How much ya wanna bet they plant WMD

[Jackpine Radical]

and then get their asses caught with their clumsiness? Like they forget to take the US Army label off a jug of anthrax or something?

I'm beginning to think Rove ain't all that smart--just brazen as hell and used to getting away with things because the press is bought off not to look at what he's doing. You don't need to be especially clever when the game is rigged.

[Jack Rabbit]

1. It wouldn't surprise me a bit

[DoctorBombay]

2. I've thought this for a while

It's probably taking longer than expected because of the attacks. It would be right in line with all the other lies and forgeries.

[Frances]

3. I am so mad right now that I am willing to believe

that Rove arranged for the anthax to be sent to Daschle and Leahy. And by the way, how is that investigation going? Are the same FBI agents who handled that going to investigate the forgery?

[Peachhead22]

5. Documents

It's a lot easier to plant documents outlining a "WMD program". Maybe that's why they've backed off the weapons claim and now use the word "programs" a lot.

[Zan_of_Texas]

7. same ones

Yep, the same ones who investigated the Carnahan crash and the Wellstone crash and the Baxter (former Enron VP) death by gunshot to the head.

And, probably the same ones investigating three sudden deaths of high executives associated with voting machines and voter registration.

Keep your coincidence caps handy folks. (FYI, Diebold is one of the four major makers of electronic voting machines in the U.S., and made the machines newly used in Georgia in the mid-term election, where Max Cleland, the incumbent Vietnam vet, lost his Senate seat. Mr. Dubya AWOL accused Dem. Senator Cleland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam, of being unpatriotic. The Republican won.)

1. Dan Rocco -- April 1, 2002 -- ChoicePoint VP

He died on April 1, 2002, in a plane crash in Gainesville, Georgia. He was an executive vice president at ChoicePoint, the firm that gained infamy with their faulty "felons" list supplied to Katherine Harris during the 2000 election in Florida. As a result of this list, thousands of voters (mostly African-American voters) were wrongly identified as felons and purged from the rolls.
<http://www.bk2k.com/bushbodycount/stolen-election/bodies.shtml>


2. Wesley Vance -- April 26, 2003 -- Diebold VP

Pilot Killed In Plane Crash Was Top Exec At Diebold

April 28. 2003 10:50AM
<http://www.wkbn.com/Global/story.asp?S=1253108>
(Jackson-AP) -- The pilot of a single-engine airplane that crashed in southern Ohio over the weekend was the chief operating officer of Canton-based Diebold Incorporated.
The company says 45-year-old Wesley Vance of Canton was flying a private plane that crashed Saturday near the Jackson County Airport. ...The company says Vance joined Diebold in October, 2000, as president of its North America business unit. He was named chief operating officer in 2001. Chief Executive Walden O'Dell will assume the company's daily operational responsibilities until a successor is found for Vance. An airport spokesman says Vance was practicing takeoffs and landings in a six-seat Beachcraft A-36 when it crashed near the airport.

3. Anthony J. Celebrezze Jr. -- July 4, 2003 -- Diebold consultant

Anthony Celebrezze Dies

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1057397985113640.xml
07/05/03

Former Ohio Attorney General Anthony J. Celebrezze Jr., 61, died yesterday in an Urbana hospital. Champaign County Coroner Joshua Richards confirmed that Celebrezze died about 9 p.m. yesterday, but would not confirm a cause of death.

Celebrezze, a Democrat of Columbus, was a stalwart in Cleveland and Ohio politics.... He was 38 when he was elected secretary of state in 1978.

He was Ohio attorney general from 1983 to 1991, and Ohio secretary of state from 1979 to 1983. Celebrezze ran against George Voinovich for governor in 1990 but lost.

Wayne Hill, Celebrezze's longtime communications director during the 1978 campaign for secretary of state and then attorney general, was in shock at Celebrezze's death yesterday.

Hill said Celebrezze, who enjoyed racing cars, was at Shady Bowl Speedway in De Graff for a Fourth of July race when he felt ill. De Graff is west of Columbus.

"It's beyond a shock. Tony had a passion for racing," said Hill in a telephone interview. "It's unbelievable. It's not right."

...After his loss to Voinovich, Celebrezze joined the law firm of Kegler, Brown, Hill & Ritter, and recently was a consultant for Diebold Inc., promoting electronic voting machines. ...

[Vitruvius]

22. So working for Bu$h & the Rethugs is like working for the Mafia --

you can get KILLED. No surprise there -- but there'll never be a shortage of greedy businessmen volunteers -- for either organization.

[notadmblnd]

21. They emptied the pond and guess what they got?

an empty pond.
:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. It will be debunked in a nano-second by the IAEA

as has everything else they've said and done.

[NYC]

6. It is too difficult to plant WMD.

That's the way it has been explained to me. There are people at DU who can give you details.

[hang a left]

9. I do not even think for

one moment that they would even try planting anything at this point. Noone would ever believe it anyway

[Jackpine Radical]

10. I don't think they're beyond trying it,

but doubt that they could do it well enough to bring it off in the face of serious scrutiny. But remember that Rove isn't used to having any of his dirty tricks exposed to serious scrutiny--for example, the WH & AF 1 trashing stories right after Shrub assumed his stolen office. Anybody who looked could have exploded those stories, but nobody looked, & when the story of the fraud did finally come out it got zero coverage in the press. A WMD faking story might surprise the hell out of them by getting coverage. That might not stop them from trying because they may not yet have figured out that their propaganda machine isn't functioning normally.

[Vitruvius]

17. Exactly. Forging technology is TOUGH --

to do it, you basically have to develop the new/forged technology essentially from scratch. Which means a biggish engineering team (or a flock of biologists for anthrax and the like) and a LOT of time. Which is why nobody's really able to do it right...

Plus, you'd have 'way too many people involved to keep a secret.

Their best bet would be to get something from elsewhere (e.g. the Former Soviet Union or North Korea) and plant it. Ideally, you plant something from a country that you want to go to war with (e.g. Iran or North Korea) -- so both those countries had better keep ALL their technology well-secured against theft by the Bu$h* gang.

However, as you say, they will most likely plant some lightly disguised US WMD technology -- and count on keeping control of the "evidence" so nobody can spot the fake. Because if it comes from the US, and isn't developed from scratch using non-US technology, it will scream "made in USA" in a thousand ways to any trained eye.

Vitruvius

[IndianaGreen]

8. David Kay was one of the advocates of war

He is now in charge of "finding" the missing WMD. Kay is the sort of man that would manufacture evidence!

[lanlady]

11. Kay's in Baghdad feeding Tom Brokaw garbage

about how there's a "7 mile-high" stack of documents showing Saddam's proof of intent.

[revcarol]

13. The nation is supposed to die of paper cuts?

BTW, didn't the President say they would put them in, in his "press conference" today? Look at those threads for his Freudian slip!!

[PaDUer]

12. It wouldn't surprise

me one bit! They're desperate..and knowing how this thug-team operates, be ready for them to be found before election time unless the shit really really stinks and dumbya starts to cry to pops! Wouldn't surprise me if trickydick's been running the show w/ pops..watch that pacemaker go off!

[no one in particular]

14. I didn't think they would, but now...

When all this "they're gonna plant WMDs!" started hitting these boards, I thought it was way over the top. But now, with the shit hitting the fan as hard as it is, who knows.

Things will be getting interesting, that much is for sure.

[Rick Myers]

15. I'm sure it's coming

But, due to a lack of translators, they need to find someone to fake the markings. Pull back the stickers and it will say "Made in the USA."

[Hamlette]

16. If they were going to

they would have done it by now.

It's too difficult. They gotta come up with tons of nasty stuff like antrax and move it in a clandestine fashion. Too dangerous. Need too many people to do it.

[demgrrrll]

18. I've written this before but if they were ever going to do that they would

have had ample opportunity to do so before they invaded.
It would have been easier and cleaner to plant whatever they were going to plant before the troops arrived. What I believe they may do is plant papers, a program that indicates that there were plans
to do evil things and or plans to build a bomb. I don't think they thought they were going to have to justify anything and therefore they are not prepared for what is happening right now.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. So what, times up.

We've been in Iraq almost as long as the weapons inspectors. Despite having the run of the place, we haven't come up with much more than a couple of used falafel trucks.

What this is about, is a lot bigger than a slice of yellow cake. It was about getting rid of someone, who supposedly had WMD's, that could be launched with 45 minutes. We were shown in the SOTU and at the UN, laundry lists of items that Saddam had in large quantities. Supposedly he had a massive and active WMD program and that he was fully equipped with all the latest in WMD's. We were warned about mushroom clouds.

W & Co. told us that they had all sorts of evidence that they couldn't show us because of national security. Now that Saddam is no longer in power, why can't they come up with even one shread of credible evidence. Why do they claim to still be keeping this info to themselves, but when someone finds some old washing machine parts buried in the backyard, it's national news? We bombed the shit out of a souvereign nation and it seems that all of the reasons for this aggression is nothing but a pack of lies. What kind of monster would do such a thing and how did they take control of our country?

[Sliverofhope]

20. It would indeed be easy to plant documents

Someone planted the documents fingering George Galloway, which are now found to be forgeries by the Christian Science Monitor. Geez, and the anthrax investigation... I hope someone somewhere is keeping a list of all the weird stuff going on, because it's sure easy for us mere mortals to keep track, and I am a person well versed in everything.