Should teenagers be able to conceal carry guns to school?

[billbuckhead]

[LoZoccolo]

1. That would be a big resounding *YES*!

"Violence rules, guns are cool, and we've got guns in our school!"
-The Dead Milkmen

[manic expression]

2. My question

Are you serious? Sorry if that seems rude, but what are you expecting from this?

BTW, no.

[autorank]

3. In Phoenix teens can carry concealed weapons with a note from parents.

I am NOT kidding...this was the case when I was out there 3-4 years ago. Read it in The Republic. There was a debate on this issue...wheather a note was even necessary. There was also Republican out there who wanted to secede from the U.S. if we stayed in the UN. A local Democrat threatened to introduce a bill to specifically provide for the guys mental health treatment. It's the wild west baby. Great city btw...

[sakabatou]

8. So that means I can bring in spike shuriken, and throwing knives?

[autorank]

11. sakabatou, Of course not, those are dangerous weapons...in Phoenix

You don't hunt with those puppies. Note or not from the parental unit, you are NOT to leave home with conceales weapons. The 2nd amendment does not protect Kung Fu stuff. Sorry...:evilgrin:

However, in LA, who knows?

[sakabatou]

14. Dammit!

[Ravenseye]

42. Can you bring a gun into a courthouse in Phoenix?

Here in Pittsburgh you have to go through a metal detector to get into the courthouse, or other civic buildings. Do you have that in Phoenix, or can anyone carry a concealed weapon right into a courthouse or state office building?

I kinda doubt it...so why should anyone be allowed to do it in school. If that many peopel need to bring guns to school, then they should just have a gun check somewhere where they can leave their gun in the gun safe while they're at school.

[autorank]

44. Actually Phoenix is the New West.

In the Wild West, people had to check their guns outside of town often.

Don't think they can take guns to court or school, but you never know.

There was a Speaker of the AZ House, nice 60 year old, who used to carry a 38 or something in her handbag on the House floor. People treated her well;)

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. I am calling B.S. on this

It is a violation of federal law to carry guns or weapons to any school in the USA.

[cloud_chaser1]

4. I would love to know

how somone came up with the idea that students carrying concelaed weapons to school is okay. They already carry guns, knives and bombs to school and we have seen the results of that.

Schools are no place for weapons of any kind, hand gun, long guns, automatic or semi automatic, even crude weaspons like sharpened sticks, bats, rocks, etc.

Do we really need Columbine type incidents again? Teenagers are not mature enough to fully control their thoughts and emotions and to allow them to walk around armed, is asking for trouble big time. What about gangs in schools where they ALL come armed. You ready for that shit?

[Aimah]

5. That's insane.

I went to a Highschool where 2 students were shot in the school. If teens were allowed to carry weapons I could see 1 or more persons being shot everyday in some areas. It is kind of an issue though. You can carry a concealed weapon in many places when you are 18. I know a guy who had a gun in his car. School security and police found it during a surprise car search. He ended up being arrested and expelled from school his senior year.

[KingFlorez]

6. Absolutely not

You are asking for trouble if you want that.

[roguevalley]

7. any parent who would allow that deserves to lose their house in

the resultant civil action.

[billbuckhead]

12. The NRA wants teenagers to have guns in school

Under pressure form the NRA, Mark Warner let them have guns in cars in the school parking lot.

"One involved several votes that Mr. Miles had made in favor of several new laws, all signed by Gov. Warner and backed by the Democratic Party Establishment, allowing guns on school property and making it harder for local police to stop illegal gun sales at gun shows.

To be honest, no one had really known about these new laws until the campaign had started. When I first realized this situation, it seemed hard to believe. But a little research showed that despite campaign promises to the contrary, the governor and the Democratic Party Establishment had been trying to make nice with the NRA and others to prove they weren't liberal.

I have always respected the NRA as a political force and in all my campaigns, we never had a problem with the NRA. And in all these years, I don't recall the NRA being focused on changing the law on these particular matters."

<http://www.augustafreepress.com/stories/storyReader$35210>

[leesa]

33. Of course they do...kaaaaaching!

It's all about making money.

[billbuckhead]

37. Think about the marketing aspect of teenagers buying guns

Think about the marketing aspect of teenagers buying guns. An armed to the teeth school is a polite school without bullies, just like Dodge city and the OK corral. Get them started early so they have a lifetime of buying guns.

[Spinzonner]

9. Will the PTA be running Bulletproof Vest drives ?

[afdip]

10. even if their parents are repukes???

[niyad]

13. you are joking, right? this cannot possibly be a serious question

[billbuckhead]

17. What about the 17year old shooting another student on a Florida schoolbus?

Under Florida's shoot first law it's possible she could get off because the other student threatened her. What age is it OK to let someone use guns?

"The shooting occurred around 7:20 a.m. on a southbound school bus near Southwest 38 Street and between Rose and Woodscape drives, which is located east of Florida's Turnpike. Police said two students, both teenage girls, had argued and fought a day earlier and said the spat escalated on Tuesday. It was not immediately known what the two were arguing over.

But police said the unidentified 17-year-old girl carried a handgun on to the school bus Tuesday morning and waited until the victim boarded at another stop. They apparently argued again and then at least one shot was fied at Cheatam. The shooter then fled.

"Apparently once the victim got on the school bus this morning, there was another confrontation between the victim and the suspect. The suspect pulled out a firearm and shot the victim once in the upper torso," Officer Bill Robertson said at a press conference."

<http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1115busshooting,0,1051317.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines>

[Mr_Spock]

15. OK, not sure even the NRA supports this...

You are asking a lot of questions - I am expecting there will be a summary of your gun control surveys in the near future?

[billbuckhead]

19. NRA has already pushed through a law in VA. to let guns in school parking

"But McEachin made Miles' record an issue, particularly his opposition to the City Charter changes expanding the mayor's powers and a vote to allow the holder of a concealed-handgun permit to possess a concealed handgun on school property, as long as it is kept in a car in the school parking lot. Miles said he didn't recall the vote."

<http://timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031783300879>

[Mr_Spock]

22. BTW, your "yes" answer says "in school", no says "to school"...

Did you mean to be deceptive or was that an accident?

This parking lot issue is "to school" but not actually "in school".

[billbuckhead]

27. I always thought school buses counted as "in school"

I always thought school buses counted as "in school" as one could be expelled for bad behavior on the bus. Also there are expressions such as take your lunch to school.

[Silverhair]

29. Texas has been that way for years. No problem here.

I have a Texas CHL (That what we call a CCW here.) and I can carry in the parking lot & school grounds, but not inside the school building.

Guns locked in the trunk of a car in a parking lot are not a big deal.

[billbuckhead]

20. Dead serious,NRA already is working on it Here's another link

"But McEachin made Miles' record an issue, particularly his opposition to the City Charter changes expanding the mayor's powers and a vote to allow the holder of a concealed-handgun permit to possess a concealed handgun on school property, as long as it is kept in a car in the school parking lot. Miles said he didn't recall the vote."

<http://timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031783300879>

[No Exit]

18. ARE THEY CRAZY???

Teenagers carrying guns to school! Why not just dance around the fire wearing lighter-fluid cologne!

And I'M not an "anti-gun" person!

[RB TexLa]

21. Of course and a bottle of whiskey, and keys to a fast car

Surely kids can handle all of those responsibilities

[NuttyFluffers]

25. well, the bad kids (aka criminals-to-be) will get to them anyways :P

so might as well give them to all kids so they can protect themselves, right? a violent lawless society is a polite society, or something like that...
:sarcasm:
:evilgrin:

now to watch. :popcorn:

[htuttle]

43. We may as well stop requiring Driver's Licenses, too

After all, aren't we guaranteed the right of free travel in the constitution?

Driver licensing seems like an infringement of our rights! Hell, let kids drive as soon as they can see over the steering wheel! What could *possibly* go wrong?

[sandnsea]

23. Gun Stamps for the poor

If gun ownership is a Constitutional right in order to defend yourself, and you can't depend on the cops, then low income Americans should be assisted in purchasing guns. Don't the poor have as much right to defend themselves as the rich? Why should their lack of money leave them defenseless?

Gun Stamps.

[ultraist]

24. Isn't it illegal for minors to carry weapons?

I thought only adults could get a license to own a gun.

[Massacure]

26. I'm so stupid.

I voted yes even though I meant to vote no. Even as pro second amendment as I am, I even recognize this as a stupid idea. >_<

It's late, I'm going to bed now, lol.

[billbuckhead]

28. 54 guns seized at home of double-slaying suspect, 18

54 guns seized at home of double-slaying suspect, 18

Thursday, November 17, 2005

AP
LITITZ, Pa. -- Police seized 54 guns from the home of an 18-year-old man charged with killing his girlfriend's parents and fleeing the state with her, according to court documents filed today.

The information about the weapons and ammunition removed from David Ludwig's home was contained in report on a search warrant that was executed Sunday by Warwick Township police, while he and his 14-year-old girlfriend were still at large.
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<http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05321/608119.stm>

[LWolf]

30. Not if you want any teachers in the classroom.

I sure as hell won't show up for work to spend all day by myself with 90 armed teenagers.

:eyes:

[VaYallaDawg]

31. No way, no how. n/t

[kwassa]

32. 1500 weapons confiscated one year in the early '90s in LA schools

of which 700 were guns.

The statistic that threw me was that some 35 guns were confiscated from elementary students.

Something I read in the LA Times about '94 or so.

[triguy46]

34. I'm sorry, this is too bizarre to even participate in.

[billbuckhead]

36. It may be bizarre but it's what giving into gun lobby begats

These gun "rights" activists will keep pushing the envelope until gun are everywhere carried legally by anybody.

Under gun lobby pressure, Democratic politicians have already allowed concealed carry on school property in Virginia. The amazing thing is that this wasn't enough for the NRA. They still vigorously campaigned against Virgina Dems.

[MrBenchley]

35. Of course not...

Which doesn't keep the trigger happy from pushing idiotic solutions like this.

Bonus Fun Fact: What demented group of right wing shitheads publishes a gun magazine FOR KIDS?

[Midlodemocrat]

38. No. Only someone who has never experienced

the raging hormones of a teenager would think this is a good idea.

[slackmaster]

41. Not all teenagers are out of control

Raging hormones is a NORMAL condition, but some teens have an unusual high level of maturity for their age.

[Midlodemocrat]

46. Yes, but some don't.

I taught high school for 10 years, was a psychologist specializing in treating adolescents, and I have two. I wouldn't trust any teenager with a loaded gun in a school. Ever.

[Zynx]

39. Umm...No.

I know enough about public highschools to know that even in wealthy school districts where crime is lower that the students are emotionally unstable and might kill themselves, teachers, and fellow students over relatively minor things.

[slackmaster]

40. Thanks for the opportunity to play Devil's Advocate billbuckhead

If a high school student is over 18 and meets his or her state's requirements for a concealed weapons permit, why not?

:shrug:

[billbuckhead]

50. You're an advocate for the devil if I ever heard one

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to point that out.
:evilfrown:

[ourbluenation]

45. F no! Got one of them aliens in my house...no way would I trust him

with a weapon!!!

[SomewhereOutThere424]

47. *sigh*

It should never be an issue, being A) there are not terrorist OMG TEH BIN LADEN ZARQOWI people out to get you at school. B) school is to learn, not to shoot people.

I am very disheartened that 12 voted yes. There are freepers among us.

[LoZoccolo]

53. What do you mean FReepers, Mr. Three Hundred And Thirty Nine Posts!

I so voted yes.

[kcwayne]

48. How can they possibly fire back at the terrorists and libruls that are

packing concealed weapons and hating America?

They need to pack concealed guns to protect our freedoms.

[RJRoss]

49. My 15 year old son

loves guns, but I doubt he would want to attend a school that allowed students to carry, even if he was packing heat himself.

One possible crazy-ass justification for allowing teenagers to take guns to school - if the other students at Columbine had been armed, not nearly as many would have been killed. Not that day, at least.

[TahitiNut]

51. It should be REQUIRED if they're home-schooled.

:evilgrin:

[gordianot]

52. No not really

I know of a recent incident where a student brought a shotgun disassembled to school. While in the restroom this student assembled the gun at his friends insistence and discharged a shell in the ceiling of the rest room. When the administrators came to the restroom he pointed the shotgun at both administrators. It appeared he brought the gun to show a friend, discharged the gun on a dare and really did not mean to hurt anyone (no one was hurt other than high and well deserved administrators). No guns at school are not a good idea, there are enough problems with teaching literacy compared to spending resources on firearms education.

In the late 1970's I worked in a small rural district that allowed students to bring shotguns deposited in the Principals office and verified as unloaded before entering the building. Deer season was an extended vacation. Even in this rather different rural community alas has banned guns on the premises.

Keep your guns at home kids.