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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:18 PM
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Ahnolds position on chopping down 1 to 3 thousand year old Giant Sequoias?
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 10:11 PM by NNN0LHI
Does anyone know? Is he for this or against this? Anybody from California know? Thanks in advance if anyone does.

Don

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14442101.htm

Judge blocks California Sequoia logging project
15 Nov 2005 01:01:05 GMT

Source: Reuters

SAN FRANCISCO, Nov 14 (Reuters) - A federal judge temporarily barred a logging project on Monday that would have included a small section of California's Giant Sequoia National Monument.

The plan in question would thin trees across 1,322 acres (535 hectares), of which under a quarter are within the Giant Sequoia National Monument, in an effort to protect a small local community against forest fires, said Matt Mathes, a spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service in California.

The Monument spans 328,000 acres (132,700 hectares) that are home to two-thirds of all sequoia trees in the world.

Several environmental groups sued to block the project, known as the "Ice Timber Sale", one of 11 grandfathered into a Clinton administration proclamation banning logging there starting in 2000.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:21 PM
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1. I don't know. I am in TX but they better leave the forests and
parks alone. Is this more bullshit from Chumpy's destroying the National Parks?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:23 PM
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4. I think there is more info at the bottom of the article about that
Yea I never seen a Giant Sequoia. Maybe I will maybe I won't but I sure want the option to be able to some day if I can.

Don
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:26 PM
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7. they are quite stunning.
my favorite things in all of california.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:43 PM
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15. Just the photos of them I have seen are stunning
I bet actually seeing them would take my breath away.

don
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:58 PM
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16. even Muir woods just outside san francisco is insane. theres a ring of
huge trees w/ a bit of a clearing you can stand in the middle of and it is just majestic. all the trunks look like they're converging. i've seen few things in my life so inspiring as that and big sur.
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:22 PM
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2. JESUS F***ing Christ! Not another America hating activist judge
:sarcasm:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:26 PM
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6. You have my favorite pup as your avatar. I saw him on a TeeV show
the other day but I can't remember the channel.
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:42 PM
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13. Yeah, That's Sam "The World's Ugliest Dog"
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 09:47 PM by SofaKingLiberal
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:23 PM
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3. They Will Destroy Everything for Greed
These people have no respect for life. Their simplistically self-centered existence truly exhibits the symptoms of a cancer. They take and take, yet never give anything back in comparison if at all.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:25 PM
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5. jeez. have these people never heard of clearing undergrowth to
curb the fire issue? it ain't the trees that are the problem! It's the little bushes and dry debris! dipshits.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:33 PM
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8. But you can't make lots of money clearing undergrowth.
'sides if they don't cut down the big trees now, someone else might later and then they won't get any money. See the problem?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:33 PM
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9. This isn't about fire prevention. It's about raping public land.
And turning it to private use. That's the REAL story behind ANWR. It sets a precedent. If they can take the most pristine national park area and drill in it, they can do anything, anywhere.

If you want to learn more about these trees and the story behind them, check out the Sierra Club's actions regarding this.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:41 PM
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12. that's what I mean...if it were about fire prevention, as they spout, then
the solution would be different. It's so painfully obvious this is about money.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:07 PM
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29. It is bullshit
How many fires have there been in the long, long lifespan of these trees? And yet, these trees have survived, because their thick old trunks are hard to burn, and their most combustible parts are high above the ground level.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:36 PM
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10. Don't tell me.... to be accomplished using his bare hands, no? nt.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:37 PM
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11. I've planted and sold over 300 Sequoias here in Wash, State.
I can't think of a reason to cut one down, as a young tree (under 80 yrs old ) there is no marketable lumber or wood, not even good firewood. I can't think of the destruction involved to cut Old growth Sequoias and I logged in the early 70's in Alaska and Washington.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:23 PM
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27. I donna know!
ReyGun sold alot to Japan, whichhad ships parked in the ocena and processed them directly, I don't know if they were on public land, but still.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:43 PM
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14. I dunno but why hasn't arnold been excummunicated yet?
I mean he is on the side of social issues as john kerry was.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:01 PM
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17. I don't know about Arnold
but I remember Ronald Reagan saying, when he was governor of California, "If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all." Bah......
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:05 PM
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18. My favorite Reagan quote
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:07 PM
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19. I don't know either, but I do have the honor of presenting you...
with this week's Appy - awarded to that poster who best exemplifies the generous and tireless American spirit that never ceases to find new homes for Usueless Apostrophe Esses!

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:13 PM
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23. What you talking about?
:shrug:
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:19 PM
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25. Hey, I'm sorry, especially as I notice that
Edited on Mon Nov-14-05 10:21 PM by the_spectator
you gave a nice response just recently to one of my posts in an Iraq thread. But it's the "sequoia's" in your original post's headline.
It's like this: one apple, two apples; one oak, two oaks; one sequoia, two sequoias. There's no need for an apostrophe s there!

I wonder if you, like many people, somehow have the idea that when writing something especially important, like a post's headline, or a physical sign or something, sticking apostrophes in there somehow gussies it up appropriately in relation to the writing's importance.

Forgive this bee in my bonnet! Thanks!
------
On Edit: Dagnabit! You fixed it! What kind of a dirty trick is that? :crazy:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:23 PM
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26. Don't be sorry. I mess with people all the dang time too
I never mean nothing by it. I didn't think you did either. Take care and see you later.

Which Iraqi thread buy the way?

Don
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:26 PM
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28. Take care to you too!
And good night.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:07 PM
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20. Arnold is hiding out in China
He ran away from California crying.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:12 PM
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22. It's Asia who is eating up our forests. Connect the dots. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:11 PM
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21. Old growth forests do not threaten communities.
It's the scrub forest from overlogging that threatens communities. This is what should be thinned. Not only that most old trees survive forest fires. It also acts as a cleansing thing for them that rids them of destructive beetles and other rotting mechanisms that enable them to reinvigorate with new growth.

That whole thinning forests because they are a threat to settled communities was a gift to the logging companies. There is no way they are going to go cut the stuff that is a threat. It's no good to them. It's the logs from the three hundred year Sequoias that will reap them the profits.

This makes me sick.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:14 PM
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24. Leave Our Sequoia's alone
:grr:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:10 AM
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30. I hope they come to some kind of agreement and that
the trees can be spared.
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