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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:58 PM Original message |
If mankind doesn't slow down population growth. Isn't disease our only hope |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's positively... |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Malthus was an optimist! |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. Stavation and exposure are more likely... nt |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Don't underplay violence. There is desperate hunger before starvation |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. We don't have to be nearly as destructively parasitic as we are. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. True. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. What cultures are living sustainably? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. The ones that aren't ours. :) Here's a few that begin with "A": |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Thanks for the link! |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. It's a sad state of affairs, isn't it? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. The US uses about 25% of the world's energy |
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Jamison (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think it could be disease too. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. The black death in Europe and the near-East set back population |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. global thermonuclear war |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well it's impossible to say what the future holds |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. We need to stop increasing the food supply. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Exactly what are you saying here? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 09:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
95. I'm saying it's no kindness to guarantee that there will be |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 06:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
88. Yeah, those pesky "3rd world" folks are quite the eaters, aren't they? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think moving people to other planets |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. I dunno. Although the Star Trek idea may become plausible, |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. As we continue fucking up the perfectly good planet we already have... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Agreed! |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
78. not to mention the tremendous start-up costs: it's not like |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 03:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
87. It's not so far in the future. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 09:07 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. "We don't have the money" means "It's impossible" |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. War and Famine work well, too! |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
13. Mankind, as an organism, is not sentient. |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. good point |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
14. No, technology is our hope |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. faith in technology is misguided |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. well, I can't disagree with you enough |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. That's a false dilemma. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. The dilemma was as stated |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. It's a false dilemma. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I'll give you a false dilemma and raise you a falser dilemma-er... uhm... |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. the choice is not "destruction or technology" but rather |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I think the real question is why we don't see technology as natural |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Yes, technology IS natural. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. absolutely, so a conscious and intelligent application of technology is it |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. technology is not a neutral force |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. It is a neutral force |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
97. You are sadly mistaken, I have heard people say this repeatedly |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. I don't think so. Changed minds and vision are more important. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Which is what I intended to say |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #56 |
98. If all you have is a hammer then everything begins to look like a nail |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. "used correctly" |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. And the choice is? |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. all of the above |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. I'm looking. |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. What has it gotten us |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
79. but that's a lot like driving at 60 mph into a red light in the hopes |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Why is making the choice to drive in the first place the same as speeding? |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 01:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
84. Technology is just a hammer. |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. As Dr. Bartlett puts in in "Arithmetic, Population, and Energy"... |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. Colonize the universe |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Not a workable solution in itself, unfortunately |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
58. How the hell do you think we got here? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. Too late: they beat you to it. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Those statistics disprove Malthus |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. but the whole world can't live a middle class lifestyle |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. We can change our ideas of what middle class is |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #50 |
99. true |
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the_spectator (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
68. Only problem here is that developed nations use up all the natural |
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insane_cratic_gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. I thought fundies |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Fundies don't want US to have more babies. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
22. Wow, where have I heard that before? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
25. Resource consumption is a big part of the problem, too. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
32. Daniel Quinn - Ishmael |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. The Mayans didn't live sustainably |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. That was the point of the quote, if you read it carefully |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Was it by choice |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. If our culture finds a new vision, will it be by choice or necessity? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. It wasn't a drought |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. It's definitely debatable. |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. What about a choice made by necessity? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You read that wrong. The Mayans abandoned their toilsome |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. I have read absolutely nothing |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Even if it was by necessity |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
103. Discovery supports view Maya civilization "collapsed by endemic warfare" |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. This isn't conclusive |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
40. We just get rid of the undesireables |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Seldom how it works |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 06:38 AM Response to Reply #40 |
89. "We just get rid of the undesireables" (Sic) |
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mb7588a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
43. Famine will be the more likely culprate... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
71. War will come before mass famine |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
65. you should read Oryx and Crake |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
72. We could substain much larger populations w/ proper planning |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 07:59 AM Response to Reply #72 |
92. But why would we want to? |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
73. lower fertility rates are way better than disease, for decreasing pop |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
74. No - trade is. So that people everywhere have a chance to save over |
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Conan_The_Barbarian (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
76. A forest fire |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 06:42 AM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Friedrich Nietzsche, call your office... |
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dcfirefighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
80. NO! a change in economic practices is a hope. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
83. In all likelihood, it's already probably too late |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 06:46 AM Response to Reply #83 |
91. The word is "famine," not "feminine".... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I don't see the "relish". |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Yeah, but 'feminine'? What's up with that? Freudian? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Got me. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #91 |
102. Yes, I am contemplating it with relish |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
85. and in this corner, the fundie special: 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
86. Make heterosexuality socially unacceptable. |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
101. World population growth has slowed quite a bit. I'm not worried. |
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