Would GWB Nod for Korean LIHOP to Save His Ass?

[David Zephyr]

Is George W. Bush enough of a psychopath to "ignore" the building threat from North Korea, to turn his head, to secretly wish for a tragic distraction from the daily news drip exposing his Presidency as a fraud.

LIHOP? :nuke: :shrug: :nuke: :shrug: :nuke: :shrug: :nuke: :shrug:

[QC]

1. How would this help him?

Bush has spent the past three years declaring five times a day that only he can protect us.

In order to protect us he has bankrupted the country, repealed the Bill of Rights, and sent more than 150,000 loved ones to Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 200 of those are dead.

If we are attacked now, it will only demonstrate to everyone but the most abjectly slavish Bushites that Cowboy George has not made us any safer, despite our sacrifices.

I don't think this would help him.

[SweetZombieJesus]

2. EXACTLY

As paranoid I am about him having an ace up his sleeve, another attack on Americans wouldn't help him at all, but would rather further show how incompetent the bastard is and expedite his downfall.

[Lisa]

20. it probably wouldn't ...

But if he thought that it might ... and he didn't do anything, or let things get worse on purpose just so he could jump in and save the day (and ended up messing up big-time) -- the results could be ghastly.

[Merlin]

3. One way out for Shrubbie is to have SK provoke a war with NK

One assumes if a shooting war began betw NK & SK, the North would be loathe to use nukes. The South would enjoy military supremacy and air control. So long as the Chinese don't come in--and one assumes they're as worried about Kim as we are--the South can throw the North into quite a bit of turmoil. Presumably there would be at least enough chaos to allow for the penetration of the North's secret sites, and the capture of some folks who can let us in on the facts.

In other words, the big thing the North has going for it is that it is a closed society. A war would, to a degree, open things up by shaking up the norm, thus permitting SK intel operatives to penetrate.

What brings this to mind is the thread last night on this subject, and the story tonight that a fire fight broke out today on the DMZ.

[hang a left]

14. If North Korea

goes to south korea they do attack us as well

[Merlin]

17. Right. But not vice versa.

Thus if Shrubbie gets SK to attack NK, we're off the hook. Such a "war" wouldn't have to go on very long. Just long enough to shake up the status quo and open up the North a bit.

[Old and In the Way]

19. I'm sure a whacked out mid-level SK officer could provoke a local battle.

But SK is not too keen on setting off a nuclear war on the Korean penninsula. No way will they facilitate a war to help distract America from Bush's crimes...ain't gonna happen, that way.

[charlie]

4. Or make it happen

Rumsfeld has just cooked up a high-stakes game of chicken that has some in the administration a bit freaked.

[David Zephyr]

7. Read This Timely News Article Posted Here by Charlie.

Very timely. Thanks.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030721/usnews/21korea.htm

[DagmarK]

5. Well, look where a NK nuke would land??????

Right in the thick of liberal world - the west coast.

an LIHOP would help out quite a bit in the coming elections.....if we on the west coast were taken out...........

[charlie]

6. Doesn't have to go that far

There's 150K+ US servicemembers on the Korean peninsula and Japan.

[Zan_of_Texas]

8. Dangerous question.

If he is, I don't know what to do about it, DZ.

Except jettison him out of office, faster than he and his cohorts can spin lies.

These guys, going back to before Enron, go by a doctrine of "creative destruction," and they love to profit by chaos. How much chaos? I dunno.

The US did not guard the uranium at the known Iraqi nuclear facility, Tuwaitha. ("The administration knew full well what was stored at Tuwaitha. So how is it possible that the U.S. military failed to secure the nuclear facility until weeks after the war started? This left looters free to ransack the barrels, dump their contents, and sell them to villagers for storage. ...The Tuwaitha story makes a mockery of the administration's vaunted concern with weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. military hastened to secure the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad from looters. But Iraq's main nuclear facility was apparently not important enough to get similar protection.")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=52593&mesg_id=52593&page=

This is troubling for more than the visible reasons.

My concern is, to have lots of people openly looting the radioactive material is not only dangerous and deadly for people in the vicinity, but it creates a plausible theory for how some "terrorist" could get hold of these materials and do another major attack against the U.S.

I don't much like the idea that the U.S. failed to guard this material, supposedly the reason we went over there. Not just failed, but failed miserably -- broke the locks! Jeez.

[David Zephyr]

12. Dangerous Indeed, Zan_of_Texas

And welcome to the DU. I've enjoyed reading your posts here and am glad you found our asylum. :hi:

[Zan_of_Texas]

15. Thanks!

I like your posts, too!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

9. He can't. It would PROVE what intelligence was telling him all

along - that North Korea was a much bigger threat than Saddam would ever be.

[David Zephyr]

10. Good Counterpoint, But...

His poll numbers just soared after 9/11 and after he invaded Afghanistan and after he invaded Iraq.

It's the only time his numbers go up.

That's what is scary, too...because it's something he understands.

:hi:

[Lisa]

21. "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

No kidding!

[Ein]

11. I don't fully believe in NK's claims or abilities.

I don't doubt that Bush would pull a sort of... North Korea "Wag the Dog" for a war time boost at the right moment.

[RainDog]

13. hey david, I just mentioned what you said

about the Energy Policy Task papers in another thread...and then said I would not put it past the neocons to start another war for their political gain.

unfortunately, there are way too many uninformed people in this country, which I think might lead the Bushies to think they could successfully pull off something like this.

however, I think it would backfire on them big time, considering all the unresolved issues about Iraq, now seeing that they are so unscrupulous they outed Wilson's wife as a CIA operative who was involved in HUNTING FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

So I cannot imagine that there asses are not now fried, if they have, indeed, blown a CIA operative's cover to try to hide their lies.

in other words, they can only make things worse by not realizing they are done for.

unfortunately, they are so full of hubris and what seems to be a touch of, uh, insanity, that I don't think they'll know it's time to quit because they've lost their imperial game.

This is my biggest fear, in fact. I think they are capable of using nukes, and what is happening now makes me think someone needs to take the keys out of their hands and put them in detox.

[David Zephyr]

16. Hey RainDog!

As much as I believe that Rummy, Cheney, Wolfie, Condi, and Bushie would welcome the distraction...

I think, I hope that there must be a growing number of individuals within the Pentagon and Armed Forces who are watching this crowd like hawks now.

Seven Days in May?

Hey RainDog...Get Away From My Chick" -- Apologies to the Everly Brothers.


:hi:

[RainDog]

18. hey what?

hokay...but you should know that I'm a female and strictly dickly...
so to speak...

[Old and In the Way]

22. Let assume, for a moment...

They did LIHOP/MIHOP 9/11. And they did attack Iraq for Oil and Repair Contracts. And they are trying to bankrupt the federal government with reckless fiscal policies.

Let's also say that the dam is starting to leak and they are in danger of a full scale breach. The words Impeachment and Treason become operative. Treason and allowing 3000 Americans to die on 9/11 could be grounds for capital punishment, yes?

Now, tell me, what wouldn't these people be willing to do to save their own necks? If starting WW 3,4, and 5 offered them a chance to avoid judgement....would this be a stretch?

I hope there are people in Washington giving this some serious consideration....it only takesa few seconds in the modern age to get a full scale holocaust underway. Reagan was only joking when he made them statement, we will commence bombing the Soviet YUnion in 5 minutes. It wouldn't be nearly as funny coming from George....