Kerry: Bush 'misled America' -- MSNBC Hardball **VIDEO**

[Patsy Stone]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10088231/

Senator plays Hardball on intelligence leading up to Iraq war

MSNBC
Updated: 11:54 p.m. ET Nov. 17, 2005


Chris Matthews
Host of 'Hardball'

Vice President Dick Cheney has attacked Democratic senators who voted for the war and are now opposed to it.

One of those senators is John Kerry.

MSNBC-TV's Chris Matthews spoke with Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) about those comments and the run-up to the war in Iraq. Kerry said, "there were a whole series of occasions where they took evidence, took the best light of the evidence only, kept the worst or alternatives from Congress and fed the American people with the imperative for war."

[tuvor]

1. Can't view without installing their "free software".

Dang.

[Patsy Stone]

3. Mine just launches.

In another window. I never installed anything. Strange. Sorry.

[Wordie]

32. Here's a link to Hardball site...text transcripts are available there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10088231/
(the above is a link to the story about today's Kerry interview)

[MH1]

2. Thanks for posting!

I taped it myself, but I'm sure some who missed it will appreciate your post.

(Kerry was AWESOME too, I thought.)

[Patsy Stone]

5. He was just great.

So eloquent.

[oregonindy]

4. lied the word is lied!

[NVMojo]

6. excellent! And hard to believe Matthews did not interrupt Kerry ...

wish this was our president ...instead of the idiot son.

[Patsy Stone]

8. True. All of it. n/t

[bullimiami]

7. right. he just cant seem to choke out the word LIED yet.

its like trying to start a fully loaded freight train using a tricycle.

maybe eventually well get them up to speed.

[fedupinBushcountry]

28. Oh really

MATTHEWS: Last night Vice President Cheney said there were a few opportunists, he called them, back home who are suggesting that our GIs were sent into battle for a lie. Is that a fair characterization of what you are saying?

KERRY: No. I didn’t say — I never used the word that they were sent into battle for a LIE, BUT THEY WERE — we were misled as a nation. Yes we were misled. On his face we were misled. There were no weapons of mass destruction. By anybody’s simple definition, if you think you’re doing one thing and it’s not there, you’re misled.

He speaks truth to power, to bad you can't choke out those words.

[Roxy66]

9. Thanks

[sandnsea]

10. Kucinich says misled

I wish people would hold everybody to the same standard around here. I see no reason to beat Kerry about the head over the word "lie" and praise Kucinich when he uses the word "mislead".

"Congress, controlled by Republicans, did vote to authorize the use of force against Iraq. But only after being misled by misinformation, bad intelligence and faulty arguments by the President and his aides.

"The buck stops directly at President Bush's desk for the misleading information, false intelligence and disproven arguments that President Bush, and his Administration, used to lead this nation, and Congress, into war.

"The President cannot claim he was misled as he continues to mislead. While the President seeks to absolve himself from 'false intelligence' he is continuing to assert the same falsehoods that led us into Iraq and keeps us there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2255664

[Patsy Stone]

12. Misled

is fine. I have no problem with misled. When the people put in a position to lead do it poorly, they mislead.

From dictionary.com:

mislead:

1) To lead in the wrong direction.
2) To lead into error of thought or action, especially by intentionally deceiving.

[LittleClarkie]

15. Intentionally deceiving

Sounds like a lie to me.

[unblock]

20. yes he lied. but he also did a sucky job of leading us. hence, 'misled'

two insults for the price of one! brilliant!

[jayctravis]

34. The "misled" I think is what the Admin is going to hedge with.

People can mislead by accident, or on purpose. That's the gist.

Just because the driver of the bus had passengers on board doesn't make them responsible for careening off into the ditch. That's what they're saying..."Yall believed it too!"

Turns out congress believed it because they weren't allowed to see all the facts.

[karynnj]

41. Monday, on the Senate floor, Kerry explicity compared the definitions

of being wrong and intentionally giving misleading information. He then used concrete examples to prove that Bush did the latter.

"The issue is whether they were misled intentionally. Just as there is a distinction between being wrong and being dishonest, there is a fundamental difference between relying on incorrect intelligence and making statements that you know are not supported by the intelligence. "

He then has several paragraphs where eah paragraph describes information given and the proof that they knew at the time that they were not true.

One of the most interesting - because it says the entire Bush effort to win support was:

"The act of misleading was pretending to Americans the real concern was weapons of mass destruction when the evidence suggests that his real intent was to finish the job his father wisely refused and remove Saddam Hussein to “remake the Middle East”.

[jayctravis]

45. Richard Clark emphasized the point on The Daily Show

last night...when American soldiers were "driving up Saddam's highway" he apparently did not use any WMD's he allegedly had.

[Patsy Stone]

21. Especially.

"...especially by intentionally deceiving" :)

[unblock]

16. i like 'misled' because it's TWO insults in one!

in insults shrubs integrity AND his leadership at the same time!

[Patsy Stone]

23. Yep

and it leaves open the teeniest possibility that they were all just innocent little victims in the WH, not big fat liars, and their BS could (cough, cough) prove to be true.

:thumbsup: IMHO.

[LittleClarkie]

27. Sort of the Certs of insults, if you will

Two... two... two insults in one...

(slap me)

[unblock]

31. you asked for it!

:spank:

[sandnsea]

26. I don't either

That was sort of a generic statement to anyone who wanted to jump into the thread demanding the word LIE. For 3 years the people around here have held Kerry to a different standard than anybody else, it gets really really old.

[Patsy Stone]

29. I knew you didn't.

My response was meant as the same preemptive "Shh!" as yours. I was agreeing.

Yes, eating our own is always a bad thing.

[Pryderi]

11. Ahhh...he mentioned DSM!!! When will MSM pick this story up again???

[Patsy Stone]

13. He so did.

And it was great to hear.

[bleever]

14. Our 2008 candidate is going to be someone who can tell

the story of this fiasco in a coherent, and uncomplicated way.

[Patsy Stone]

19. Do you know of such a man?

:hi: I'm off to bed.

[JohnnyCougar]

36. Feingold.

http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/feingoldhardballnov1605.wmv

Observe the difference.

[wisteria]

17. Thank you for posting this!! n/t

[Pryderi]

18. So, is Hilary Clinton *not* running in '08? She's been awfully silent.

[JWS]

25. Maybe she's just keeping a low profile for now.

She might not want to make to big a target for herself right now with three years to go, besides who knows what we will get to choose from in the primaries, hopefully something good.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

22. who was it that jokingly said Bush accused everybody of "mis-following"

great quote, whoever that was.

[JWS]

24. He needs a double shot of espresso

OMG, I could barely stay awake the whole nine minutes of the interview! He has this slow monotone drone to his voice that resembles an air conditioner on a hot summer day.

I honestly hope he does end up with the top spot on the Foreign Relations committee come '06, and I do really like John Kerry, but sometimes he's off and sometimes he's on. He made some good points during the interview but I think that the lazy eyes and the droning killed it for all but the most astute listeners.

[fearnobush]

33. I guess you voted for Bush then?

Sounds like something a republican would say, one that perhaps can only focus on three word sentences like, "we're spreading freedom."

[JWS]

47. Just because I don't fawn over kerry doesn't mean i didn't vote for him!

No I didn't vote for Bush, and I don't understand how you could reasonably make that assumption if you had read my entire post.

However:

I really do think that John Kerry would do much better if he examined his oration technique, and wasn't so reticent to say things like, "Bush is a liar", a known and verifiable fact. See Dennis Kucinich's, and the other dems recent speeches before the house, that kind of fire is what I would like to see in a Presidential Candidate. As for the information that John Kerry gives in his speeches, I would feel much better about reading it than hearing it in an interview with tweetie.

That said, I do like John Kerry and I got butterflies when he compared Bushco to tony soprano.

Anyways thanks for your reply, I hope I cleared up any misunderstanding.

[karynnj]

42. Not possible - the positions are by senority

I doubt Biden and Dobbs will quit the committee and both joined the Senate before Kerry.

[JWS]

46. Yeah I didn't realize that 'til my brother told me n/t

[oioioi]

30. If you don't think * is toast after watching this....

... you're not paying attention.

[JohnnyCougar]

35. Boy...I'm really unimpressed and disappointed.

Kerry is the Senator of capitulation.

Feingold is the Senator of brass balls.
http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/feingoldhardballnov1605.wmv

Plus, Feingold just threatened to filibuster the renewal of the USA Patriot Act by reading the Bill of Rights.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/17/23598/477
Would Kerry ever do that?

Feingold just comes out and says it. We weren't "misled." Misled is such a Kerry word, such a weak word. Feingold calls it "propaganda." We were fucking overtly lied to, for god's sakes. Just admit it, Kerry. And admit that we have to start pulling out NOW!

[Patsy Stone]

43. No one's saying Feingold isn't great.

He just wasn't on Hardball last night, which is what this thread is about. I like Feingold just fine. The two are not mutually exclusive. There's enough room under my big tent to accept all words used to describe the disgusting behavior of the BFEE.

[sellitman]

37. How about him using the LIAR word?

When will Kerry and every other DEm call it like it is.

Mislead my ass..... BUSH & CHENEY LIED!!!!!!!!!!!

[Justice Is Comin]

38. I'm regretfully in agreement with you.

If he'd said it over and over on the campaign trail, he'd be president right now. We'd be talking about how much the deficit is coming down, not how low Shrubs polls finally are.

If he can't bring himself to say Bush lied about the war fact itself, why doesn't he at least say it where he unconditionally states there is a lie. WE DID NOT HAVE THE SAME INTELLIGENCE. That's a lie lie lie.

Try the word there if you don't want to use it for the rest. It might feel really good and you'll find you want to use it more.

[MarkTwain]

39. Too little, too late, John...

... you knew all of this eighteen months ago and you did nothing but kiss the ass of what you perceived was "middle" America.

You were gutless then and you are now doing all of this now for so very crass and obvious obvious political (read: 2008) reasons.

We don't need another candidate who loses the White House because he fails to fight at the right time and for the right reasons yet who, nevertheless, finds those reasons a year and a half later.

Go away, John. Just Go Away.

[ProSense]

40. Keep this at the top. More people need to see Kerry kick a**

[emulatorloo]

44. kick n/t