The words is LIE . . . who is going to use it?

[mtnester]

not:

be untruthful, deceive, dissemble, dissimulate, distort, equivocate, exaggerate, fabricate, fake, falsify, fudge, invent, misguide, misinform, mislead, misrepresent, misspeak, misstate, overdraw, prevaricate, obfuscate, overestimate, over embellish, overstate, stretch, misreport, miscalculate, etc. etc. etc.

LIE - as in TOLD LIES, as LIARS, as in LYING

I am waiting for ONE single solid elected, public speaking, well known Dem to use the words, in public, with conviction, and back it up.

Just one. Will not be holding my breath, for fear of suffocation.




(Yes, thank you Thesaurus for the words I borrowed when looking up synonyms for lie and obfuscate)

[thereismore]

1. Right on. I was thinking that too. Even KO says "misrepresent" nt

[mtnester]

2. I mean, how can we get others to see the truth of the thing if we cannot

publicly do it ourselves as a party?

People understand the word Lie and Liar....simple, to the point.

[kweerwolf]

3. Lie?

Oh ... you mean like this:

[mtnester]

4. Yes, dispensing as fast as it can!

[GreenArrow]

5. how about this?

BORGER: So I take it the answer is yes that the president knowingly lied to the American people?

KUCINICH: The president lied to the American people.

http://www.wisconsindebate.com/transcript.asp

No after the fact non-apology apologies here, no "mistakes" or being "misled".

You can credit Sharpton with saying the same thing.

[mopaul]

6. as soon as they realize they've been a 'fool', then they can use the word

my favorite is misled.

[Sapphire Blue]

7. KUCINICH: The president lied to the American people; SHARPTON: ... he lied

Excerpt from the Wisconsin Presidential Debate, February 15, 2004...

BORGER: This is to Congressman Kucinich.

President Bush last week said that yes, he had expected to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, that he was using the same intelligence that had been provided to President Clinton, also the same intelligence that had been used by the heads of other nations.

Do you believe that the president knowingly lied to the American people? And if so, why would he do that?

KUCINICH: I think that this administration knew full well that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, with al Qaeda's role in 9/11, with the anthrax attack on this country, that Iraq had neither the capability nor the intention of attacking the United States, that Iraq was not trying to get uranium from Niger and that, in fact, Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction.

This is the singular issue upon which this election will turn. And I, as the only one up here who voted against the war and voted against the Patriot Act, as the ranking Democrat on a subcommittee that has jurisdiction over national security, an investigative subcommittee, I never saw any evidence that suggested that there was a reason for this country to go to war against Iraq.

It was wrong to go to in; it's wrong to stay in; it is time that we start talking about bringing our troops home, bringing those guardsmen, guardswomen, those reservists back home. Stop this war; get out of Iraq.

BORGER: So I take it the answer is yes that the president knowingly lied to the American people?

KUCINICH: The president lied to the American people.

<snip>

HOLT: I'd actually like to let Reverend Sharpton follow up on that very question. Do you think that the president knowingly lied, and if so, why?

SHARPTON: Well, first of all, I think that if he didn't know he was lying and was lying, that's even worse.

(LAUGHTER)

Clearly, he lied. Now if he is an unconscious liar, and doesn't realize when he's lying, then we're really in trouble.

(LAUGHTER)

Because, absolutely, it was a lie. They said they knew the weapons were there. He had members of the administration say they knew where the weapons were. So we're not just talking about something passing here. We're talking about 500 lives. We're talking about billions of dollars.

So I hope he knew he was lying, because if he didn't, and just went in some kind of crazy, psychological breakdown, then we are really in trouble.

Clearly, you know, I'm a minister. Why do people lie? Because they're liars. He lied in Florida; he's lied several times. I believe he lied in Iraq.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

HOLT: And Reverend, you'll recognize, obviously, calling someone a liar is a very serious charge. So it does lead to that question...

SHARPTON: I think he lied.

HOLT: So it does lead to the question: Why would he lie?

SHARPTON: Why do people lie? I mean, if in my judgment...

HOLT: I mean, knowing he would be in the position that you're putting him in now, why would he...

SHARPTON: Well, first of all, Lester, let us look at the facts. The facts are that what they presented to the United Nations, what they presented to the world was not so. You can only assume that they had to know if they said that they knew where the weapons were, that they knew they didn't know where they were.

And now to come back and tell us that Saddam Hussein is a cruel, despicable person, which we all agree, but we believed him when he told us he had them. Can you imagine me telling you that I believe somebody that you should never believe, and I brought 500 people to their deaths believing in a man that was as despicable as Hussein, and this is who we're going to have over the troops' lives in this country?

I think that this is absolutely outrageous. Why he lied? I think we should give him the rest of his retirement to figure that out and explain to us.

http://www.wisconsindebate.com/transcript.asp

Video: http://www.wisconsindebate.com/debatearchive.asp

[eridani]

8. Damn! Those were some times!

Thanks for the memories.