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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:49 AM Original message |
I think outsourcing is a red herring. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. Northwest Airlines to outsource thousands of flight attendant jobs |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. It's terrible, I know, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Treaties |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. In this instance, they could insist the foreign nationals... |
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expatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. and this is a great example of where it is a matter of policy, not |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. They are squeezing the US worker at both ends |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. The problem is not outsourcing as you pointed out |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. It is complicated. But all those industrial jobs - they all produced |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. There is nothing inevitable |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 07:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. No but do you seriously think we have a future if people continue to |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. You've got the wrong end of the stick |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 01:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That is why we have to make regulations across the board. Trade does |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 03:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Firstly, regulation doesn't work |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 03:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Regulations are simply laws. That is all they are. Are you saying "rule |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 09:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. What I am saying is not so difficult to understand |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. You say they do not work. They work if they are enforced. If campaign |
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julianer (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 06:37 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Yes, we are powerless |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. I'll tell you the corporations have taken over. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Those Third World countries would be much better off in trading blocs |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 05:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I agree with much of what you say. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Thanks for this. It's very interesting. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
8. I completely agree with you |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. ROFLMAO |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Well, I put it up front for a reason. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. I won't flay you alive because I "know a lot more about politics..." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. He \she will once the salary goes down to 50 cents |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. S/he lives in Shanghai according to the profile |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Did not check it |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. She. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. You're taking that quote out of context. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. You're right... |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 03:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I agree with almost everything you've said. |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 07:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. What Sapphocrat said. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
21. Due to outsourcing industry, this nation is screwed if there |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 07:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. What they have gotten rid of is "civil goods". Not the nanotechnology, |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
23. The government could prohibit corporations |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 10:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Seeing as how 95% of the middle class will live outside the USA |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 08:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Is that an argument in support of allowing corporations to exploit |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. no - I am saying that if we do not trade and open up our markets to |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. It's not about not trading - it's about not exploiting people. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 06:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. You assume everyone in a trading relationship is being exploited. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-05 06:11 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I assume nothing - i am informed. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Now how did Japan industrialize? They had access to the USA market |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
42. The other bogus argument they use is that they're doing it for the good of |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Why do all less developed nation's economists and thinkers back |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 02:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. They want advantages for their exports, but unfortunately, that tends to |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 06:14 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It is the protected industries of the West that should come down. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I wouldn't count Africa out in the long term |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 11:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Everybody except the elites get cut out of the discussion |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. They don't |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 06:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I'm not for strict IMF following. And I think that yes - countries need to |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-05 06:30 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Which is why big corporation like to do business in those nations |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-18-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. The Clintons & other third wayers are big fans of De Soto. Microbanking |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
24. very broadly -- 2 things. |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
26. Outsourcing is as bad for the American worker as illegals are |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 09:41 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Are illegals bad for the American worker or are the... |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 09:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Both |
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dcfirefighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
38. YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
65. I think the situation isn't as narrow or cozy as you make it out to be. |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
39. We could close the loophole |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. We could use a carrot and a stick approach |
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mnmoderatedem (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
40. It's not just factory jobs |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
46. I'd like to add that most jobs are lost because |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
49. I do have a suggestion about stores like Wal-Mart. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
50. No, outsourcing is VERY real... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
55. Such Fatalism is the result of corporate brainwashing |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
57. Yes, the government can do something about it! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
61. There Are Things That Can Be Done |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
64. Here's a thought, or many: |
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