DU needs a Mezzanine

[omega minimo]

above the Lounge but below the top-floor GD and GDP forums for all the folks who like:

-Crude dense expressions and Fuck Yeah! threads

-One-line OP's that don't say much but start Fuck Yeah! threads

-Crying about "censorship"

-Mouthing off about the issues (call Schmidt a "bitch" and worse) without saying or knowing or learning much of anything....

:kick: :patriot:

[Skip Intro]

1. oh, a sub-forum - leaving GD populated by self-defined intellectuals?

[omega minimo]

5. Not at all-- a sub-forum for self-defined clods

:evilgrin:

[obxhead]

2. Hold on now....

Just how is the GD above the lounge? The lounge always takes the top floor in the clubs I go to.

[omega minimo]

7. Yeah, let em have the

Penthouse

[VolcanoJen]

3. America, Fuck Yeah!

I'm with you on the Mezz, by the way. :thumbsup:

[omega minimo]

15. Awright!

:yourock:

[Greyhound]

32. LOL!

[Lasher]

4. I'll bet you're a lot of fun at a party (EOM)

[omega minimo]

6. Democratic Party?

[Lasher]

8. Fuck yeah!

You're not so bad, seem to take a ribbing OK.

[omega minimo]

11. Youbetcha

[Skip Intro]

9. DU is family, man

Those "fuck yeah" threads and "one line OPs" are from your brothers and sisters - and Schmidt IS A BITCH!

Take another look.

[omega minimo]

10. So what we need is a kid's table

[Skip Intro]

12. elaborate, please n/t

[omega minimo]

13. Uh oh

Spaghetti-Os

[Skip Intro]

14. alrighty, then

[omega minimo]

16. Few syllables not much to go on, eh bro?

:shrug:

See #5

[Skip Intro]

17. Already seen #5 - you're repeating yourself

bro.

oh, was I supposed to perform some multisyllabic trick in response to your post?

yikes

[omega minimo]

18. I don't know what youre "supposed" to do

That's the kind of bs mind game that could go to the mezzanine! :hi:

"Clods" isn't very nice-- howza about "oafs"?


btw-- DU didn't need 25 different threads all establishing the valuable info that "Schmidt is a _____."

[Skip Intro]

19. you're calling other duers, those who don't share your vision, clods, and

frankly, I'm about up to my eyeballs in "this can be said and this can't" - as determined by some self-appointed censor.

How about this for DU, and in GD as well - fuck those who seek to censor, and, btw, jean schmidt is a bitch.

I'm just asking for it, eh?

[omega minimo]

27. Here ya go!

OP:
"-Crying about "censorship"
"-Mouthing off about the issues (call Schmidt a "bitch" and worse) without saying or knowing or learning much of anything...."

btw, you have it backwards. The idea for GD, GDP would be for folks to share THEIR vision in something beyond a Beavis and Butthead approach, or head for the Mezz. With others who "share their vision."

:bounce:

[Runcible Spoon]

70. snark is a bad color for you.

doesn't go with your eyes... Perhaps a nice chartreuse?

[omega minimo]

74. I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying

:hug:

[shanti]

59. you're right about that!

i'm probably guilty of some 'fuck yeahs' and one liners, but you know something, it takes all kinds. everyone has a part to play. if the op is so bothered by certain du'ers, there's always the ignore button.

i like your family reference, skipintro. most families i know of have a certain amount of dysfunction, du isn't any different. :shrug:

[Skip Intro]

20. "Mouthing Off" - wtf does THAT mean? n/t

[omega minimo]

28. Yap Yap Yap

[WCGreen]

21. Oh like all the discussions in GD and GDP are of the

highest intellectual caliber...


Two of my favorites..

Every time an Election doesn't go our way, Blame it on corruption...

Paul Hackett is a Super Candidate....

The reasons behind these type of threads is exactly the same as a hey, what's your favorite cookie thread over in the Lounge...

Emotional connection to a topic...

[omega minimo]

33. At least there's an Idea in there somewhere

I'm suggesting that empty, Loungish spewings with no concept beyond "Fuck Yeah" take up space in GD-- fer what?

[WCGreen]

38. I see.....

Now...

[RC]

22. Have you ever stopped to think

that a mezzanine anywhere neat the lounge has to be designed in such a way as to prevent those drunks from fall off. Besides the DU lounge is in the basement.

[omega minimo]

34. How bout

Harry Potter "and a half" platforms you have to walk thru a brick wall to get to?

:banghead:

[JNelson6563]

23. You forgot the "OMG!!!!!!!!" threads

But I'm with you. GD needs some guidelines.

Julie

[Robb]

24. Yeah...

...If only we had a set of, I don't know, some rules to tell us how to behave! :D

[JNelson6563]

25. Those rules don't address these issues

Yeah, no personal attacks etc but also, no real guidelines for GD. That might be why some think of it as their personal lounge. I'm thinking along the lines of how LBN is so clearly defined with guidelines.



Julie

[omega minimo]

30. OMG OMG OMG wut wuz i thnkn?

:hi:

[Renew Deal]

71. OMG! Did you see that? n/t

I love that.

[rug]

26. GD needs a no laughing sign.

Wait, that's redundant.

[name not needed]

29. I want a forum for everything I don't like too.

[omega minimo]

31. Me too! & 4 all the folks who Miss The Point On Purpose

:freak:

[Name removed]

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[omega minimo]

43. Where's your sense of humor?

See? You need a very special place to go

[Name removed]

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[Bunny]

57. It just gets better and better!

:rofl:

[omega minimo]

63. Fuck Yeah

:evilgrin: Sometimes its hard to tell the sixth graders from the crude from the freeps.

(No offense to sixth graders)

[Bunny]

65. Seriously, sixth graders could do better!

Now, come on, we can't let the little ones miss out on their fun!

[omega minimo]

66. OMG!!!!OMG!!!!!!

:rofl:

You know it!

[immoderate]

35. Umm....

Shouldn't this be a lounge thread?:shrug:

--IMM

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. FUCK YEAH, mezzanine! I'll start a thread on that Jean(expletive censored)

:)

[omega minimo]

37. Romper Room!

"...without saying or knowing or learning much of anything...."


:bounce: :bounce:
:bounce:

39. Classroom and Lunchroom

A division in posts, like the classroom and the lunchroom. Not that the classroom posts have be strictly serious, but separate from posts that are just emotional outbursts positive or negative.

[wiggle-room]

40. DU needs a mezzanine like DU needs another hall monitor

try coming up with a suggestion that doesn't disparage and insult those you find yourself among - by choice, I should add.

Who's going to draw the parameters of what meets GD or GDP standard, you? Should I send all future threads to you for vetting before I post?

What an ego...

[omega minimo]

47. There were tons of threads saying "Schmidt's a B****" and NOTHING ELSE!!!!

Maybe DU needs a "Bitch" forum. People could go bitch and call others whatever the Rules will allow.

The people who want to just BULLSHIT about politics know who they are and what's the problem with having a place to just vent?

Bearing witness to what's going on is not "disparaging"-- for one thing, the Fuck Yeah people don't givashit what I think.

"...try coming up with a suggestion that doesn't disparage and insult those you find yourself among - by choice, I should add."

Another reason to make the OP comments is that I have seen SEVERAL posts from people concerned about the juvenile, watered down, pointless direction DU occasionally points in recently. The more BS that is in the "Big Forums" the more it repels thoughtful posts and draws more crap-and-flies. And freepers. From the OP description, how are we to tell the freepers from the flippant?

[mongo]

41. Perhaps DU needs a forum

for self appointed DU mommies who through their egomaniacal sense of self importance start flamebait threads about what other DU'ers are doing "wrong".

[sleipnir]

44. Snap!

n/t

[omega minimo]

45. and a muck room for those who only post on sex-related threads,

consistently make personal attacks and harrass women at every opportunity.

While they wipe the muck off they can work on comprehension skills. :hi:

I said "for all the folks who LIKE:"

-Crude dense expressions and Fuck Yeah! threads
-One-line OP's that don't say much but start Fuck Yeah! threads
-Crying about "censorship"
-Mouthing off about the issues (call Schmidt a "bitch" and worse) without saying or knowing or learning much of anything....

No one said it was "wrong." Seems like keeping them all together would be more convenient .

[mongo]

46. Good thing I know you're not talking about me personally

since this isn't a sex thread.

[Runcible Spoon]

72. Oh no you DI-INT!

:evilgrin:

[Kurovski]

48. DU not too long ago instituted a policy whereby

suggestions for the administrators be sent directly to them.

It's an understandable policy, as DU is a business owned by them and as such they wish to maintain control of it.

--Also most likely to avoid the flames that will often occur..

Edit: "too", not "to".

[omega minimo]

50. Thank you-- the OP was a bit of conceptual fun in response to a rash of

empty posts in GD, availing themselves of another recent DU policy to open the "bitch" floodgates.

I respect Admin's "a business owned by them and as such they wish to maintain control of it." The self-selection process going on at DU is of concern to other posters, I've noticed, and will continue in that general direction..................................

:patriot:

[Kurovski]

51. Who opened that floodgate just now?

Yeah, you don't care for my posts, I get it.

I missed the rash you speak of, but you were free to post on any and all of them regarding the policy of addressing the admin directly.

Would you have links to the rash of threads? I would take a gander.

Edit: A policy on a word that has widespread parlance in the media, literature and the arts and now has many shades of meaning is almost as fretful as the idea of DU relegating posters by class.

[omega minimo]

55. Sorry-- I don't know what you mean. That's OK. It's not about K

"Yeah, you don't care for my posts, I get it"

[Kurovski]

49. The moderators do a fine job of deciding what threads to relegate to the

lounge (and other forums).

The job of deciding what threads are "top drawer" and which are "bargain basement" or "trash bin" would still fall to them if your suggestion were acted upon, as one women's feast is another gal's famine and not everyone is going to agree on what belongs where.
Venting has its place on DU as regards politics. So does political humor. it relied heavily on humor at its inception.

In a way, you are challenging the way the moderators do their job.

[omega minimo]

52. Well, since we're discussing this seriously....

I am in NO WAY "challenging the way the moderators do their job." At all. Nada. We are way beyond that point.

Speaking of humor, isn't there something just a little bit silly about the suggestion of a "mezzanine"?

Yes, venting has a place and humor. Interesting that some of those responding on this thread think that Substance = Humorless.

What I AM doing is commenting on threads that are maybe two words and half an idea plus some crude language cobbled together and flung up as an OP. FINE! Geez, don't wanna spoil anyone's fun and hilarity!!!!

As you say, "The job of deciding what threads are "top drawer" and which are "bargain basement" or "trash bin" would still fall to them if your suggestion were acted upon."

Sometimes, like with the "Schmitch" frenzy, the proximity of hollow venting threads and thoughtful, informative threads seems like maybe there IS a need.......

:hi:

[Kurovski]

62. The "kid's table" line in response to the "family" post

WAS pretty funny, even if I disagee.

Venting still has it's place. Threads will rise and sink as emotions dictate. I'll admit one-word posts can be frustrating, but when they spark a release, It's still worth it to someone. If not, kerplunk goes the thread.

I know you take the "B" word seriously and I'm sincerely sorry that it offends you. We disagree on the word. And yes, sometimes I find it to be used in an offensive manner. But I won't stop using it.

This is why it is easy to view your OP as having less than humorous intentions at its heart. One who wishes to control the over-all use of a (for better or worse) commonly seen and heard word would not seem to be someone with a "light touch".

:hi:

[omega minimo]

68. The OP as intended was more about empty OP's than the B-word

I encourage you not to assume you know what I think anymore about words-- difficult I know, but I am not :banghead:

What I have noticed lately, and seen other comments about, is these mind-bogglingly simplistic OPs that get a rise out of folks.

If they really are a basic as "___ is a ____" then it probably is the Fuck Yeah contingent that comes out.

The relevance of the B-word in this case is when that's the WHOLE POINT of the thread. That's IT! And sometimes that's all somebody has got to say. THAT'S what the OP was about. Maybe there's a place for that....

Okay fine. That's DU.

Thanks for the olive branch.

[shanti]

64. here's a thought

perhaps the op would like to become a moderator. s/he could then move threads at will. whaddya think?

[mongo]

67. Yeah - that's just what DU needs

:sarcasm:

[shanti]

76. lol

point is - if s/he tried to do this as a mod, there would be an uproar. at least, i would hope so.

[omega minimo]

79. Progressive discussion board proud 2B crude and simple-minded?

FUCK YEAH :yourock:

[DrDebug]

54. I'm out of here for now

What I've seen today is disgusting and unbecoming of a decent messageboard. You really need to think about your actions, but I've had it!

I full heartily agree with the statement that DU needs a major change in additude!

[Lex]

58. LOL!

You forgot your :sarcasm: (I hope).

[DrDebug]

60. No, I don't. I'm pissed off

It's that little stunt with wikipedia where a fake slander item was added and not only was I hated upon for being the only person who dared to say no, but suddenly there are anonymous trolls attacking and playing as well. I find that behavior disgusting and repulsive and in this case it are DU ers doing it.

I have no respect for people who troll about and then think it is funny and I seem to be the only one who think that it's a repulsive additude!

[Cleita]

61. Actually you need a sex and colorful language forum.

That way the more sensitive DUers about those matters don't have to participate.

[omega minimo]

69. This isn't about sex-- it's about substance

It's not about being "sensitive" or offended-- it's about having something to say OR NOT.

It's about boring bullshit taking up space and time on "Big" Forums.

And if there was a WILL at DU, it could be about learning better communication skills and being more effective TOGETHER in our supposed shared goals.

I don't expect it to change. The mezzanine idea was cute.

The chilling effect will continue tho, the more of these mindless vent-fests infest valuable DU real estate.

:patriot:

[Name removed]

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[omega minimo]

78. Of course. And they decided to prohibit your vicious personal attack

So much for "honesty and courage."

[Kurovski]

82. You are carrying bad mo-jo over from other threads.

Nor is it the first time. That too is prohibited.

I'm going to politely ask that you refrain from doing so with Binka.

Oops, too late.

That one so personally angry in general would decry venting toward political leaders who have our lives and well-being in their hands is ironic at the very least.

[omega minimo]

89. No. I'm not. As I said, I don't know what you're talking about

and I don't want to know why YOU are projecting attitude. This whole thing has gone beyond insane.

Binka attacked ME. "I'm going to politely ask that you refrain from doing so with Binka." :wtf: I am going to politely tell you I DID refrain.

It's very odd that DUers are so invested in the right to embody the lowest common denominator while up on their high horse. :irony:

People attack what they don't understand. You're suggestion of " one so personally angry in general" is another proof.

No one "decried venting"-- the opposite in fact, at several points.

I commented on essentially empty OPs.

That's it.

[Name removed]

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[omega minimo]

77. Back to the muck room!

Go badger someone else

[lonestarnot]

80. Oh please... DU isn't just about the intellectual gathering, it is also a

social place, and every gathering doesn't always have to be an intellectual brain.com deal. Lighten up and have some fun at D.U. or go fart in your gas tank and save some money.

[omega minimo]

91. Awesome post!! Why don't you make it an OP!!!!11

[lonestarnot]

103. It will just get moved to the Lounge, why bother. But thanks for the

compliment.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

81. HEY!! Wait a minute! You saying something about my yak??

:popcorn:

[Kurovski]

83. AWWWW! I didn't know yaks could be so cute!

What's wrong with yaks, let alone yak, yak, yak? Three are three times cuter.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

84. Now you got it! Want some

:popcorn: ?

[Kurovski]

85. Thanks.

What do you suppose a yak smells like?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

86. Who knows. Ya wanna cigar?

:popcorn:

[Kurovski]

87. Where's it been?

NO! Don't answer that!!

*please don't*

It's a set-up I tell's 'ya.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

88. It's an Astral TVG Churchill!!

[Kurovski]

90. Wow!

Well done.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

93. I got a box of them too! Here I'll cut one for you too!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

98. Dude! 13000 posts in 7 months?!?

Is that the record? Are they all as good as these?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

99. DLCer .........

:rofl:

[RevCheesehead]

107. Pass me some of that Popcorn, please.

[flvegan]

92. "above the Lounge but below the top-floor..."

Nice choice of words, there.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

94. Hey flvegan! How ya doing?

Some people here don't like my yak!!

:cry:

[flvegan]

95. What???????

Why not?

I mean, specifically. Why would anyone not?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

100. I don't know. They're just so ........ so .......

Booo hooooo hooooooo.

[flvegan]

101. It's yak envy, nothing more...nothing less.

They desire the yak, your yak.

They hate you for your yak freedoms.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

102. Thanks flvegan. I knew I could count on you!!

:hug:

[madeline_con]

96. I thought the "b" word was going to be censored...

from now on. :eyes:

edited 4 speeling.

[LostInAnomie]

97. You know what we really need, a hide thread function.

Oh wait, we already have one.

[omega minimo]

104. "...without saying or knowing or learning much...."

[A-Schwarzenegger]

106. Said before, said again ...

Hating George Bush & the RWers
does not give a person the desire or the ability
to empathize.

[ScreamingMeemie]

105. Using the word bitch would place you and your cronies below the

Lounge. No dice. Try visiting the lounge sometime. It's a nice place with decent people.

[welshTerrier2]

108. good post - too many childish responses

raising the level of discourse anywhere on DU is a very worthy topic ... too many whiners come along whenever a serious effort is made to address the topic ...

you inevitably get flamed by a bunch of children who had serious potty training problems ... "whaa, whaa, whaaaaaaa ... i'm a liberal; i refuse to accept any rules or any discipline and how dare you tell me what to say and do ... whaa, whaa, whaaaaaaaaa ..."

instead of joining your call for a higher level discourse and instead of looking for ways to make DU better, even if they disagree with your specific idea, all they do is their juvenile whaa-whaa ... it's sad, really ...

whether we make more rules or build separate forums or just encourage each other to strive for excellence in our discourse is not really the issue ... the goal implied in the OP post is what's important ... and raising the issue for discussion about what kinds of posts you value and which you don't is a great starting point ... it is those who accuse you of suppressing free speech who are doing nothing but that themselves by stifling discussion of the issue you raised ...

[EstimatedProphet]

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