Help me smack down my husband

[PennyK]

He's been saying that the Fitzgerald investigation has cost MILLIONS...money that, in his opinion, could be used for better things. I'm pretty sure he gets all his political news from Imus...how sad is that? Anyhow, does anyone have an idea of what this investigation into treason is costing?
I know, I know...we're close to breaking up anyway.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. Remind him how much the Michael Jackson trial cost

[donheld]

31. Remind him how much Ken Starr spent

or was that ok cuz it was a blow job?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

42. I do believe there are certain individuals

who will pay just about anything for the abovementioned bj.

[SpiralHawk]

46. Starr spent about $40 million to investigate a BJ

The 9/11 investigation was about $11 million.

Guess which issue the Republicans have been most worried about...

Pathetic, and corrupt. Throw the bums out.

[Tim4319]

2. Fitz's investigation const $723,000

Ken Starr cost nearly 40 Million dollars.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/01/starr.costs/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102301028_2.html


Ken Starr's figures
<<snip>>
The figures show that Starr's office, through the end of November 1998, had spent $40,835,000. That includes $27,749,000 in direct expenses from independent counsel appropriations and $13,086,000 in unreimbursed expenses incurred by other government agencies.


Fitzgerald's figures
<<snip>>
While supervising at least four lawyers and an FBI team in the leak case, Fitzgerald jetted between his downtown Chicago office and borrowed space at 1400 New York Ave. NW, not far from the courthouse where the grand jury meets most Wednesdays and Fridays. In its first 15 months, the investigation cost $723,000, according to the Government Accountability Office.

[im10ashus]

30. Amen, fellow DUer! Amen.

That was going to be my response. Poor Penny having to deal with such inept awareness in a husband who fails to see the real picture. You, Mr. Tim, have summed it up perfectly.

[Tim4319]

34. Thank you!

[Rosco T.]

3. "money that, in his opinion, could be used for better things"

Ask him how the BILLIONS wasted in Iraq could have been used better.
Then ask if a few MILLION to remove this Corrupt Junta isn't worth the BILLIONS more they will flush down the cesspool and into Halliburton's pockets.

[Rick Myers]

4. Here ya go!!!

Fitzgerald's investigation of the Plame leak cost less than $1M up to the time the indictment was issued.

http://www.nndb.com/people/749/000099452/

[Geoff R. Casavant]

21. Does this include their salaries?

I don't think Fitz and his aides are getting compensation above and beyond their usual salaries for this additional work, but their salaries may be listed under the investigation anyway. So the true question is how much additional expenses are being incurred that otherwise wouldn't, and I expect that $723K figure goes down considerably.

[Lex]

5. Current CIA undercover agents would disagree with your husband.

I'm sure they think it's well worth the money to get to the bottom of who outed a CIA agent for partisan political gain.

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. 200 thousand? Or somewhere in that neighborhood. I think anyway.

How about what the illegal and immoral war on Iraq has cost and where that money could have been spent?

[SomewhereOutThere424]

7. MILLIONS eh?

Isn't the iraq war hundreds of millions of dollars per day? Does he think that money is well spent?

[LittleClarkie]

8. How much did the Clinton investigation end up costing

considering it went on almost his entire presidency.

[Tim4319]

9. Check post #2

It cost $40 Million Dollars, and all we got was a blue dress!

[bonito]

10. Better things

Like bigger bombs that kill, and the hate it spreads directed at our children, ask him what price he would pay to save the lives of his children. Standing behind this administration is a vote for war and death.

[sandnsea]

11. $20 million Cisneros investigation

11 years later, it might have finally been closed. His crime? Lying about paying money to a former mistress. How does your husband feel about that?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/10/20/national/w163115D56.DTL

[Bridget Burke]

47. The Cisneros investigation was worthwhile for the Republicans.

Henry Cisneros had a promising political future. The smart, charismatic former mayor of San Antonio & graduate of Texas A&M appealed to a wide range of people.

He told the world when he was in love outside of his marriage. But his wife gave birth to a son with serious heart problems & he ended the affair. During investigation before his appointment to lead HUD, he told the FBI he was helping his former mistress. (Bitch!) However, since he said he was paying less than he actually was--his political career ended.

$20 million to knock out a Democrat with a future--quite cheap for the Republicans. Especially since it was not just their money--it was ours.

[Mythsaje]

12. Ask him to name one thing it would be better spent on

and why anyone in this administration would bother unless it padded the pockets of the ones who need it the least.

I mean, what's a million dollars actually worth in comparison to the deficit these loons have run up? It wouldn't buy anything for anyone unless they gave it to 100 deserving folks trying to pay for a college education.

Oh, wait...they'd never do that. They're CUTTING financial aid...can't let the rabble get an education, now can they?

[PennyK]

13. Thanks.

I can't even bring myself to tell you his ideas on ending the war...suffice it to say that he thinks it's a waste of time to keep going on about how and why we went to war (although he does agree that it was wrong).

[mopaul]

14. worth every penny

but i agree, these investigations cost way too much

[HillDem]

15. Just remind him how much

Iraq costs...

5 Billion a MONTH!!

[Justice Is Comin]

16. Tell him to turn off Rush and turn on Randi.

He needs an education far too extensive to cover in just a few words.

[PennyK]

20. He DOESN'T listen to right wing radio

as far as I know....and I know he doesn't think Bush is a good president. It's possible that he's reacting to hearing me rant about politics all the time. I've heard him argue the Dem/Liberal side of things with his dad many times (dad is Economics professor).
My favorite thing that he says is "EVERYTHING Bush does can't be that bad!"

[Justice Is Comin]

26. Oh yes it can, is, and will continue to be

unless we can be saved by impeachment. He's certainly listening to someone who is not giving him the facts.

Maybe enlightening him about the recent polls may be a good starting point. And then taping C-Span.

[Cha]

37. No, bush is

Worse.

Intellectually lazy sound bites..

[Spinzonner]

17. How much is an honest government worth ?

And what other crimes should we stop investigating and prosecuting ?

[rucky]

18. Take half of everything...

at least it won't cost him MILLIONS.

[PennyK]

23. you're sweet!

This schmuck has nothing....you'd think the son of an economist would know how to save! When I leave, I'll have a pension and half of the sale of the house. Good thing I'm not into jewelry and furs!

[mopaul]

19. air force one

think of the billions that could be saved with conference calls, emails, faxes, etc. and all the damn photo ops and speeches, how much does air force one cost per year?

[BJW]

22. Sounds like hubbie doesn't get what the investigation is about

probably only been hearing bits and pieces. Before getting into it with him some more, I'd like to encourage you to work on a brief synopsis of why it's important, what it's about, and what it means--both in detail and in broad picture terms.

Here's some broad brush themes to get you started: At it's core this investigation is about truth, justice, the American way, respect for law, accountability, national security, corruption at high levels, incompetence and media manipulation.

Nuff said.

[jazzjunkysue]

24. Do yourself a favor and just get out of the marriage. Let it go. This is

so small, it's not worth it.

You won't be free of your marriage as long as you have anything to prove to your ex.

[DS1]

25. HAHAHAH!!! 80 MILLION DOLLARS for Ken fucking Starr

and those 80 Million Dollars ALSO crippled the Clinton admin because every fucking thing he did against Osama Bin Laden made the scumbag fuckwit pukes cry Wag the Dog, constantly guiding the country to supporting the troops but not the President, because when a Democrat is in office, that's not unpatriotic!

Get it?

[Czolgosz]

27. There is only one response to the kind of nonsense your husband's spouting

PETITION FOR DIVORCE

In re: the Marriage of

_______________________________
Petitioner

and

_______________________________
Respondent
_______________________________
Docket No.

The Petitioner, _______________________________, respectfully declares the following:

1. Petitioner's Residence: Petitioner resides at ____________________________________________________________________ .

2. Respondent's Residence: Respondent resides at ____________________________________________________________________ .

3. Marriage: On ______________________, _____, in __________________ (city), __________________ (county), __________________ (state), the Petitioner and Respondent married. An official copy of the marriage license is attached to this PETITION FOR DIVORCE.

4. Jurisdiction: This Court is that of proper jurisdiction to hear this cause. The Respondent has agreed to file an Affidavit of Consent in this cause. Neither the Petitioner or Respondent has been involved in any litigation or other proceeding involving the other party in this or any other jurisdiction with respect to their marriage or any other domestic matter.

5. Grounds for No-Fault: Petitioner wishes a dissolution of marriage with Respondent based on the following grounds: He's a know nothing idiot who just can't get with the program and he has the poor sense to question the good works of Patrick Fitzgerald when he clearly doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. In other words, irreconcilable differences that have caused the irremediable breakdown of the marriage

6. Marital Settlement Agreement: Petitioner and Respondent ___________ have (copy attached) ___________ have not entered into a Marital Settlement Agreement that formalizes an allocation of their property and finances and matters relating to child custody and visitation.


NOW, THEREFORE, Petitioner requests that the court order a DECREE OF DIVORCE and such further relief as Petitioner may have requested herein.


Verification

I, ______________________________________________, affirm under penalty of perjury that I am the Petitioner in the foregoing PETITION FOR DIVORCE and that all statements in this Petition are accurate to the best of my knowledge. I have filed this Complaint in good faith and have not colluded with anyone in relation to it.

_____________________________________________ _________________
Petitioner's Signature Date


_____________________________________________
Petitioner's Address, Line 1

_____________________________________________
Petitioner's Address, Line 2


Subscribed and sworn to before me on this ____ day of __________________, 20_____.


__________________________________
Notary

[AspenRose]

28. *snark*

"5. Grounds for No-Fault: Petitioner wishes a dissolution of marriage with Respondent based on the following grounds: He's a know nothing idiot who just can't get with the program and he has the poor sense to question the good works of Patrick Fitzgerald when he clearly doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. In other words, irreconcilable differences that have caused the irremediable breakdown of the marriage."

That was funny: The situation, however, isn't. My condolences; I'm sure it is terribly disheartening and frustrating.

[Bridget Burke]

48. Does that make Patrick Fitzgerald the co-respondent?

Not funny, either.

Your hubby was good enough to marry--surely, he just needs a bit of education!

[SammyWinstonJack]

35. Ouch!

:evilgrin: and :yoiks:

[agincourt]

29. I wouldn't break up a marriage over the political situation,

But I would tell your husband they should spend millions on the investigation. You see, ruining an agents career was only a small part of it. Bush/Cheney/Rove ruined a CIA weapons of mass destruction tracking operation. Most Americans don't understand the gravity of it. The corporate media is doing what they do best show a sliver of the problem and cover up the rest for the GOP.

[KerryOn]

32. Remind him of how much the Iraq war is costing...

... both in money and in lies. It is a small price to pay for justice, in comparison.

Remind him that the CIA operative was outed in revenge, to get back at Wilson, because Wilson was exposing their lies. It's obvious.

I don't know how this administration can continue to deny that they fixed the intelligence and rushed to war. First Rove had to make a little speech, and then today the administration had to put Cheney up on the podium as well. The twisting and conniving words no longer work for the majority of the american people. Unbelievable!

It is obvious that this administration is getting very desperate. Any day now I expect an all out brawl to break out during on of the senate sessions.

I think we are in a civil war, without the guns.

[bridgit]

33. "better things" like what, tax cuts to the bfee...

:thumbsdown:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

36. Tell him TOO BAD!

[Norquist Nemesis]

38. For one thing, remind him that it could have been used elsewhere

had not this Administration been so CORRUPT! If they were on the up and up from the start, thousands (millions?) could very well have been spent "for better use"!

I know, I know...he won't listen. Conspiracy theories, partisan politics, and all of that. I have the same ummm....problems.

Ask your husband: If there were strong cirumstantial evidence that the mayor committed serious crimes, would he want him/her investigated? And if there were strong evidence that the Governor was corrupt would he want him/her investigated?

If the answer to either of these is "yes", then why not the President?

[bring_em_home_bush]

39. That doesn't sound nearly so bad as the fights I have with mine

I don't think I can continue living with a person who never reads anything, never even listens to the news, and calls me a conspiracy theorist when I talk about the WHIG and the Office of Special Plans. I offer sources, and he won't look at them. He insists he "doesn't give a fuck" because none of it concerns him personally and there's nothing he can do to change anything.

[Yupster]

40. Screw Fitzgerald

If you are close to breaking up with your husband, you should be talking about putting your marriage right, not some political crap.

Your post reads like the Fitzgerald investigation is more important to you than your marriage.

[PennyK]

50. nice thought, but...

...this is just the most recent point of contention between us. What can I say? I married the "safe" guy, and unfortunately enough time has gone by that our differences have become more important than our common ground.
Does anybody know if men EVER grow up?

[Yupster]

51. I'm no therapist, but

your post is confusing to me.

You say you married the safe guy, and then you wonder if men ever grow up.

To the answer to the question, "do people ever change," the answer is not too much really. Generally a person is pretty much the same person his/her whole life. They evolve and mellow, but they don't really change.

Normally though when a woman complains about hubby refusing to grow up like you have in my experience, it's usually that they married not the "safe guy," but the "exciting edgy guy." I've had some of my friends tell me that their husbands' won't grow up and keep acting irresponsibly even now that they have two kids. Of course that edginess and unpredictability was one of the things that endeared them to that person in the first place, but then after they have kids the guy is expected to change what he's always been. I've had two of the same conversations with women where I asked them why they married a guy who was so irresponsible, and it was the same each time. "He was really fun," "it was exciting."

I've never heard anyone who married the "safe guy" complain that he won't grow up. Usually the complaint is the opposite. "I married the safe guy and boy is he ever boring." Of course that was probably one of the things that attracted the woman to the guy in the first place, that he was safe and predictable. But now it's boring.

Usually the complaint about the safe guy is not that he won't grow up, but he won't act young.

Anyway best of luck to you and your husband. I certainly wish you both the best.

[LSK]

41. probably not even the same cost as 1 fighter jet n/t

[LeftHander]

43. Tell him to eat some more paint chips...

lol

The Iraq War costs millions per minute...

[Swamp Rat]

44. .

:hug:

After the divorce, go to Paris! Have fun! :D

[mondo joe]

45. Ask him how much Bush's war has cost us. And ask him what it would

have cost for Bush to simply ask his staff who outted Plame and then turned them over - that would have saved all the expense of the investigation..

[Walt Starr]

49. The $723,000 spent on the Plame investigation would cover approximately

45 seconds of the Iraq War costs.