, reliable AK's?

I'm fairly ignorant regarding guns, but I'm curious about this.

[tabasco]

61. Great question. I have no answer.

Why did we have the crummy Sherman tanks?

The M16A2 is a fairly decent combat rifle, but I would take an AK-74 over an M-16 any day.

[Mountainman]

63. I think because the AK's were made in communist countries.

[anarch]

78. yeah, I'm fairly sure that is the reason n/t

[malmapus]

65. Well the AKs are durable, but ours (M series) are more accurate.

Wish I could remember what I was told in training that made those AKs so freaking unbreakable, but I noticed when I was using it that my accuracy wasn't what it was with say the M16A2. But yeah don't really need it when firing fully automatic with that beast anyway.

The M-16s we used weren't anything like they were when they first came out in Vietnam. But still, get a speck of dirt on the bolt and would jam up in a heartbeat. Lost count of the jams I had to clear in basic, even had a few afterwards when I knew how to keep it clean (luckily not when I really needed it to be working for me).

[jmowreader]

117. Why would you want our brave patriotic boys shooting commie guns?

The AK and the M-16 are designed around two vastly different belief systems.

Comrade Kalashnikov (yes, the rifle is named after the man who invented it) was directed to produce a rifle that would use the abundant 7.62x39mm rifle ammo, that would be effective against a soldier who's as far as 500 feet away from you, that would be reliable and easy to make, and that would be so simple to maintain and produce that someone could operate and maintain the weapon with almost no training whatsoever. He created an arm that can be made in an open-air factory, that could be disassembled with a blindfold on (complete instructions for disassembling the Kalashnikov: press the receiver cover catch, remove the receiver cover, stand the rifle on its buttplate, and catch the parts as they fall out), and that is absolutely reliable under either the worst conditions.

Eugene Stoner, who designed the M-16, was given a weight target, a requirement that the weapon work in desert, jungle, temperate and arctic climates, and a requirement that the rifle be able to accurately hit targets 1500 feet away. Oh, and we need it by the end of next month. So he took a rifle he'd already designed and scaled it to fire the .223 Winchester cartridge. (Then the US went to NATO headquarters, called a meeting, and declared that we were leaving NATO unless this shitty round was approved as an Official NATO Caliber. Now we call it 5.56mm NATO.)

Now is where it gets fun: The Stoner action is gas-operated. How it works is very simple: when you pull the trigger, the round flies down the barrel. When it passes the front sight post, some of the rifle's exhaust gas is diverted into this little tube. The gas cycles the action--it pushes the bolt back, which causes the empty casing to be extracted, and cocks the weapon. When the casing flies out of the ejection port, a fresh round is pushed up into the chamber, the bolt returns to battery, and you're ready to fire another round. All this is highly dependent on the kind of gunpowder you use. There are two kinds: ball powder, which looks like tiny balls, and Improved Military Rifle powder, which looks like flakes. Ball was designed for artillery pieces. The difference is burn rate: ball burns slower but builds up more pressure as it burns, which is good in a cannon. All of the .223 rounds available to Stoner were loaded with IMR, and he designed his rifle to use IMR. Then the Army realized they had enough ball powder to blow up the world and ordered the Lake City Ammunition Plant to load the 5.56mm NATO rounds with ball powder. This is why you saw so fucking many triple feeds and other horseshit on M16 and M16A1 rifles--the gas system was designed wrong. When the M16A2 was designed, they changed the gas system to be compatible with ball powder and, as a result, the M16A2 and the M4 carbine feed reliably.

Basically, the two rifles are designed for two different styles of fighting: the AK was made to be used as part of a team that has longer-range rifles; the M16 was designed to be used as a longer-range rifle.

[noonwitch]

51. NO2 dispensers (LOL)

You know, those little cannisters you open up to fill balloons? I'm really good at working those.

[Romulus]

52. USMC c.1990-1995

List of systems:

MEU SOC qualified with the M16A2/M203 grenade launcher (goes BOOM)
Expert qual with M9 pistol

Since I was with an infantry battalion, I was cross-trained on:

M60E3 MMG
M249 SAW
MK19 grenade launcher
TOW system
AT-4
81mm mortar
laser target designator

Learned the procedure to call airstrikes and artillery strikes


I even got to learn how to operate the M1A1 tank . . . .

Edited to add:

Forgot the C4/TNT types of explosives and also the mine (AP and AT) stuff, too . . .

[Just Me]

59. My brother served around that time frame,....

,...'88 - '93. I know nothing about weapons but remember him earning some kind of "sharp shooter" award.

He's on his way to Iraq via Kuwait, right now, as an NG. Hope he returns whole,...but, I worry incessantly about him.

[Romulus]

62. wow

Tell your bro' I'll be prayin' for him . . . (just another veteran who wants him to come home safe and sound)

"Sharpshooter" was a marksmanship qualification grade, just below expert and just above marksman. (Only three grades available)

[GregW]

54. M1911

OK - so I was never actually *trained* on it - but I shoot a 1911 competitively and I would outshoot any Freeper and his nerf gun.

Also do all my reloading.

[MetaTrope]

56. Just the M-16 ... bleh

Pretty weak stuff compared to the muskets, shotguns, rifles, revolvers and automatics of my childhood.

[Cats Against Frist]

57. I'll chime in for my liberal-as-hell ex-military boyfriends

One ex was trained in M-16 and had extensive handgun training, my current boyfriend was trained in M-16. I, myself, am pretty handy with a .22 and a 12-gauge. I will eventually take handgun training, but I haven't, as of yet.

[Stahl]

58. Let's see...

Mostly low-tech stuff I guess:

AK-derivates,
Dragunov sniper rifle,
9mm pistol,
7.62 LMG,
12.7 AA-Machine gun,
LAW,
at least 8 different types of mines (placing minefields and removal),
and lots of different kinds of explosives, demolitions, traps in general.

[mandyky]

60. M 16 was it for me

although I did get to fire an M 60 and throw grenades. We were also taught about Claymore Mine equipment. ;)

In civilian life, in Upstate NY, deer hunting is a big deal so most of us know about shotguns, rifles, and pistols, as well as bow and arrows.

[Brewman_Jax]

64. Since you asked...

.45 automatic, 9mm, M-16, M-14, 12-gauge shot gun. Even got to fire an M-60 once--that was big fun!

[yorgatron]

66. if you include ALL weapons,not just firearms,then

M-16,M-60,hand grenades,and claymore mines.
i currently stay proficient on handguns by regular trips to the firing range.

[Brewman_Jax]

68. That's fine

but I think you wanted to respond to the OP.

[BrotherBuzz]

67. M-16, M-60, M-72, M-79, M-1911, and.....

Atomic Demolition Munitions (ADM) ....:shrug:

[ProfessorGAC]

73. Ordinance & Demolitions

Is that good enough? The classes were conducted for civilians expert in the background by the Army Corps of Engineers.
The Professor

[puerco-bellies]

75. Nuclear Tipped MK 112 ASROC (Rocket thrown torpedo),

(I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on-board any U.S. Naval vessel)

Conventional MK 112 ASROC Torpedo, Harpoon Anti Ship Missle, MK 11 Torpedo, Tartar AAW missiles, MK 42 5" Guns (2), M-1911 .45 Cal, M-16.

[ArkDem]

76. F-15C Eagle

M-61A1 20mm
AIM-9L/M Sidewinder
AIM-7F/M Sparrow
AIM-120 AMRAAMs

M1911
Tippmann M-98 Sniper

[neuvocat]

79. M-16, M-60, Grenade Launcher, and Grenades.

The M-16's civillian equivalent is called the Colt AR-15 by the way but the only difference is that the AR-15 doesn't have the mechanism that allows you to shoot in automatic mode.

[StopThief]

80. I can use a spork.

;-)

[5thGenDemocrat]

82. All the standard basic training stuff (circa 1974)

M16, M203, M72, M60 (the .30 cal machine gun, NOT the tank), grenades and so on. And, later, the M1911 Colt .45, since I served occasionally as a courier in the Signal Corps.
John
Who is pretty sure he could still field-strip and reassemble an M16 in under, say, two minutes -- especially if I didn't have to do it blindfolded. Come and get me, piggies.

[BrotherBuzz]

95. Field stripping and reassemble an M16 is tough these days...

I need reading glasses to see that damn cotter pin in the bolt. You know what I mean, Vern? ;)

[5thGenDemocrat]

128. You're right -- I hadn't thought about that

Heck, I keep my "view" setting on this computer set at 120 percent most of the time these days. And that was a pretty teeny cotter pin even back at 17 when I could still see.
John
Revolution now!! In ten more years, I'm a-gonna need a 4-inch Bofors gun to fight 'em off.

[Nordmadr]

84. Ok, let's see...

5" 54 Mk 45 Mod 2 Lightweight Gun System





That's my old gun right on the aft end on the fantail.


M-16
M-14
M-203 Grenade Launcher
Frag/Smoke Grenades
.50 cal Machine Gun
M-60
.45 Pistol (M-1911A1)
9 MM Pistol
12 gauge pump action shotgun (Mossberg I think)
LAW (backblast area clear!!!!)
other assorted grenade launchers

Olaf

[jokerman93]

86. Weapons

Trained/Expert Qualified:

M-4 carbine
M-16
M-16A1
M-60
.45 Baretta

Trained:
AK-47

(Don't you just love myth busting?)

:hippie:

citizen J.

[MrBenchley]

88. LOL!! Actually the freepers couldn't wait to troll over here

to pretend that they were Democrats with popguns....

Meanwhile on their own site, they were avidly looking forward to having a gun battle....

Fun to see though, that we have "pro gun democrats" just as unhinged as they are, daydreaming about plugging their fellow citizens and getting away with it.

[yorgatron]

90. i forgot about the grenade launcher,

the one that can be attached to an M-16.
i got to fire an AK-47 once,when we had a day at the Russian weapons day in boot camp.

[MrBenchley]

91. Hot cha cha....

[jokerman93]

123. I take exception, sir

I would expect that many of us served honorably in the military and were trained under oath to defend the constitution. Nothing unhinged about that -- and CERTAINLY no daydreams of bloodshed or violence against ANYONE.

Speaking for myself, I don't own a firearm and have no interest in doing so. I'm a leftist progressive in favor of legal, controlled, and sane gun ownership for those who feel the need.

Another need is to watch our unexamined characterizations of others...

Citizen J.

:patriot::hippie:
patriot- hippie

[MrBenchley]

132. Take what you will

As a Democrat, I find this sort of thread both insulting and silly.

"CERTAINLY no daydreams of bloodshed or violence against ANYONE."
Which is why the thread calls out the freepers by name. (snicker) The whole point of this thread is to serve as a not so veiled threat of violence toward right wingers...and of course the danger is that one our little darlings might not realize that it is just blowhard rhetoric and go out and plug somebody.

And look at the good these displays do for the cause the trigger-happy claim to espouse! Larry Mattlage sure gave the GOP added prestige...

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_227144643.html

And let's not forget the contribution of gun enthusiast Larry Northern to the Republican effort.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0816051texas1.html

"Another need is to watch our unexamined characterizations of others..."
I've examined this issue six ways from Sunday...and I find these "gotta getta gun" threads disgraceful.

And you can huff and puff all you want...but the last time we had one of these threads, the freepers didn't do anything but fantasize happily about the carnage that was sure to ensue, as the links show, and boast about how they were trolling over here to brag about guns.

[jokerman93]

134. I appreciate your point of view

There IS a danger in the kind of rhetoric you're responding to. The point I was trying to make was a narrow one. I just wanted to post a caution about blanket characterizations - which is why I (at least) posted some of my military training in the first place. I did it in the interest of myth-busting. I challenge the right-wing stereotype that "liberals" are unpatriotic, anti-military, or unfamiliar with the technology of war. In fact, I'd dare say many so-called liberals are staunchly against this war of choice because they realistically understand something about the terrible costs of war - through experience and/or honorable service.

Simply that.

Sure, some folks need to grow up. Some don't get the gravity of the issues you raise. I'm just pointing out that a man or woman who knows how to defend "hirself" is not necessarily a brute. The peace movement has always had plenty of room for those who've served. Obviously, you know that, but it's apparently still news for the freepers.

:toast:

[MrBenchley]

135. The freepers though are never going to get it...

...and if they did, they'd lie about it.

By the way, is there anything that demonstrates what a disgraceful and dishonorable disaster the GOP's war is better than the very public cowardice of young Republicans?

[jokerman93]

136. Maybe I'm more optimistic than you

I think if you keep making the point some of the fence-sitters will get it. Eventually.

B-)

And that's better than nothing.

J.

[MrBenchley]

138. Go back and read the first thread again....

This chest-thumping has nothing to do with fence-sitters (who, I suspect, have begun to get it lately)....

[jokerman93]

140. Yeah

I get what you're responding to.

[annarbor]

92. I'm a former Marine and currently a cop...

So.......
M-16 A1, Sig Sauer P228, P226, P230, Smith and Wesson .38 and .357 magnum, and the Remington Shotgun.

I don't hunt, I only carry my gun when I absolutely have to, and by the way, I'm a woman and a very proud Liberal!



Ann Arbor

[lildreamer316]

105. Welcome to DU!!

Always glad and proud to welcome someone who has served and is still serving!
As a woman who was raised in a no-gun household; I am learning to respect firearms. Thanks for the inspriation.

[William Seger]

93. M-14, M-16, .45 pistol, .50 cal, M-79 grenade launcher, 80mm mortar

[Beacho]

96. Lots of goodies

As a cavalry scout you get to play with all kinds of toys, including M-60, Beretta 9mm, M-203, .50 cal 'mod deuce' heavy barrel, Bradley weapons systems(as a gunner) Viper anti armour missiles(serious upgrade of the LAW rocket), and demolitions training.

Got to shoot the old .45 cal 'grease guns' when they were decommissioned in 91, as well as shooting Warsaw Pact weapons at a range in Meinz.

[ArkDem]

124. The M2 is refered to as 'Ma Duece'.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

97. .45 semi-automatic, M-14, M-16, shotgun, M-79 grenade launcher...

...3-inch/50 naval gun, 5-inch naval gun, 8-inch naval gun, field artillery (all calibers).

Military Schools: Naval Gunfire (directing fire from ships), Naval Gunfire Support (directing naval gunfire from positions on shore), Fire Support Coordinator (all weapons but small-arms: mortars, field artillery, naval gunfire, air support).

[ewagner]

98. M-16

.38 Service Revolver
.45 Automatic

and, uh, oh yeah....B-52s...

[ArkDem]

142. Did you meet Fred Schneider and Kate Pierson?

[Selatius]

100. Various shotguns and handguns

When I was in jr. high in Mississippi, my school had gun safety classes, and they taught us how to properly handle, fire, and maintain guns. Then they took us out to the shooting range to practice with the supervision of off-duty police officers. I liked the pump action shotgun the best.

[Paladin]

101. Due Respect To All Of You And Your Military Training........

....but when was it decided that trying to impress a bunch of Freepers was a good idea, regarding guns or anything else?

These are the kind of mouth-breathing little fascists who are taking such pleasure in trashing the honorable military careers of John Kerry, John Murtha, and other prominent Democrats. Do you really think they're going to be impressed or intimidated by a list of how many weapons the armed forces taught you to use?

A thread like this makes you look defensive, and gives Freepers a measure of credibility they don't deserve. Quit doing them favors.

(And for you Freepers who are lurking around this thread: I'll be happy to let you know the kinds of weaponry with which I'm familiar, right after you fuck yourselves until you hemorrhage.)

[Ron Green]

102. HOT DAMN! Lets all go over to FR and have a FIREPOWER DEMONSTRATION!!

[MrBenchley]

121. On the other hand

One of the latest dishonest memes around the right wing is that it is liberals who are the extremists who threaten violence (Michelle Malkin just wrote a whole book about it)....sure seems like a good time to have this sort of thread, don't it?

And let's not discount the possiblity that one of our hotheads might actually get overheated and plug some "freeper" (or a postman) due to this sort of silly rhetoric.

[ArkDem]

141. You are sooooo manly!

:toast:

[Barking Spider]

104. 9mm, M-16, riot shotgun, OC spray

Semper Paratus!

[ornotna]

106. Aircraft Carrier

CV-67 USS John F Kennedy :evilgrin:

[dogman]

108. German Shepherd

M-16, M14, M-60, M-79, M-1911, .50 cal, LAW, C-4, Det Cord, Hand-to-hand, Bayonet, Garrotte, and the most lethal weapon that none of them know how to use-Human Brain.

[McLuhan]

109. M-1,

50 caliber,30 caliber carbine. I earned an expert badge. They drafted me with one good eye,and Mickey Mantle was deferred because of his bad ankles. Go figure!

[lovelaureng]

110. Here's my small list:

M16A2, M60(a little here), grenade launcher, bazooka, grenades, and oh, yes, the claymore.

I need to mention something else I am expertly trained at and highly proficient in:


SHIT BURNING!!!


This could be used as a weapon, if thrown in the right direction.


:patriot:

[VOX]

111. Colt M1911, Browning Hi-Power, M-16A2...

And for fun, the 303 Enfield No.4 Mk.1, and the classic Springfield 30-06.

[Walt Starr]

112. M16, M60, M79, LAW, Claymore mine, Hand Grenade, M1911A1 .45 caliber ACP

[me b zola]

113. small arms

For me it was just M-16

[Elwood P Dowd]

114. M-16 and M-14

along with various shotguns and pistols after my army days.

[madeline_con]

115. "... it would be easy for him to take us out ..."

I want this one to stop by.....

[two gun sid]

116. M-14, M-16, M-60, M-79, .45ACP, 12 gauge shotgun...

at Marine Weapons School in Little Creek, VA.

[misternormal]

118. Geeze... Lets. see if I can remember...

Some of the military nomenclature eludes me, so bear with me.

M-14, M-16, M-203, M-1911A1 (.45cal semi-auto pistol), M-79, .38cal revolver, .45cal machine gun (Grease Gun), M-60 Machine Gun, 90mm main tank weapon, 105mm main tank weapon, 30cal coax machine gun, 50cal machine gun...

I think that's it... been awhile.

[seito]

119. Qualified M-16, .45 and 9mm

Medical Service Corps-Weapons are carried and used strictly for self defense and the protection of patients.

[DanCa]

120. I am a real life super spy like manchurian candidate.

Honestly I dont think I have parkinsons the tremors are the after effects of all the steriods that they used to juice me up. They also messed with my head which is why I have bouts of falling asleep like manchuraian candidate. It turns out that my fear of driving means that I am really a combat qualified fighter pilot and my dislike in guns means that my I am really an expert marksman. Yep just like manchurian candidate or captain america.

[ArkDem]

122. Can you remember, at all, what aircraft you have hours in?

[DanCa]

125. Nothing specific but i have cravings for tomato juice and ramen noodles.

And i weird lump on my left shoulder. I have also been listening to country music and I hate country.

[ArkDem]

130. Sounds like the Su-27. I wish you could tell me what it feels like

to perform the cobra technique!

[TahitiNut]

126. M-1, M-14, M-16, M-60, and M-79. (Claymores and hand grenades, too.)

[lonestarnot]

127. M-16

And run! Due to sitting duck target as radar unit.

[sakabatou]

131. I'm more of the hand to hand

Nunchuks, saber, tanto (nightstick)

[NMDemDist2]

133. my DH was trained in M-16, 50-cal, 45 auto, M203 grenade launcher

M-79 grenade launcher
90MM rifle
M-60A3 Tank crew
LAW rockets
Claymore mines
Hand grenades
Model 12 shot gun

and he's a much BIGGER liberal than I am. He worked with most of these weapons on a daily basis in the high security details he pulled

and he says (and I quote) "It seems freepers make the mistake of confusing being peace loving with being a coward. I'm also a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, so bring it on Freeper!"


edit to add, as for me (all 5'2", 135 pounds of me) my dad (25 year AF veteran) put a .22 cal in my hand when I turned 6 years old, I am familiar with/have owned 30/30 lever action rifle, .38 Barretta, .32 snub nose, 12 gauge shotgun, .22 cal long rifle, 30-06 rifle

while we don't own any guns currently, I expect to own another when we move to a rural area in the next couple years. You never know when you'll need one for varmints.

[Vickers]

139. M-16, .45, 9mm

Expert Marksman, says so right there on my DD-214! :P

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

144. M-16, 9mm Beretta.

[Touchdown]

146. I got you all beat. A 200cc syringe of Penicillin.

and a tiny steel q-tip. Want to see them run scared? :rofl:

Medic: 3/11 Cavalry, Bad Hersfeld Germany. 1985-87.

Also M-16. Colt 45. Morters. I shot off a howitzer once, but the Lt. Told the SSG to get "that dangerous medic" out of his gun! He got his flu shot the next week.:evilgrin: