Repukes say "Poor Jean Schmidt" didn't know Murtha was a marine

[bklyncowgirl]

Get this quote from Sunday's NYT.

"Several Republicans who were on the House floor said afterward that Ms. Schmidt did not appear to know she was referring to a much-decorated veteran.

"The poor lady didn't know Jack Murtha was a Marine - she really just ran into a hornet's nest," said Representative Jack Kingston of Georgia.

Representative David Dreier of California said, "Very clearly, she did not know that Jack Murtha was a Marine.""

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/national/20ohio.html?pagewanted=print

I can think of only one word to describe this BULLSHIT!

These guys are such out and out liars that they will put out the totally incredible in order to justify the unjustifiable conduct of one of their own.

Not that I was expecting them to admit fault but this exceeds all expectations.

[ClintonTyree]

1. Typical Republican........

have no idea what they're talking about, just keep attacking and spewing hate without the foggiest notion about the facts.
She is no "poor woman". Do a little research before you open your gaping maw, Jean.
She's the most despicable, vile, ugly woman in the House of Representatives.

[acmejack]

21. She knew he was a Marine.

I wouldn't be surprised if she was earning her cred by delivering a preplanned (by the Cons, that is) attack. Everyone in America who was not in a coma knew Murtha was a decorated Marine Colonel.

I call complete, total, utter BULLSHIT.

[Junkdrawer]

56. Her very condemnation says she knew:

"He asked me to send Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message: that cowards cut and run, Marines never do."

Somebody want to tell me how that makes sense if it wasn't a Marine trying to put down another Marine? :shrug:

[FreedomAngel82]

72. Exactly

And if you watch the whole thing again whenever they talk you'll hear the same old talking points about the military and hiding behind the troops. It was all pre-planned. EVERYTHING they do is preplanned. Only thing they care about is campaigning to keep their seats.

[Sydnie]

92. Even if .. and that's a big IF ... she didn't know, it's for sure

that Buph DID know and threw her under the bus. She must have owed Buph BIG TIME to have blindly walked into that. Just goes to show she was a plant of a candidate who didn't understand what it was she was running for, but was told that she would be told when the time came ... told how to vote, told what to say, told who to support and who to demonize ... They didn't want to elect someone that thought on their own.

She was just a body and a name on a ballot. Now, she is political history. Good enough.

[sellitman]

2. Whoever agrees with this obvious "SPIN" ....

Is just as guilty as the BITCH Ms. Schmidt.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

104. Another spin that is now twirling on the RW

is the "fact" that Murtha was in disagreement with the war to begin with. I think this is on the Malkin site, but I don't want to publish that link.

I read the article in the link and really interpretted it as Murtha questioning the wisdom of the war in the beginning but not coming down on it completely.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Another typical clueless RW loudmouth steps in it - right Jean?

Too bad honey - your real colors came through for all America to see.

How about taking your kids or grandkids down to the recruitment office first thing monday morning?

[bluestateguy]

4. That's why freshmen should keep their mouths shut

I did student government for 3 years in high school, and I can remember that freshmen were supposed to keep quiet.

Congress used to be that way too.

We need to go back to that.

[misternormal]

37. They told her what to say, to get...

...the reaction they got, IMHO.

Then they offer a ridiculous excuse... Idiots all !!

[FreedomAngel82]

73. Exactly!

Watching the whole thing it's clear to see. They're trying to use an emotional pull on people with the military. That's all.

[Reciprocity]

102. Why is this balls to the walls Marine stateside and not over in Iraq?

[DemonFighterLives]

47. But that is what they wanted Wellstone to do

In his case, he should have been moved to front and center. Poppy said, "who is this chickenshit". When they couldn't take him any longer, he died.

[POAS]

5. It wasn't just that he is a Marine

it is inappropriate to question another House member's service or call them a coward in the way she did.

Did she know she was attacking a Marine war hero? You betcha she did.

[countingbluecars]

6. Bullshit indeed.

If that were the case then why be so upset about his speech and resolution. How stupid do they think we are?

[Walt Starr]

7. Then why the fuck did the news go on and on about Murtha being a

highly decorated Marine war veteran for aboout a week before she denigrated his service to his country?

She knew, now we know she's a LYING WHORE!

[bklyncowgirl]

26. Correction: She's a dirty rotten no good bitch

Drier and Kingston are lying whores--they're the ones who are saying she didn't know he was a marine.

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[Flubadubya]

8. Jean, you ignorant slut!

Sorry, laaaaammmme excuse, dumbasses. If she didn't know, then she should have. Paahhleeeze!! :eyes:

[SillyGoose]

9. This is what I call the 'Rush Limbaugh Defense'.

Whenever one of these people (and I use that term loosely) gets caught in a lie or makes an asinine comment that gets them in hot water, they say they were only joking or they were taken out of context or, in this case, didn't know all the facts. They then proceed to play the victim card and turn it around on the big bad liberals for picking on them. Boo-freaking-hoo.

Its bullshit alright.

[mwb970]

31. It reminds me of Bill O'Reilly's recent "satirical riff".

You know, when he exhorted the terrorists to attack San Francisco. Turns out he was "joking". What fools.

[SillyGoose]

36. Yep, that's a classic example of the 'Rush Limbaugh Defense'.

Limbaugh was the pioneer in this strategy. I remember years ago whenever he would get caught red-handed in a lie or distortion he would fall back on the line that he is only providing entertainment, that he's only joking.

(I used to have to listen to his show back then because I shared an office with a guy who liked to listen to him. Pure hell for me.)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

10. It is not impossible that she did not know

Women are not into this sort of thing quite as much as men. But I would counter that she should have known.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

66. Well, all I can say about that is, I don't have a seat in Congress,

I'm a woman, and I knew. I am a retired nurse, and when I went to work, I knew everything about the job I was supposed to do. If I hadn't been "into that sort of thing" I never would have become a nurse.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

67. I agree

she should have known, but I also think it could be true that she did not. She is brand new and still learning, and personally, military status is not one of the things I would learn first.

So I'm not excusing her lack of knowledge, she should have learned. But I don't necessarily think it is a lie.

stupidity vs dishonesty

take your pick!

[FreedomAngel82]

77. She knew

Like other said it was all over the media. She didn't care. All she cared about was using the talking points of hiding behind the troops. So please.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

103. So please what?

You choose dishonesty. I choose stupidity.

Either way she loses.

[Clark2008]

99. It doesn't matter if she knew he was in the Marines or not.

What matters is that she sure as hell knew that you don't call other Congressmen names on the Congressional floor.

Any idiot serving in Congress should know that - that's taught in How to Be a Representive 101.

[FreedomAngel82]

76. Exactly

And you should make sure before you give a speech like that and make accusations and slam another veteran like that. She knew. You could tell in the tone of her voice she knew damn well.

[Sydnie]

93. Please see my post # 92

If she didn't know ... Buph most certainly did.

[pretzel4gore]

11. the depravity knows no bounds!

i mean, who cares what she knew or didn't? she called someone a coward for taking a stand against 'bozobush and the filthy few' with all the mediawhores, sycophants, brown nosers, freepers, hate filled neocons, zionists, nazipoohs and 'conswervatives' behind them, ready to lie and fabricate and even kill for the cause of mindless greed. and what did she do? why stood tall behind men who control a multi trillion dollar economy, a multimillion man military, a vast swath of mediawhore liars and bush promoters, plus 50 million bush voters! quite the pos, really!

[hwmnbn]

12. She didn't KNOW?!?!.....

Then shut the fuck up! Especially at the podium on the floor of the house. What else doesn't she know?

I also call bullshit on this and them.




edit to correct spelling, I was so pissed!

[CottonBear]

13. Bush said that Murtha called for an immediate pull out which is untrue.

No journalists have yet called him on this lie. He said it in his press conference in China. I saw it on TV this morning. Now, a CSPAN caller to WJ tried to correct this lie but the point was mostly ignored.

Did I mention that Jean is a lying sack of shit? Did I mention I detest her stupid red, white and blue outfits.

I cannot believe that Jack Kingston called her that 'poor woman," :grr: I hate Kingston. His dad is my neighbor. Fortunately, his dad is a nice guy and junior rarely if ever shows up in the neighborhood.

[immoderate]

60. The so-called "journalists" make the same mistake.

I have heard several news reports that said that Murtha called for an immediate withdrawal.

This is really sad.

--IMM

[FreedomAngel82]

79. And you're right about the Murtha bill

Anyone who reads it can understand it. It's not written in a complicated manner or anything. I betcha my younger cousin's could read it and know what he's saying. He says in an appropriate way. Not like tomorrow all at once.

[KharmaTrain]

14. What A Set Up

First...Schmidt didn't just go up and grab the microphone and blab...she was scheduled by someone in the GOOP leadership for that time and they had a pretty good idea of what she was gonna say before she got up there. I won't even do into Drier's total bullshit, but she knew what she was doing, the Repugnicans knew what they were doing. It was chickenshit tactics.

They hoped to get the videos of the "big mean Democrats" beating up on this poor small white woman and, sure enough, out comes the wacko base with the spin points and the parallel universe/history. In their view, it was Murtha who was beating up on her, not the other way around. The bully! :sarcasm:

[FreedomAngel82]

80. Right!

Especially a newbie. *snort* Sorry hon the big leagues now. Nobody cares if you're new.

[Clark2008]

100. Yeah.. Harold Ford Jr. is a "big mean Democrat"

:rofl:

[countingbluecars]

15. Didn't she say

Cowards cut and run, MARINES never do. Who the hell did she think she was talking to?

[Cassandra]

16. Did the people in her district really prefer someone this ignorant...

over Paul Hackett? She should shut her mouth if she can't manage to do her homework, or even watch the news.

[Vinca]

17. So this means that Jean is not only frightening,

she's dumb as a stump, too?

[cassiepriam]

18. They always play the stupid card when all else fails.

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. I wonder how the RW talk-radio whores will address her remarks

when they hide behind their microphones monday and suck up to Bush and all his wonderful accomplishments. I'll bet they wish they could trash Murtha, but don't dare to.

My bet is they'll minimize (re: distort) the incident if they mention it at all.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

20. How could she not know?

Just looking at Murtha and guesstimating his age would make you think he served at some point, considering the draft was still around.

[cmd]

24. Not when all her buddies had deferments n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

45. excellent point

[masjenkins]

30. this leads to an interesting conversation with my kool aid mom.....

She called me on friday night.. right after my husband and I were trying to make sense of what "actually" happened in that mess in the "house" . I mentioned the guys name (murtha) and she immediately said "OH THAT BUFFOON!!!" I was trying to explain what actually "happened".. ie.. regarding the resolution. She kept saying .. "Thats not what he said in his SPEECH".. I tried to explain the difference between a speech and congressional matters... Then she proceeded to go into a long diatribe about how "this name calling has gotten out of control".. I responded with,,, "MOM.. you called the guy a buffoon".. I then decided to change the subject. I give up. Her father was a hard core Misery Dem. Love her dearly .. I have always been careful about political subject matter but she has gotten worse with the kool aid thing,(way more rabid.. whats in the reservation water these days? anyone know?????) My husband has a RW dad from Idaho.. He keeps telling his dad " You are out of touch with the majority of Americans".. shuts him right up. I can't say that to my mom, cause I love her too much.. and she is getting old. whatever,, KOOL AID FOR ALL.

[rasputin1952]

51. I had to LOL when I read about your mom...I am in the same situation...

However, the last time I spoke w/her on anything political,she confided in me that bush was the worst president she had ever seen, (we're talking about back to the Calvin Coolidge days here), and she felt the nation was coming apart because of bush and his policies.

This, from a woman who will not carry a dime, because it has FDR on it!

Sometimes...it is better to change the subject, and let them work it out as facts present themselves. Those that follow the GOP line come around to reality eventually, albeit grudgingly...:)

[FreedomAngel82]

84. Oh wow

That's always a surprising thing to me when I read about that or have that happen to me. My Grandma said the same thing pretty much a week or so ago. I about fell off the couch.

[FreedomAngel82]

83. Sorry for your Mom

:( And yes how hypocritical. They say "no more name calling" and than turn around and call someone a name themselves. :eyes: Do as I say not as I do.

[depakid]

22. Republicans are so used to lying and having it covered up

or passed over by their apologists and sycophants in the corporate media that they'll say anything these days.

With some assertiveness and little bit a savy, the Dems can actually use that tendency to their great advantage. Key words being assertiveness and savy.

[Mel]

23. first word out of my mouth

when I read this headline was BULLSHIT!

Thing is if she didn't know it's her job to find the hell out before she opens her mouth on the floor. She's a snot nose in the House and she's a fool not to dot her i's and cross her t's! I damn sure wouldn't want the likes of her representing me if I was a Republican.

Therefore, which is worse? the lie or the fact that she's a dumb ass it's a given that she's mean spirited.

[Justice Is Comin]

25. She is definitely the original wicked witch of the North.

If you put that pointed hat on her and a broom between her legs, she could of flew around the room.

[awoke_in_2003]

46. a broom is the only thing

that ever gets between her legs :)

[shenmue]

27. Do what? Didn't he tell her that?

Or didn't she say he was?

Does Rep. Dave Drier have anything between his ears that would stop a pipe cleaner if you shoved it on through?

What idiots.

:grr:

:banghead:

:dunce:

How do pieces of garbage like this get into the Congress? What is wrong with the voters? (Or the Diebold...) I swear, after Lumphead is cleared out of office, we are going to have to run through the floor of both houses of Congress and clean them down with Lysol and mops and everything. It's not the dirt. It's the stupidity. We don't want it infecting the next crop.

[KarenS]

28. Lying Bastards!! ALL of them!!

How could a person see the clip of her saying that AND not know that she knew exactly what she was saying????

Besides that,,,,, pretending for a moment that she didn't know,,,,, what reasonable intelligent person calls someone a coward publicly AND doesn't know their background,,,,

give me a break!!!

[charlyvi]

29. So, she's too stupid to be held responsible for her words?

Is that what they're saying? Wow. Just Wow.

[Cha]

98. Talk about "politics making

Strange bedfellows", charlyvi!

If it were a Dem saying something grossly untrue about a repuke, you can bet ignorance would not be an excuse.

The only trouble with that analogy is that the Dem would be speaking the truth about a repug.

[ContraBass Black]

32. Everyone is missing the point

That it's wrong to go calling people cowards like this, marine or not.

[efhmc]

58. I totally agree. This statement was meant as a slam no matter who the

person was who was referred to as a coward. It is a way of not debating the REAL issues. Name calling is the hight point of a bushbot "debate". They have no facts. They have not points. They have no character. This is how they communicate.

[Blue Diadem]

33. I'm so sick of republican excuses.

They think they can do and say whatever they want and not be held accountable. What she did was typical for them..slam the ones who serve this country.

She's one of the most vile people I've ever seen.

[Gman]

34. Bullshit! She was sent blindfolded into a hornet's nest

and she was more than willing to live up to her reputation of being a nut.

[wildeyed]

35. She knew,

I bet the whole thing was pre-planned. You can tell by the way she said it that she practiced and that she was loving the drama. Then it turns out not to have been a good move so her co-conspirators try to provide some cover.

Mean Jean, how appropriate. I guess we can call her Mean Stupid Jean now.

[FreedomAngel82]

Exactly

Go back and watch the video of her little speech. You can tell she practiced this. She had it all placed perfectly for drama empahisis and the like. No mistake at all. And she made it clear to whom she was talking to and that she did know he was a Marine.

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Total CROCK OF SHIT! People aren't going to buy that bullshit line.

The repuke's problem?...THEY THINK WE'RE ALL AS IGNORANT AS THEIR SUPPORTERS ARE! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: SORRY, MEAN JEAN....you're gonna have to think of another excuse. The entire WORLD knows Murtha is a Marine! :rofl::rofl:

[Deb]

40. She either acted like an old Amer. Legion Auxiliary barfly

Loud, drunk and clueless or it's a CYA lie that she didn't know Murtha was a Marine. Beautiful. :rofl:

[Justice Is Comin]

42. She needed the hat and the broom.

[Lochloosa]

41. It does not matter if she knew or not!

Calling someone a coward is just flat out wrong. Especially on the floor of the house. So Jean, go fuck yourself!

[efhmc]

59. Agreed.

[dogday]

43. Jean is already being asked to pay the piper

for her party and be the one who stands up and calls a hero a coward. They will leave her on her own to face the music...

[Arugula Latte]

70. Yet they cheered when AWOL Bush did the same to Kerry.

nt

[bleedingheart]

44. Yeah right Jean...big liar...

[KayLaw]

48. Some may believe it

Not normal or sane people, of course, but the DittoHead/Freeper cultists will likely be repeating it all week.

[MarkTwain]

49. She's obviously so fucking dumb...

... that this may well be a true explanation.

The GOP is not known for having the brightest cards in the deck (just more clever at evil).

Christ, look who they have as a their "leader." End of story.

[Ilsa]

50. It was all over the news that he was a decorated career Marine!

That was part of what made his statement about redeplying the troops so remarkable and dagerous to the neocons. Of course she knew. Bitch.

[DemonFighterLives]

52. When I saw her making her curse

I could only think of the wicked witch of the west, N, S and E. Them stars on her chest only made her look more like a prop.
She made all witches and republicans look bad.
:nopity:

[Kadie]

53. Bullshit! n/t

[Hugin]

54. Alas, what a time to discontinue the use of the B-word...

She knew exactly what she was doing when the attack was made.
It was a planned diversion to take attention away from the
Issue at hand and direct it toward useless oblivion.

[Bunny]

81. What "B-word" are you referring to?

[Hugin]

88. Check the newly revised DU rules...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Scroll down to the "Special Note" on the usage of a specific word.

Nuff said?

[Bunny]

90. That's why your post confused me.

We weren't allowed to use that word before, but now we are allowed. When you said it was discontinued, I think you got it backwards. If you've read this thread, you'll see that it's out there, in full force, along with slut, whore and yes, even cunt. Some progress, huh?

[Hugin]

96. As, I'm trying to maintain my focus on the issue...

Instead of lashing out at the brainless pinata provided by
the GOP as a media attention absorbing diversionary tactic.

I chose to maintain the moral high ground... Even though the
temptation is great.

Let's get back to the issue of disengagement in Iraq.

[DoYouEverWonder]

55. Gee and I thought Schmidt knew all the Marines in politics

Here she is with the Marine that she claims cailled her to tell her 'Marines don't cut and run', who also happens to be Ohio State Senator Danny Bubp.

[fishnfla]

57. Fuck her and fuck her jingoistic piece of shit repug constituants

Fuck them all

[Hugin]

65. and the Bubp she rode in on...

Especially that one.

[burythehatchet]

61. Makes complete sense. Republican=Clueless

[JerseygirlCT]

62. Yet another example of Repub. "personal responsibility" at play. nt

[mondo joe]

63. And Bush didn't know Katrina was a problem. n/t

[spanone]

64. Then she's dumber than the shit that comes out of her ass.

Fuck Drier & Kingston. They wouldn't have an OUNCE of compassion had those words come from democratic lips.

[Marr]

68. I thought she wasn't addressing any particular member of the House.

Oh I see- she's just a liar then. Yes, lying on the floor of the House is much less offensive.

[newspeak]

69. yeah, sure, whatever

And Paul Hackett wasn't in the military either.:eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

71. This is why they had her do it

She knew damn well what she was doing and didn't care either way. She just wanted to hide behind someone who served. They just said all that because she is a newbie. Pure cop-out. But Schmidt is in the big league's now so no dice.

[Horse with no Name]

82. They wanted to play the stupid card from the beginning

and who better to play it than a freshman Senator that just beat a decorated Marine?
They put her out there to deliver their message and then depended on the misogynist Republican population to believe that a woman might not have known what she was talking about, therefore forgiving her because she is a woman.
The whole scenario stinks to high heaven.

[AntiCoup2K4]

74. Anyone who believes this crap.......

...also believes that "humidity" was the problem with the voting machines in Jean SHIT's home district which, by pure coincidence, also allowed for her narrow victory.

[kevinbgoode]

75. It does not matter if Schmidt "knew" Murtha was a Marine or not

the point is the personal nature of her remark. . .and then the lie she propagated minutes later about stating it.

One does not become a "coward" simply because they haven't served in the military. Frankly, I'm tired of this hero-worship crap - yes, I appreciate the service of our vets and of our soldiers now, but as a gay man who also knows that same military boots out good soldiers because our straight boys are paranoid about their peepees in the shower, I'm not apt to put these people on a pedestal.

Schmidt went against her own code with her remarks. She should resign immediately because she no longer has any credibility. The little saber-rattling wrap-me-in-the-flag crap is ridiculous. Unless she tottles down to the recruiting office and enlists herself, she should have kept her big mouth shut. The only courage she has shown is the ability to come off as a nutcase. But then, that's what a christo-fascist is...isn't it?

[Cha]

78. Tough Shit..schmidtface didn't know

Murtha was a Marine..either way, she a stupid hag who stepped in way over her repukehead.

[Jara sang]

85. Just the opposite more like.

She did it because she knew it give her publicity. You know the old saying, "there is no such thing as bad press"

[FreedomAngel82]

86. I also wanted to add if you notice

This whole thing was pre-planned. After she makes her statement someone RIGHT AWAY comes up and says they need to take it off the record and blah blah blah. They make it look like they are talking but they probably aren't or he's telling her "good job" or some nonsense like that. It was all timed too perfectly. A democrat tried to object to taking out her comments but he was ignored of course.

[neebob]

87. Well, I didn't know he was a Democrat

but even I have the sense to know who I'm accusing before I accuse them. You'd have to be a frickin' idiot not to guess that Jack Murtha was in the military. Ditto for knowing and calling him a coward. Why is it so incredible that she didn't know? You don't think it's possible that she's a frickin' idiot?

[Hugin]

89. LOL! Nice catch!

Delicious!

[julialnyc]

91. Please correct me if I'm wrong

but wasn't a big part of her her Ohio race with Hackett a smear campaign on how she was the authority on the military out of the two of them (I remember seeing ads and thought this was one point she was trying to make..... but my memory could be wrong)

[meganmonkey]

94. They totally set her up as the fall guy

That's my opinion. I guess I don't know the inner workings, but I would think that if she was going to get the floor, someone would have reviewed her remarks first or helped her write them. It boggles the mind.

She is a clueless one-term congressperson, who will likely never win again.

[neebob]

101. One can only hope

Unfortunately, many of the people who were stupid enough to vote for her - who we know are are stupid enough to buy into this notion that ending a war or not going there in the first place equals cowardice - are probably also stupid enough to believe it's okay to say that to a decorated veteran as long as he's a Democrat and vote for her again. It's certainly possible that she's calculating enough to do that on her own, or maybe she took one for the team. It just seems to me that if either of those possibilities were correct, she'd have taken more care with her wording.

Then again, I'm a thoughtful person.

[Catchawave]

95. That's Bullschmidt !!!!

It's obvious in the Cspan/MSM replays she knew exactly who she was referring too. Wingnut Playbook Rule #3746539 = Your "base" will believe you, shower you with re-election donations and blame the Democrats!

Sidebar: Why isn't Hackett trying to unseat her in '06? See my sig line, my guy was defeated by a similar Delay ass-kisser :mad:

[Reciprocity]

97. The whole point of her speech was tell Murtha

he is no longer a Marine but a coward. This was no accident but deliberate.

[laureloak]

105. Hey, that's what Dems that speak out are...

"gloriously uncensored."

[Mutley]

106. That's no excuse.

She should have educated herself before she opened her ugly mouth.

[Hello_Kitty]

107. Really? Well that Buph asshole she quoted must have known

Or why would he say "Marines don't cut and run"? That was directed at Murtha and intended to shame him. Too bad it backfired on both of their chickenhawk asses.

But I don't believe she didn't know. Arrogant jerks.

[entanglement]

108. I saw that hateful bitch on TV

What a :puke: she is!

[DearAbby]

109. BULLSCHMIDT!

[spuddonna]

110. Riiight.... she "didn't know"...

And she didn't listen to Murtha's speech where he references his military career, and she didn't listen to any of her other colleagues speak on the floor who 'thanked him for his service as a soldier' before they ripped into him.

Give me a f'in break... :grr:

[emdee]

111. That makes it worse, in my opinion.....

who, in their right mind, would stand up and rail against someone that they didn't know *something* about? I think that if "she didn't know" it makes her a much worse human being than I first thought.

No matter what side of the political fence someone else is on, I would never get up and start that type of speech unless I knew more than the soundbites spewed by propaganda machines.

emdee

[TheCowsCameHome]

112. Marine or not, Murtha has more class than this empty-headed BITCH

How TF did the Repugs in Ohio think this shrew was fit for office?