Bushit had a another sister

[serryjw]

quote......
There was one family tragedy while George W. was growing up. Little sister Robin contracted leukemia. She died when George W. was 7 years old.

end quote.....
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/

I wonder if Bushit could have saved her life with a stem cell, would he have done it?

[Oceansaway]

1. good point............but i doubt it....

[catnhatnh]

2. If a stem ....

...from his baggie could have saved her,the result would be the same...seeds too.

[SammyBlue]

3. Bushit couldn't have. This douche bag isn't human

He's subhuman, just like Mike Malloy says!!!

[Tab]

4. That's been known for years, and the interesting thing about it

although I don't remember the whole story, is that everyone covered it up emotionally, almost as if they didn't acknowledge her death, and I even remember something to the effect that the family did something else rather than whatever they should have been doing (like go to the funeral or something).

Points to a very emotionally cold and dysfunctional family and is considered to lend a lot of insight into George's emotional character (or lack thereof).

[goclark]

6. Believe Babs and Poppy played golf that day

[Carni]

23. Yes Babs played in the afernoon AFTER the kid died

You know she can't trouble that *beautiful mind* with such mundane matters such as losing her own child...

[Dogmudgeon]

25. At least two of us DUers have had similar reactions

Edited to add first line.

And I'm one of those two.

Death. Funeral. Laughter. Breakdown.

It's a common way of handling pain when there's too much of it to "let in".

I'm not a fan of Bar (her nickname is "Bar", not "Babs"), but she lost her four-year-old daughter. Try to imagine yourself in that situation.

Republicans might be lousy, even corrupt, politicians, but they are human beings.

--p!

[Carni]

27. "Her name is Bar not babs"

What are you her Bridge partner?

I don't give a damn what her name is-- she raised a serial killer and I have no sympathy for anything that vile woman has experienced.

All these soldiers dying and that pig says why should she trouble her beautiful mind?

[Dogmudgeon]

31. How much are you paying for that hatred?

First, her nickname was made public knowlege during her husband's presidency. You're either too young to remember, or you weren't paying attention (for whatever reason) during Bush I. My remark was an FYI, not an "In yo' face". I'm sorry if you took it that way, but that's what it is.

Second, you're not going to get any points for invoking dead soldiers and mass murder. I don't support Bush or his policies, and opposition to Bush does not require boiling hatred. Plus, I'm not a fan of Barbara Bush, but giving birth doesn't make the mother culpable for the sins of the son. That's the Republicans' line, remember?

Third, you are in danger of turning into what you hate. Stop.

Now.

--p!

[Carni]

45. Yep here we go with the *why are you so filled with hate* crap

Right on schedule

[EFerrari]

59. And the answer is:

[mitchum]

76. Well, I also hate that bitch with every fibre of my being...

but I also can not despise her for how she dealt with her grief. However, it a pity that she is insensitive to the grief of others. And THAT is a very good reason for hating her. And, of course, there are MANY more reasons why one should hate her.

[Dogmudgeon]

83. Sorry I'm late

If you hear the *why are you so filled with hate* crap, maybe it's not because of US, but because of ... hmm, who could it be?

That "hate crap" will kill you. It will really and truly eat you alive. If you think I'm talking out of my ample ass, cruise on over to FreeRepublic some time and see what non-stop hate does to the mind. They are dying for George Bush and his unholy jihad.

It's not worth it to lose our humanity because of him. It's not worth it to lose our rationality because of him. It's not worth it to lose anything of ourselves because of him. He's already taken too much from us.

And I don't hate them. I haven't let them take my soul.

Don't let them take yours.

--p!

[Arugula Latte]

99. Why are you a Babs Bush apologist?

I've been seeing a lot of "let your anger roll off you" types of threads on DU lately. Well, look where that turn the other cheek approach has gotten the Democrats and liberals. We are second-class citizens in our own country. New Orleans was left to die. Thousands are dead in Iraq.

We're fucking PISSED OFF about the conditions here and we're not really in the mood to hear someone correct us about that Bitch Babs' real nickname, m'kay?

[Carni]

106. Thank you!

What Oregonian said!

[Arugula Latte]

107. You're quite welcome!

Sometimes anger is a GOOD thing.

[Dogmudgeon]

109. Yes it is

See below.

--p!

[Dogmudgeon]

108. Pissed off? Good!

There's a difference between "pissed off" and "out of control", and it can color your judgement. Is that a good thing? I think not. Anger is good. Sociopathic rage is NOT. A whole lot of people around here are sounding like the same kinds of ghouls we're supposed to oppose. Sorry, but throwing tantrums over political issues is not going to win "our side" any points.

Incidentally, insulting DUers is verboten around here. Why not save the rage for Bush and conduct yourself with a little self-control? I haven't dehumanized you -- don't do it to me.

--p!

[EFerrari]

58. I hear that. And it can be true: "What you resist, you will become.'

:hi:

[gordianot]

104. There is some research that she helped create what her son became.

Granted that maybe she should not (or anyone) should illicit hatred, but I can understand it for those who are victims of her sons crimes (there are a lot of victims). She also knew or had to know her sons sadistic tendencies as a child (well reported by family members), and it is certain that they knew/know about his alcoholism and drug abuse as an adult. These people have done everything to cover up for a serious Narcissistic Personality Disorder for a long time. They have empowered him and allowed him to take an entire country down the road of failure that has been his lifelong legacy. This time the damage is so great no one is there to pick up the pieces or bail out the financial disaster he has created. George W. Bush has numerous deep issues and flaws and his family is not blameless.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. Well maybe I am innocent

but I never knew anyone who PLAYED GOLF right after her daughter died. That is just cold. And BABS has proven herself to be a heartless bitch time and again in the years since her child died.

[morningglory]

36. After a sad death, we have laughed, cried, craughed, and lay

catatonic, but could not imagine concentrating on a game of golf.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. She is a heartless bitch

Her comments after Katrina are evidence enough for me. Even my 80 year old mother, who always admired Babs, now can't stand her after hearing what she said about the refugees in the Astro Dome.

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Yep

That's just weird to play golf after a death. Especially your own daughter! And you should buy Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" and read his experience of meeting her.

[NashVegas]

91. Three

The night of my father's funeral, I was seen afterwards playing pool, getting drunk, and flirting.

I can only feel pity for the Bush's in this circumstance; I was 100% shielded from having to deal with death as a kid. As a result I had no way of coping with it as an adult, wasn't able to give any comfort to those I cared about, who were dying. I only hope to do better the next time.

[goclark]

38. Babs, Bar whatever her name is

Pickles didn't care enough to call Katrina Katrina.

They are a piece of work.

What's Her Name also didn't let the Chimp grieve for his sister.

I can't remember the details but I know it was cruel.

[Dogmudgeon]

40. All cruel, certainly

I feel strongly, though, that we ought not to repeat the mistakes that they have made. Bush and Company moves me to great emotion, too. But hate and cruelty are forms of suicide.

Think of all the cruelty there is shared in the Bush family. Then think of Robin Bush, who died before she absorbed any of that poison -- and how George was just on the brink becoming like his elders. What a cruel visitation in itself!

The event may or may not have twisted Bush's mind, but his sister's death and his present cruelty are two different things. Hitler, too, was a spiritually broken man. It doesn't make Hitler's crimes any lesser, but it should make our own resolve to avoid cruelty and hatred that much stronger.

--p!

[goclark]

41. I agree that

the Bush that we see now is a result of a very sick childhood.

Recall the frogs when he was young?

The problem with this family is that they have so much to be thankful for that they should be compassionate all day long.

It doesn't happen that way for them, especially the Chimp.

It is scary because he is the President of these United States and his mental problems are affecting us every day.

He is responsible for KILLING people, many innocent people.
I can not forgive him for that, nor can I forgive his parents for enabling him to be President.

I am in no way feeling happy for his pain, I am afraid when I see how his pain affects his performance in the job.

[Clark2008]

53. You're correct.

I don't hate the Bushies. I feel sorry that money and power are so much more important to them than love, cuddles and affection.

A good cuddle can make up for the long days woes and a good laugh, followed by a sob and utter dispair can soothe an ailing heart at the death of a loved one.

Playing golf... eh... not so much. But, I don't hate the heartless wench - I feel sorry that she's stealed herself away from the emotions of humanity, the good, the bad, the ugly, the sad, the elation and deflation.

No wonder Laura is so Xanaxed... she has to compete with soulessness.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

8. there was a book out

titled Bush on the couch, I think. Most excellent insight into dumbya's mental disorders & the author delves into Robin's death & how the family handled it.

[ovidsen]

15. That's scary

It helps explain Chimp's and brother Jeb's aloofness.

[morningglory]

35. She died. They Poppy and mommy went immediately to play

golf: "we just need to get away..." Then flew back to Texas and allowed family aquaintances to bury her. They did not attend the funeral. They told little georgie that she had died and they had never told him she was gravely ill.

[Marie26]

70. George Bush Sr., at least, was heartbroken

In interviews 40+ years later, he still teared up when he was asked about his daughter. And in a letter to his mother a few years after her death, he had a very sad description of loss:

"We need someone who's afraid of frogs. We need someone to cry when I get mad, not argue. We need a little one who could kiss without leaving, egg or jam or gum. We need a girl. We had one once. She'd fight and cry and play and make her way just like the rest. But there was about her a certain softness. She was patient. Her hugs were just a little less wiggly. Like them, she'd climb in to sleep with me, but somehow, she'd fit. She didn't boot and flip and wake me up with pug-nose and mischievous eyes a challenging quarter inch from my sleeping face. No, she'd stand beside our bed 'til I felt here there. Silently and comfortable, she'd put those precious, fragrant locks against my chest and fall asleep. Her peace made me feel strong and so very important. `My daddy' had a caress, `my daddy' had a caress, a certain ownership which touched a slightly different spot than the "Hi dad" I loved so much. But she is still with us. We need her and yet we have her. We can't touch her and yet we can feel her. We hope she'll stay in our house for a long, long time. Love, George."

I'm not sure it is our job to pass judgment on how others deal with grief. Maybe the inability to talk about it, or deal with it, led them to try to avoid it. But that doesn't mean they didn't care. Republicans are human too.

[Occulus]

72. You may call that description sad, but

*I* call it... odd. And telling.

[Marie26]

78. How's that? n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

85. Rethuglicans are human and we shouldn't judge, are you repeating yourself?

There simply is no excuse for that womans behavior, only apologists.

[Marie26]

86. I don't see how since that's my first post.

And please be clear that I hate Barbara Bush. Even horrible people have feelings and can feel grief. If anything, you guys are making me defend Barbara Bush & feel sorry for George W., and that's just wrong. Honestly, this thread scares me a little - the depth of hatred for Bush is a little frightening. Yes, he's awful, but if we lose our compassion, we are no better than they are. Don't you think it's ironic that people are attacking Barbara Bush for not feeling compassion for the soldiers, at the same time that they say they don't feel any compassion for the death of her four-year-old child? Nobody should have to live through that. I guess I'll get flamed or whatever, but I don't really care. We cannot simply label people - even though that's easier. It's a little easier to simply hate them & call them monsters, than acknowledge the humanity in all of us. That's the same kind of black-and-white thinking Bush has, the same kind of thinking that Al-Queda has, or the fundamentalists. Barbara Bush (or Bush Jr. for that matter) are not monsters, they're just very flawed human beings. I don't feel comfortable when Democrats must not only attack Bush, but also apparantly attack anyone who does not attack enough. People can hold a different view without being automatically "Freepers" or apologists.

[renate]

115. I think that's very touching

Skeptics, try reading that without being influenced by your feelings about the person who wrote it. It's beautiful.

[EFerrari]

55. The autism spectrum. Hubby's family did the same when

his sister took her life in her mom's car on her mom's birthday.

Gears missing, there. Sad.

[ROakes1019]

5. sister

The story I heard on this was that Big Barbara went out golfing the afternoon after her daughter died. Do you wonder where Chimpy got his sociopathy?

[Bluerthanblue]

she then

went into a morose depression- and became incredibly bitter and cruel natured.
Sr. spent more and more time away from home- * actually had to drive his mother to the hospital when she was having a miscarrage, and later * is quoted as having said something to the effect of "don't you think you and I ought to have a talk about any further pregnancies"-
DYSfunctional is a small word for this family- and explains, but doesn't excuse alot of what makes him tick.

[goclark]

42. Didn't Daddy Bush have a girlfriend that traveled

everywhere with him?
I believe it was common knowledge in Washington.

Kitty Kelly has NEVER been sued for her book on the Crime Family.

[Gato Moteado]

21. unbelievable

but knowing enough about babs, i don't doubt it.

[Bluerthanblue]

7. i can't join you in

be-littling this event-
Personally, I believe this event warped * for life- if you read about how his family DIDN'T deal with this- and the way his life went afterwards, you might get a little glimpse of how a man like him is made-
I believe he is terrified of death- and loss, and not being 'in control' of anything he can possibly get his claws in-
Robin's life, and death is a sad and telling story-

They put her through everything they could to try and save her- I'm sure if stem-cells were available Barbara would have used them- i would take it one step further- if sacrificing * could have saved her, i'm not so sure she wouldn't have offered him up.

This is a twisted family- and their progeny is evidence of that.

[Lancer]

16. Thank you, bluerthanblue

Belittling a family tragedy is unacceptable. It's another thing to try to absorb the lessons this family apparently did not learn from a tremendous emotional trial. IMO

[WePurrsevere]

24. Although there's certainly no love lost for the Bush family here, I agree.

As someone who has lost a child and whose husband lost a brother at a very young age I have a difficult time throwing a punch at anyone elses tragedy even if I can't abide their personalities or politics.

[Clark2008]

54. I'm so sorry.

I have a 6-year-old son and cannot imagine losing him - it would kill me (or so I think).

You're much stronger than I and I :hug: you for your loss, your strength and just for being you.

[Bluerthanblue]

63. we have to remember that

we are all more 'alike' than different. We all bleed, die, feel pain, loss, fear, joy, pride, every emotion is something ALL humans experience at some time.- There is no 'them' and 'us'-
When people refer to other human beings as something 'set-apart' or completely different than 'they' are, it is because we are trying to hide, and seperate ourselves from the potential of great good, or great evil that lives in each one of us.

Thank you to those who speak with compassion, and empathy for each other, even those we have reason to harbor great anger and rage against. We are all human beings- and can't escape that, even when that makes us feel uncomfortable.

I'm more encouraged by those who have spoken against making this family tragedy a reason to make jokes, or justify cruel and judgemental hatred for what is a very sad and painful experience.

There is no excuse for cruelty and sarcasm in this- people who laugh at the misfortune and pain of others either have yet to experience their own time of unbearible sorrow, or are still trapped in the anger that grief brings.

peace and comfort to all-

[Horse with no Name]

62. In chronically and critically ill children

You would certainly be surprised at how people handle grief.
Things you nor I would think about doing are done on a daily basis by parents walking in shoes that neither you nor I would care to share.
I have thought long and hard about it because I have seen some pretty strange behaviours surrounding death and dying of children.
The best I could come up with is that the parents have already gone through all the stages of grief...and the death is prolonged past the last stage of grief and they are just thankful that the suffering is over.
Life does indeed go on.
With some, it goes on quicker than it does for others.
I won't jump on a bandwagon criticizing the way people handle the grieving of their children...whether is it Barbara Bush or Rick Santorum.
That just seems like really bad karma can come attached to that.

[LaurenG]

9. Please don't make fun of this

His sisters death was tragic and I am positive it had a deep impact on him. I do not like him at all and I have called him evil many times but please. Please...:shrug:

[Tab]

12. It was tragic

Not just for the sister, but the family in general. My ex-wife grew up in exactly the same kind of emotionally distant/cold family (lacking the political power, of course), and it has her screwed up to this day. From reading what I have about this event, their going golfing is not funny in the slightest, but rather a sad testament to how far that family became emotionally disabled.

No wonder George is a basketcase. Stuff like that lasts throughout your life. He's a textbook case of someone who lives in denial.

And his parents (particularly his mother) is in serious denial about many things too.

And probably his sister wasn't the first of it. Sadly, Iraq won't be the last of it either, I fear.

[lazarus]

17. As to the golfing...

My first wife and I lost our first child, Trevor, to SIDS when he was two months old.

If I was famous, and there had been cameras around to catch me, they'd have seen me just a couple of hours after the funeral laughing with friends.

Because they were trying to cheer me up. I laughed a couple of times, then went in my room and didn't come out for days.

I then started working 80 hours a week to keep my mind busy.

Everyone handles grief differently. I have trouble judging them for this, despite my disdain and hatred for the family.

[kath]

73. Laughing after the funeral is one thing . But Poppy and Bar didn't even

attend the funeral. They had family acquaintances or other relatives arrange it, and headed for the golf course.

Bizarre.

[lazarus]

84. Oh

I had understood that they went to the funeral, then went golfing.

I'll check that out.

[Bluerthanblue]

95. you are

obviously a generous and kind man- Funny (not ha ha) how loss and sorrow can change us dramaticly- and erase boundries that would normally divide people.

Thank you for speaking of your experience so beautifully and honestly. I have also experienced loss such as yours, sadly, on several occasions- and still feel like someone else inhabits my body during the first several days/weeks- like i'm on some kind of auto pilot- and often don't remember alot of what transpires till weeks, months and sometimes years later.

Grief is a very strange land- we need all the slack we can get while journeying there-

I wish you comfort, peace, and strength-
Thank you- as a man, especially- for having the compassion to speak out-
blu

[renate]

116. I'm truly sorry

:hug:

[serryjw]

18. I agree it did have a huge impact on him and the family

MY only question was about stem cell. He is so opposed to it that IF he could have saved his sister, that he obviously loved, would he do it because it had a personal meaning to him. It's easy to talk/politicize this issue UNTIL it hits home. This issue brought very starnge bedfellows in Congress.

[Carni]

26. Yeah well there are what 2000 other families feeling their *pain* now?

Discussing the fact that the man is a twisted sick F*** and clearly a product of a very twisted self centered sick family is not *making fun*

Hitler's niece killed herself after having an affair with Hitler and he was supposedly *deeply affected* by her demise should I feel sorry for Hitler too?

Babs bush is a pig and her son is a murdering, lying sociopath.

I am not going to apologize for commenting on the bad behavior of the bushit family.

[LaurenG]

29. Well no one is trying to discourage you from that

My point is that it is totally inappropriate to try to demonize a child. He was a child, what 7 years old? I have no clue how it was handled other than what I've read but as a mother and a sister and a compassionate human being I strongly object to attacking anyone over something so painful and tragic as the death of anyone. I think we should know better by now. We have had terrible things happen to us and we know how it feels. I refuse to attack anyone over the death of anyone else, no matter what. Blessed are the merciful/compassionate for they shall obtain mercy/compassion. Attack away only leave a vulnerable child out of it because that is what he WAS then.

[Carni]

44. I don't need a sermon/ thanks

The last time I checked I didn't sit on my ass reading about a goat while 3000 of my subjects perished and I also didn't invade a foreign country based on lies--I could give a rat's ass what happened to bush as a child and I am not going to pretend otherwise.

Haven't you heard? Bush is also very "compassionate"

[LaurenG]

47. Sounds like you're really angry

I can't say I blame you for that. I'm angry too. I stand by my statement though. So we disagree, oh well.

[Carni]

50. Angry about bush?

Yeah, you might say that.

[cloud_chaser1]

10. If it were possible back then,

* sure as hell wo8uld have used stem cells if he had to do it at gunpoint.
In my years as a journalist, I have found that people like * speak a good game about morality and all that but by God, when it effects them, morality be dammed. They do what they gotta do but if rich enough, they do it in secret. So much for morality.

[Carni]

51. Additionally the bush's Sr were very supportive of planned parenthood

If I recall correctly they even appeared at fundraisers for same at one point in time.

As far as I am concerned all this "culture of life" garbage with bush is just another act.

The Christian right took his father out when he ran for a second term and bushit Jr wasn't about to make the same mistake.

Like everything with this reich of theives it's all smoke and mirrors.

[prescole]

11. Way inappropriate. Don't lower yourself. nt

[Disturbed]

14. GW Bush Silverspoon Sociopath

GW Bush Sociopath

"I will never feel the same level of pain and loss you do. I didn't lose anyone close to me, a member of my family or someone that I love. But I want you to know that I didn't go into this lightly. This was a decision that I struggle with every day." GW Bush

GW Bush had a sister who died. The family went golfing the next day. He forgot that he had a sister who died? “I didn't lose anyone close to me, a member of my family or someone that I love.” Maybe his sister wasn’t close to him or he didn’t love her but she (was a member of his family.)

[LaurenG]

20. He was a CHILD

and his parents, from what I'm told didn't even talk to him about it. I am sure there are repressed memories or whatever. This is just so inappropriate. Please.

[Occulus]

74. You don't forget that.

I know people who, years later, remember being told about the brother or sister they didn't meet. They ALWAYS mention it when they talk about their family.

IT doesn't matter that THEY didn't tell him; it's been brought up since then, and by others. And how the HELL can anyone not know they had a sister who died, when that sister was part of the family, and not long-lost?

As an adopted child, I find his lack of memory on this one issue offensive as all hell. I'd give a LOT to know who brought me into the world. I'd give a LOT to know what my life might have been like. But HE can't remember his own SISTER? He can't even remember she existed?

Please.

This is *completely* appropriate. Turn off your manufactured outrage. A man who doesn't remember he had a sister who died is a man with a VERY serious problem going on in his head, and that man we are talking about just happens to be the man in charge right now.

Oooh, hell YES, it's relelvant, and appropriate.

[LaurenG]

87. Maybe it's you who should look at your arrogant outrage

I am not angry, I am sad that human beings will attack each other at their most vulnerable. I have NEVER approved of anything the bush family has done. I grew up in Texas so I have a few ugly stories that you are not privy to - so I feel more than able to say I think the family is evil. However, where will you draw the line? It's OK with you to attack a kid?

Now I'm just amazed at the lengths some people will go to "win" and keep an opinion justified. :(

[Marie26]

71. Here's GW Bush's own description

"His parents had been in New York, where they were tending to George's little sister, Robin. He knew she was sick, but had no idea how sick. The three-year-old was dying from leukemia. George's parents returned with an empty backseat and emptier news. "I run over to the car," said Bush almost half a century later, "and there's no Robin." She was not coming home. "I was sad, and stunned," recalls Bush. "I knew Robin had been sick, but death was hard for me to imagine. Minutes before, I had had a little sister, and now, suddenly, I did not." Bush says that those minutes remain the "starkest memory" of his childhood — "a sharp pain in the midst of an otherwise happy blur."
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/catholic_stories/cs0123.html

And Barbara Bush on his reaction: "Barbara Bush said in her memoirs, "He asked a lot of questions and couldn't understand why we had known for a long time." It looks like no one did tell him how sick his sister was.

[Branjor]

13. There was a thread about it quite some time ago....

I was unable to locate the thread, but Bush was devastated by his sister's death. His parents then pulled back from him and gave all their attention to the younger kids that came later and Bush got a failing grade on a school paper in which he tried to express his feelings about Robin's death because of an English error. There were pictures on the thread of GW and Robin.

[CatBoreal]

19. I remember reading the story in Chicken Soup for the Mother's Soul...

...and being disturbed so terribly by BB's account.

It struck me as cold and heartless. No one cried around Robin while she was ill. I even remember Barbara speaking of this fact with a great amount of pride.

I wept for days thinking how lonely this child must have felt, how utterly abandoned she was by her family that they wouldn't even show her that she would be missed if she died.

To this day I can't bring myself to read that book. That poor, poor abandoned child needed love and reassurance and she didn't get it.

[MisterP]

43. oh dear God!

[Dogmudgeon]

22. What's next?

Ghouls! The lot of you! (Or at least *A* lot of you.)

What's next? Calling Robin Bush a "little whore"? Saying that she deserved to die? That she in her eternally four-year-old spiritual body is burning in hell because she didn't live long enough to become a Fundy?

Is that all that drives us DUers, blind hatred? The little girl was four years old.

FOUR YEARS OLD.

According to many sources, including several that are implacably hostile to Bush, this was a destructively traumatic episode in his life. I myself first read about it in Hatfield's Fortunate Son.

I can't imagine it was too easy on Bar and Poppy, or the other kids. Not that I'm a big fan of theirs, but their child died. I'm sure the post-funeral golf game was played robotically, as they split their minds off from their hearts until they could cope with the pain.

My grandmother died last October. I was with her when she died. I was a zombie until after the funeral. Then I went home, watched Saturday Night Live later on, and laughed my ass off. I fell asleep, woke up in the morning, and felt like I woke up in the deepest pit of hell itself.

My disdain is for the political agenda, apparatus and nomenklatura of George W. Bush, not his deceased younger sister.

Folks, if we've fallen so far that we have to use the occasion of Robin Bush's death as a way to mock the guy, we've fallen way too far. It's time to pack up the shop, take down the sign that says "America", and sublet the place to the Devil.

--p!

[Carni]

28. *Why are Democrats so filled with hate*

Oh I am sorry...did I steal your next line?

[Dogmudgeon]

32. Nope

Looks like you used it in your previous post.

Dead soldiers and mass murder. Check.

--p!

[Carni]

46. "YEP!" Looks like you already started with it farther up in the string

NT

[Dogmudgeon]

80. See what happens, Carni?

You start by only hating targets who "deserve" it, and soon you're reacting that way to anyone who so much as mispunctuates a subject line.

It's poison. Bush & Company have already sent thousands of people to their deaths; don't jump on the funeral pyre to join them.

I'm not saying that we should all love Bush. He and his world won't be defeated by anything short of justice. And justice rejects hatred.

--p!

[Carni]

88. Actually I just found your sanctimonious lectures annoying

But if it pleases you to think that the dark powers of the netherworld have turned my heart black and sucked out my soul then be my guest.

I remarked initially that she golfed the day the sister died in response to the original poster WTF is your problem?

[DavidBowman]

101. !

What the hell kind of person are you?

[Dogmudgeon]

110. WTF my problem is.

First, I was with my father and grandmother when each of them died. I "walled off" my feelings, then the first emotional reactions I had was laughter. It's a common reaction. And ten minutes later, the universe collapses. Capisce? So, after I read several posts gloating over the death of the Bush's four-year-old, I then get to read how anyone who doesn't immediately break down and weep publically is some kind of evil freak, a "heartless bitch".

Immediately after posting that gloating over death and passing judgment on grief reactions is ghoulish behavior, I get jumped on by a number of people whose outrage, with nowhere to go, is then directed toward me. Including insults, name-calling, and other juvenalia. Orwell's Two Minutes' Hate in action. Your own action was prominent.

It is curious that you refer to my "sanctimonious lectures". I have not been the one justifying a cathartic release of bile. I figured, incorrectly, that being just a little poetic about it might be the proverbial spoonful of sugar that helps the medicine go down, rather than rubbing anyone's nose in FreeRepublic. (Yes, I've mentioned FR. "Rubbing noses in it" includes quoting Freepers' glee when Bill Clinton's mother died.)

And while calling "the evil/heartless/fat/ugly bitch" by the name of "Babs" sounds about as stupid outside of DU as the epithet "Hitlery KKKlintoon", I retract my "correction" and apologize.

You want to be the Democratic version of a Freeper? Fine. Just keep the poison away from me. I don't understand what is so attractive about it, but it's got to be pretty good stuff.

That's it from me. Since you may need some further time to give me a piece of your mind, I won't visit this thread again. Well, I may read it to "take my medicine like a man", but that's it. Have the last word, call me as many names as you care to, crank up the sarcasm, and get it out of your system. I've got my "personal issues" to deal with -- as well as the ongoing work to get Bush out of the White House; in handcuffs, if possible (for Bush, not me).

--p!

[renate]

117. I don't think ANYBODY was gloating

AT ALL about the death of a little child. In fact, just the opposite--everyone's talking about what a tragedy it was.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, I just would hate to have freepers come over here and get THAT horrible idea.

[WinkyDink]

30. Why should we project human emotions onto this group of monsters?

Sorry, but playing golf instead of going to the funeral (Mom skipped it, didn't she?) is PLAIN SICK. Robin's death was not to be spoken of. And subsequent decades of having this family inflicted upon us doesn't make me think the golf was "therapy" or a "coping mechanism". It was "Now watch me make this drive."

BTW, tricky Dick was traumatized as a child in the exact opposite way, when his brother died: his mother gave 110% attention to the ill brother.

[Carni]

48. Yes exactly --*now watch this drive*

That really just says it all IMO

[Bluerthanblue]

64. so Carni

what seperates your hate from theirs?
If you feel completly ok with trashing the experience of the untimely death of a child, and the impact that has on a family, because of what they went on to do with the rest of their lives- how are you any different than those who claim America deserves every single terrible thing that happens here, because like it or not, many terrible things HAVE been done, BY Americans- (including democrats) to people we had absolutely NO business messing with, or bringing sorrow to?

Don't let your anger and pain steal your compassion and desire to make the future a BETTER place than the past.

Please-
i understand- i've shared the emotions- but i've learned that hate and revenge is an equal opportunity destroyer- and i'm tired of being a 'carrier'-

[Carni]

90. WTF are you babbling about?

I answered a poster regarding bush and his "watch this drive comment"
(perhaps you haven't see Fahrenheit 911?)and stated "That says it all" and you respond with some garbage about *what seperates me from the terrorists who think America deserves all that it gets*

Hey whatever floats your boat (I guess) but I kind of liked the US when we had actual elections and weren't invading other countries based on forgeries...pardon the hell out of me if I have spoken out against the emperor and his blue blood klan.

[Bluerthanblue]

93. you must be

far older than me if you remember a time when the us had actual elections- elections that really weren't tampered with-- I voted for Jimmy Carter when i became eligible to vote in a National Election.

And if you look beyond MM's movie- (yes, i've not only seen it, i own it, and pass it around happily to others) you'll learn that this country was and has been involved in very many clandestine-special op's in nations that have very good reason to hate us, and given the mentality of "you did this so I can do it back" we haven't begun to see how many people have reason, GOOD reason to hate us.

You are so caught up in your rage, you are blinded by it- And so busy screaming that you refuse to listen- Carni, i'v been there, done that- likely will be there again stubborn ass that i am- but less and less often, thanks to folks who hold a mirror up to me, and say "Is this really YOU? or are you reacting (being controlled by) THEM?"-

If you despise the actions that people use- why imitate them?

Dump on me all you like- but please, when you calm down, think about how to make REAL change- that comes not through tit-for-tat but by saying- "I refuse to let any person drag me into their hell, by becoming like them"-

I'm really not your enemy-

peace

[serryjw]

60. I'm was trying to have a political policy conversation and it

has become hateful. I don't give a damn what the family did or didn't do. I want to know IF Bushit would handle the situation of stem cell differently today with now knowing his past..You ALL should be ashamed of your selves

[Bluerthanblue]

61. because they are no more a monster than you ...

..are-
We call people 'sub-human' and 'monsters' and all sorts of words to try and de-humanize them, because in some twisted way we think we can distance ourselves from becoming like they are- and when we do that, we actually DO become more like them.
Listen closely to the ways that people choose to 'label' their adversaries. Trying to say that they are an entirely different species of being is denying reality. There is the capacity for great good, and great bad in all of us. Pretending those who behave in ways that we abhor, won't protect us from them- or from becoming like them-

Are we accountable for our actions? Absolutely- do our life experiences explain some of our strengths and weaknesses? very often- but, do they EXCUSE them? no, not if we are adults.

"Eugene V. Debs: Years ago I recognized my kinship with all living things, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on the earth. I said then and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it; while there is a criminal element, I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

We can't justify our present and future actions by crying about our past- but we have a chance to change our future, by acknowledging and examining and attempting to understand our past.

[WinkyDink]

66. Well, excuuuuuse me. I don't think I'VE lied to start a war lately.

Or mocked an executed woman.
Or played gee-tar as my fellows drowned.
Or worried about "my beautiful mind".
That's just for starters.

Maybe this ISN'T the website that depicts these guys as green-skinned devils?

Unless you are making the point that we're all homo sapiens sapiens, descended from "Eve" in sub-Sahara Africa.
In which case, I guess there go any more mentions of narcissism, psychopathy, and evil.

Yeah, sometimes topics get side-tracked. That's human, too.

[Bluerthanblue]

69. no, perhaps you haven't

done those things- yet- but the potential exists within you WinkyDink-
And if you think it doesn't- and can find reasons to justify making fun of the death of a child, and the impact that has on a family, REGARDLESS of what that family may go on to do, individually or collectively- you are stumbling down the path you claim leads to 'monster-dom'.
You don't need me to excuse you- you have every right to speak your mind- And I have the right to respond with a perspective that asks you to step back and reflect upon your stand.
I'm old- and have screwed up in so many ways- sharing some hard learned lessons, and trying to be open to learning new perspectives matters to me- If you feel they are worthless, toss them aside- but don't expect me to be silent when I see someone stepping off a cliff.

There is a HUGE difference between playing with pictures of people, for fun, and taking a tragic life experience, and using it to denegrate those we chose to hate.

bush LOVES to de-humanize those who oppose him- because then it's easy to pile on and do terrible things, LIKE TORTURE- because 'of course' they 'aren't people, they are 'animals'- Cheney does the same- DU is a place I have hope in- and where i feel my voice can be heard- the adminstration silences all dissent- and claims the 'high road'-

peace-

[Catherine Vincent]

33. She was a cutie!

[Marie26]

79. Is that a little George too?

You can almost tell from the ears!

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. Compare this tragedy and the way the family reacted

with Santorum bringing his wifes' dead fetus home post miscarriage to share with his other children.

These people are fucking sick.

[ultraist]

49. Oh, please, stop it.

This is so NOT liberal like, to trash someone over a death in the family.

I don't care if it is *.

We are better than this.

[bleedingheart]

52. Having read about it....I don't think we should be judging her

When Robin was diagnosed with leukemia her own pediatrician told Barbara Bush to take her home and let her play and have fun until the illness would kill her. She told the Bush family that pursuing treatment would kill her.

But like any parents they did not accept this, so they went ahead and pursued the treatment. Robin died during surgery to help cure her of leukemia...later Barbara would admit that in retrospect that the pain Robin endured through treatment haunted her and she wondered that the pediatrician had been right...(remember it was a definite death sentence at that time to be diagnosed with that disease)

There was a funeral, and yes the parents played golf the next day...but there are many WASP families like them...My own husband's grandmother was dying and his mother never said anything until she died.....they just handle stuff differently than I am used to...

I read an account of the Bush family by Hatfield and he was no Bush lover...but his account of Robin's brief life and Barbara Bush's handling of the tragedy were sympathetic.

[Bluerthanblue]

65. beautiful

your name fits you-
mercy is rare these days- but more needed than ever.
thank you-

it does my weary heart good to see the voices raised in genuine empathy and compassion here- not mouthing the concept but speaking up in the face of anger- no matter how easy it would be to just dump our humanity and become like lords of the flies.-

[Marie26]

77. Barbara Bush still works for cancer charities

I agree, it does seem more like a "WASP" coping mechenism rather than them not caring. That whole New England, stiff-upper lip, bottle up your emotions thing that's basically Protestant America. Barbara Bush has worked extensively with cancer charities over the past 20+ years, maybe that's her way of dealing with this rather than being "self-indulgent" with grief. The charities she's funded/worked with include:

- The George and Barbara Bush Endowment for Innovative Cancer Research
- George & Barbara Bush are co-chairs of the National Dialogue on Cancer and won the 2002 "Medal of Honor" from the American Cancer Society for their work.
- Keynote speaker at the 1999 World Conference for Cancer Organization.
- Charity work with the Leukemia Society of America
- Honorary Chair of Mothers and Others Against Skin Cancer
- There's actually a "Barbara Bush Children's Hospital" in Maine she funded for children with illnesses including cancer.

[Carni]

92. What a shame her empathy and compassion

Apparently doesn't apply to people like the New Orleans evacuees or the parents of US soldiers.

The woman's comments have been reprehensible on both fronts.

[Bluerthanblue]

94. yes indeed

it is a shame- and a very sad thing that here she is, at the close of her life living in her self-imposed bubble of denial and selfishness.

I completely agree she is 'empathy-compassion disabled'- to an extreem degree.

Learn from her- Call her on it!! but learn from her.

Don't use her shortcomings to justify acting in ways that mimic her-
You have a heart- you CARE- extend that even when it doesn't 'feel good' that's when it really makes a difference.

You have passion- use it for good-!!

[Marie26]

96. Isn't it?

It is a shame. It's also unbelievable to me. When I read the quote about her "beautiful mind" I wanted to scream. But I wonder if it has something to do with the common thread linking these two tragedies: George W. Bush. To think about the suffering means thinking about the role her son played in creating both tragedies. We know Bush is good at denial & self-delusion; I think his mother is the same way. She's locked out the suffering of Katrina victims & Iraqi soldiers from her "beautiful mind" - to allow it in would allow her to acknowledge her son's mistakes, his incompetance, his failures. She doesn't want to confront that - better to think it's "working out well" in Katrina, dismiss rising fatalities in Iraq, pretend Georgie is managing everything well. I wonder if she would have reacted quite the same way if another man had been President. Not saying she wouldn't, everyone knows she can be bitter or "out-of-touch," but I wonder.

[Carni]

105. I think it's more like they *weren't her kind of people*

Unfortunately I have a relative with a neighbor who worked for the bush 1 regime--the comments this said neighbor has made about Katrina (and African Americans in general) are horrendous and she is a HUGE bushit supporter.

I don't know if it is a race thing with these bush types or a class thing but they have no use for the disadvantaged.

I don't think that B.Bush thinks for one minute that she didn't raise the finest brood imaginable. It's an entitled mindset and I would bet the woman thinks she did a fantastic job and has wonderful son.

[Marie26]

112. You're probably right.

Maybe it's a combination. Somehow I don't think she'd be so vocal w/her disdain if it was a different President in charge. But who knows. None of us can know what she's really thinking or feeling.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. I remember reading about that

Quite sad. I also read (can't remember where now, sorry) that there was no crying aloud at the funeral. Anybody know about that?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

68. There is this stiff upper lip mentality among old-style blue bloods

One of the sons of Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt died in infancy, and Franklin's mother, who lived with them, got angry if anyone showed any signs of grief. Eleanor had to go into the bathroom and run the water so that her mother-in-law wouldn't hear her cry.

[Rainscents]

67. As an adult, Bush should had gone into counseling and got help.

However, he choose not to and I feel no pain for him and his family! I went through horror as young child, but once, I knew I had problems, I went to counseling and got help.

[Vektor]

75. Yes, it's all in "The Family" by Kitty Kelley. Excellent book. A must read

It's not fair to say that the Bushes did not care when she died, like some are suggesting. They were upset - terribly so, but they shielded the other kids from it. Perhaps wrongly so, but they were in shock. I'd rather not see this situation used as a way to talk shit about the Bush family. They have done enough to warrant genuine criticism. The death of their child should not be used to sling mud.

[daleo]

81. If only they cared about other peoples' kids

Like the ones in Iraq.

[Vektor]

82. Yes, true. No doubt about that.

While I do feel bad that their child died, I also feel bad about every one else's children that have died as a result of the Bush family policies.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

89. Shielded the other kids? George was the only child when Robin died.

Jeb was born shortly after.

[Vektor]

97. Sorry for the extraneous "s".

Unintentional.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

98. I really wanted to elaborate because being the surviving child in those

circumstances can really do a number on that child. Survivors guilt. Then right on the heels, Jeb was born and supposedly showered with lots of attention. From as I understand, Shrub was pretty much ignored. I honestly believe that he is a sociopath, and this great tragedy formed him into what he is today.

[Vektor]

100. I know. It's really difficult

as a compassionate person to look at what Bush suffered as a child, and not feel pity - but then when you look at the adult, shaped by those traumatic childhood experiences, you are still tempted to feel that same compassion.

However.

When you see a grown man wreaking such havoc on the world and being responsible for the deaths of so many, you find that pity turning to anger. Yes, he was shaped by childhood trauma, and yes, he is now a very very dangerous man.

It's hard to feel sorry for him now, though my heart does still ache a little for the child he once was, because then, he was innocent.

[Disturbed]

102. My point was this.

GW Bush Sociopath

"I will never feel the same level of pain and loss you do. I didn't lose anyone close to me, a member of my family or someone that I love. But I want you to know that I didn't go into this lightly. This was a decision that I struggle with every day." GW Bush

W made these comments to Cindy Sheehan when she and her daughter met him in regards to her son's death in Iraq.

GW Bush had a sister who died. The family went golfing the next day. He forgot that he had a sister who died? “I didn't lose anyone close to me, a member of my family or someone that I love.” Maybe his sister wasn’t close to him or he didn’t love her but she (was a member of his family.)

Either he was lying about this or he forgot that he did lose someone close to him. Sure, he may have not wished to mention his sister but he still would have been lying. It seems nearly impossible that he would have forgotten that he had a sister who died. Either way this is quite strange.

[Vektor]

103. I agree. It's totally bizarre.

I feel so sorry for that poor little girl. And Bush - he's deranged, that's the truth. I really cannot fathom why he said that.

[Dogmudgeon]

111. No, it was possible

Robin (Pauline Robinson Bush) died in 1953, so the "other kids" were George and Jeb (who was an infant at the time). If the Bushs were a close family, she could also be talking about her nieces and nephews.

Here's the info from Wikipedia:

George W. Bush (b. 1946)
Pauline Robinson Bush (b. 1949, d. 1953) ("Robin")
Jeb Bush (b. 1953)
Neil Bush (b. 1955) (of Silverado Bank scandal fame)
Marvin Bush (b. 1956) (venture capital specialist and aficionado of underage Thai hookers)
Dorothy Bush (b. 1959) ("Doro")

Like most in Wikipedia, it's an excellent article:
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_family

--p!

[Mutley]

113. I don't think this is something to make fun of...

Losing a loved one is very tragic, and NO ONE deserves to go through that sort of thing.

[Sapphire Blue]

114. Photos

In a statement regarding Cindy Sheehan & Gold Star Families, he said that he felt for those who have lost loved ones... and that he had never lost anyone close to him... What about his baby sister???




George W. Bush and Robin Bush, Compton, California.
December 1949




Dorothy Walker Bush with her son, George H. W. Bush, and grandchildren, George W. and Robin Bush.
April 1953




Portrait of George W. and Robin Bush, Midland, TX
early 1950s