New Frame- Bush's war in Iraq is breaking the force.

[alfredo]

Let's face it, what good has this war done? Yes it has funneled a lot of money into the coffers of Halliburton and other war profiteers, but that's about it. How has it helped our military? Has it made us more secure? Has it strengthened or weakened our ability to respond to external threats?

Will our young people want to serve?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Ask any Guard family

what they think about endless deployments. Ask any military family who has a loved one over there because of "stop loss". Look at the stats-how many sergeants, the backbone of the Army, have decided not to reenlist? It's not just that we aren't getting fresh recruits-we're losing trained, experienced personnell. Murtha has close ties to the military brass and, imho, many of them got him to come up with his resolution. I think if you frame the argument this way, many people who are hawks on military matters may decide that a pullout is in order. And when that happens.....

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Oh but Dunce Hunter will tell you that these things have absolutely

nothing to do with morale, or rather the loss of it.

[alfredo]

5. bush's war has become a threat to our nation. Murtha's

resolution is a shot across the bow. through him they (the generals) are sending bush a message.

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[alfredo]

6. A draft will not help at this point. Career soldiers are

getting out.

Not long ago they pulled personnel from the training units and put them on the front lines in Iraq. Not only are we lowering the quality of enlistees, we are short changing their basic training and advance training.

If you were an NCO of a unit in Mosul and your new recruits are of marginal qualification and poorly trained, would you march into battle with confidence?

[RC]

7. No, I have kids draft age.

I do not want to put them in danger for a lie to steal some other country's oil.
I have a better idea. Stop the war. Then criminal investigations, indictments, arrests, long prisons terms for those involved in the overthrowing of our government.
For the master minds, Cheney, Rumsfeld, gwbu$h, and the rest, A short trial and a long confinement by the World Court.

We need to stop this illegal war that was started for fun and profit. We need to make sure this cannot happen again.

Too many people have already died for nothing because of the criminal incompetency of this Administration. In 2000, when the neo-cons illegally took over control of our government, the world was within sight of peace. Even Israel and Palestine almost had things worked out, thanks to Bill Clinton.

[cliss]

9. Same here. I have 3 teenage sons,

and I will not let them risk their lives for Halliburton's quarterly profit statements. If it was national security, I would not hesitate to protect this country. But for CACI and Titan? Sorry, not in this lifetime.

I really don't see how Bush can keep pushing this illegal war any longer. The U.S. has put 2 + 2. It's getting tougher and tougher for Bush to keep defending it.

He's got 2 wars right now: the one in Iraq, and the one at home.

[alfredo]

11. Talk of the draft before the war was a good teaching tool

but now a draft will not replace the NCO's and officers who have left in disgust. Our Army is in serious trouble.

[jmowreader]

8. The draft could be very useful...in ending this war

If there are absolutely no loopholes, no way to evade the draft, reinstating conscription would end the war and get rid of Bush at the same time in six months.

Here's a timeline:

Day zero: The draft begins. Ten thousand randomly-selected individuals are conscripted.

Day one: Six thousand of the ten thousand conscripts report for induction processing. Four thousand conscripts, all of whose parents donate heavily to the Republican Party, are reported as "failure to repair."

Day two: The head of the Selective Service System goes on television to announce that if the conscripts do not report for induction processing by noon tomorrow, their parents' bank and brokerage accounts will be locked up, their credit cards suspended and their car registrations terminated until such time as the conscripts report. Further, if the conscripts do not report within seven days, the suspended assets will be turned over to the United States government for use in financing the war.

Day three (at noon): The four thousand conscripts fail to report for processing and the government seizes their families' assets.

Day three (one hour later, after a whole lotta rich people had to pay for lunch with cash and/or Rolexes): Two thousand conscripts report for induction processing.

Day four: The other two thousand conscripts, all of whom fled to Canada or Europe, report for induction processing.

Day five: These four thousand conscripts are sent to reception stations on the other side of the United States to be processed into the Army. This exchange is heard repeatedly:

Conscript: "Do you know who I am?"
Sergeant: "No, and I don't care. Welcome to the infantry."

Day 130: The ten thousand conscripts are sent to Iraq, where the insurgents immediately commence bringing it on.

Day 131: The president of the Palm Beach Republican Club receives his son back in a bag.

Day 132: The chairman of the Orange County Republican Party is handed a folded flag.

Day 133: Keith Olbermann invents a new way of reporting war casualties: number of dead, number of wounded, number of dead millionaires' children, number of wounded millionaires' children. All other media outlets copy it.

Day 134: The president of the South Side Republican Progress League attends his son's funeral. On the way home, he stops by the roofing aisle at a lumberyard and asks which tar will hold feathers best.

Day 136: The national president of Gold Star on Silver Spoon Mothers kicks off a protest in the Capitol rotunda. Armed with a list of votes on the Iraq War Resolution, these rich yet angry mothers, dressed in Tyvek bunny suits with their hair pulled back, promise to tar-and-feather one Republican Member of Congress every hour until Bush is removed from office for lying America into a war.

Day 136 (four tarred-and-feathered Repukes later): Articles of impeachment are dropped into the hopper. Speaker Hastert throws them away.

Day 136 (one tarred-and-feathered Speaker later): New articles of impeachment are dropped into the hopper. They fail on a largely party-line (with five Republicans voting with the Democrats) vote.

Day 136 (after the GSoSSM vow to tar and feather one Repuke every five minutes, if that's what it takes): New articles of impeachment for the entire Bush administration are dropped into the hopper. They pass with unanimous consent.

Day 137: After the GSoSSM promise to start tarring-and-feathering Senators until Bush is gone and the war is ended, the Senate takes up the articles of impeachment. Two hours later, the entire Bush administration is removed.

Day 137 (later that afternoon): The House Majority Leader calls the pig farm. He informs Bush that he's no longer president, that he'll be arrested or shot, or both, if he ever comes back to Washington, and that someone will collect up all his shit out of the White House and send it back to Crawford for him.

Day 137 (two minutes after Bush is removed by the Senate): Someone finds a Bible and swears John Kerry into the White House with it. The Bible in question was taken from the offices of a Fundamentalist Christian congressman. It was given to him the day he turned thirteen, it's the only Bible he's ever had, and it's never been opened.

Day 137 (while someone's on the phone to Bush): A war ending resolution is passed by both houses and signed by President Kerry.

Day 137 (right after Kerry signs the bill): The GSoSSM pack up and go home. They almost had to anyway: they had run out of tar.

Day 150: the last American soldier leaves Iraq.

Day 151: Iraq peacefully divides itself into a Shia nation, a Sunni nation and a Kurdish nation. The three nations agree to start a joint petroleum corporation and hire a French petroleum executive to run it.

Day 152: the process of debushification begins.

[alfredo]

10. Excellent

Can we tolerate 152 days of the bush junta?

[jmowreader]

13. Yeah, but 153 is pushing it

[alfredo]

14. things are getting very hot for this president.

Events of the past few days makes me think many in the Pentagon are fed up with bush.

Murtha was just delivering a message.

[slor]

4. Not just a frame, it is a fact! n/t

[alfredo]

12. Then we need to speak the truth often and with force.

Bush's war in Iraq is breaking the force, Bush's war in Iraq is breaking the military, Bush's war in Iraq is weakening our nation.