What just went down? FRAUD BILL?

[Kevin Spidel]

YES!!!

The Republican substitute for the Murtha Resolution on Iraq calls for the immediate termination of U.S. troop deployment in Iraq. In fact, the Murtha Resolution in its first resolved clause states: "Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces invovled are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date."

Talking points here: http://blog.pdamerica.org/?p=424

House on Fire, By Mike Hersh: http://blog.pdamerica.org/?p=423

[mzmolly]

1. Wow, what a quick response. Thanks.

:toast:

[helderheid]

2. Let me get this straight - the REPUBLICAN resolution calls for withdrawal?

[cry baby]

14. It is a sham resolution proposed by Duncan Hunter -

the "Look at all the wonderful food the detainees get" guy...He put Mr. Murtha's name on it and it calls for immediate redeployment of troops out of Iraq. It's like 3 sentences and doesn't have any of the wonderful ideas Rep. Murtha proposed. It's meant as a stab at Mr. Murtha.

[helderheid]

18. Is there a seperate resolution from Murtha also being voted on??

[cry baby]

20. No, I don't think so...Rep. Murtha hasn't put his up for consideration

yet.

[cry baby]

21. Here is the text of Mr. Murtha's resolution (the way he wrote it):

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That:

Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.

Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.

Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.

per:http://dailykos.com/

[Mutley]

15. It's a bluff.

They're just trying to make the Dems look like cowards. The resolution is nothing like Murtha's resolution.

[LSK]

3. it did not pass, just a vote to vote on it tonite

The final bill did not pass yet.

[LSparkle]

4. So they will have to wait to vote on it after the T'giving recess?

[LSK]

5. no, final vote will be tonite in the house

More to come...

[NYC Liberal]

6. The Rules Committee is discussing it now.

That is why the House is taking up other bills while they meet.

[LSparkle]

12. Wow -- GREAT! Tuning back in to C-Span ...

[Duer 157099]

7. What? You mean it was voted that it should be voted on tonight?

It's a blatant mischaracterization of Murtha's intention, why would the dems vote to have that put forward for a vote? Did they?

[helderheid]

8. they didn't - repubs did

[jim3775]

9. All the dems voted unanimously against bringing the bill to the floor n/t

[meganmonkey]

10. THe dems voted AGAINST putting it forward tonight

along with a handful of repubs, but it passed anyway.

:popcorn:

[LSK]

11. yes it was voted on to vote tonite

It is a republican who bastardized the original bill and propsed this. This is none of the Dems doing.

[LSparkle]

16. Talk about a STUNT! They only want this for window-dressing

to show that the "country doesn't want to withdraw troops."

Murtha never proposed IMMEDIATE withdrawal; he said "as soon as practicable." I hope the Dems drive this point home during any debate that may come up tonight.

[Sydnie]

17. Yes, Duncan Hunter ... Chair of the House Armed Services Committee

just shat upon every uniformed person he was charged with supporting.

We need to make sure that his NAME is always associated with this act.

Duncan Hunter .... Rep from CA ... the land of road rage! ;)

[The_Casual_Observer]

13. "Immediately terminate US troop deployment"

Those are truly wise-ass bastards, aren't they?

They opened that can of worms in Iraq and now they don't know that to do. No amount of this cynical childish tit-for-tat is going to get them out of the mess they got themselves in.

[Duer 157099]

19. So, the repubs voted for it to come to the floor for a vote

and those same repubs plan to vote against it? Where's the logic in that, or rather, how CLEARLY does that prove the stuntiness of this whole fiasco?

Talking point, talking point! Why else vote to bring a resolution to the floor unless you support it???

I hope the Dems suck it up and just vote for this bastardized version, just to make a point. (but they are sort of between a rock and hard place aren't they?)

[helderheid]

22. why? It also says they should be re-deployed as soon as possible

????

[meganmonkey]

23. They really are. My instinct is the same as you

vote for it, so the pukes can't say "but they voted to stay in!!!"

Because the repukes will all vote against so it's not like it'll pass.

But then the fear is that the bill is too vague and would probably be dangerous if it DID pass (I don't really know that, I just have a feeling. It's only like 2 sentences long). So the they can call the Dems irresponsible for voting for such a vague, vast bill...

:popcorn:

[Duer 157099]

24. Did Murtha vote for it to go to the floor? n/t

[meganmonkey]

26. No. NO Dems did.

I am 99% sure that the Dems all voted together to not vote on the res tonight.

[LiberalInGeorgia2005]

25. Here it is

The resolution calls for removal of the troops. The republicans want the democrats to either "put up or shut up" and go on record that they support the war.

The democrats said this resolution was just proposed today, we can't vote. So they voted on wheather to have the vote today. That is what that vote just was. It passed 211-204, so the vote will be today.

It's all a stunt by the republicans.

[Duer 157099]

27. You know what this is like?

It's like a married couple who has an argument, and the wife says maybe we should have a separation for awhile... and the husband angrily replies NO! Let's get a divorce! Tonight, in fact. If you don't sign an agreement TONIGHT to divorce me, then you PROVE that you want to stay with me!!

Isn't that what this is like?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

28. How can you put someone's name on a bill they didn't write?

What the hell is up with that? :shrug:

[Kevin Spidel]

29. if they have god on their side...

i guess anything is possable...


barf.